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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2017, 12:08:56 PM »
The ethical guidelines and standards of the AG's office demanded he recuse himself.
He followed the existing ethics standards and followed the law.


Being loyal to the POTUS isn't the highest priority of the AG.
Every GOV official, including the POTUS takes an oath to uphold and support the CONSTITUTION.

What specific "ethical guidelines and standards of the AG's office" are you talking about?  Have you read them? 

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2017, 12:18:05 PM »
Spot on.

This is from strawman's link. He recused himself for this?

"He said that he didn't remember a lot of the meeting but that "I do remember saying I had gone to Russia with a church group in 1991."

"So we talked a little bit about terrorism, as I recall. Somehow the subject of the Ukraine came up. I had the Ukrainian ambassador in my office the day before to listen to him," he said. Apparently paraphrasing Kislyak, Sessions added, "Russia had done nothing that was wrong in any area and everybody else was wrong with regard to the Ukraine. It got to be a little bit of a testy conversation at that point."

The DOJ official said Wednesday that during the 2016 campaign, ambassadors made "superficial comments" about the election but it wasn't the "substance of their discussion.""

Trumps administration is being investigated for possible collusion with the Russians

Sessions was part of Trumps campaign and had previously undisclosed meetings with representatives of Russia.

It makes perfect sense that Sessions can't oversee an investigation which might involve investigating himself.

Common procedure. 

Look at the various times certain members of SCOTUS have recused themselves from decisions when they have had prior involvement or might have ties

This is common practice for a country with an actual rule of law

https://www.law360.com/articles/816125/why-supreme-court-justices-recuse-themselves

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2017, 12:46:40 PM »
Bring in Cruz. The guy is a pit bull.

Just as tough on immigration and loves nothing more than a good alley fight with the left.

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2017, 01:03:10 PM »
I agree he shouldn't have recused himself, but I don't think he deserves to be disrespected like this.  This is poor leadership by Trump.   

 Truth be told, I don't like it either. Then again, we don't know what's going on behind the scenes that led to this.

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2017, 01:04:45 PM »
Bring in Cruz. The guy is a pit bull.

Just as tough on immigration and loves nothing more than a good alley fight with the left.

We all discussed this right after the election. My guy was Rudy. I wouldn't have had a problem with Cruz, either. Sessions wasn't even on my radar.

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2017, 01:23:20 PM »
Truth be told, I don't like it either. Then again, we don't know what's going on behind the scenes that led to this.

True.  And I get why Trump is upset, given how the investigation has gone sideways with the special counsel.  Still, we're talking about one of his earliest and most loyal supporters, who backed him when it wasn't cool to do so, and went through a brutal confirmation process.  All of that talk about loyalty Trump made when standing behind Lewandowski apparently doesn't apply to Sessions. 

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2017, 01:28:00 PM »
We all discussed this right after the election. My guy was Rudy. I wouldn't have had a problem with Cruz, either. Sessions wasn't even on my radar.

Session and Bannon have close ties and common world view

apparently Bannon wanted Session to run for POTUS


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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2017, 01:28:34 PM »
We all discussed this right after the election. My guy was Rudy. I wouldn't have had a problem with Cruz, either. Sessions wasn't even on my radar.

Rudy said that Sessions did the right thing in recusing himself


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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2017, 01:47:08 PM »

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2017, 02:34:27 PM »
The problem is that Trump is so impulsive and petty and obssessed over every little squabble he is doing himself far more harm than good w all this drama.

personally I'm tired of his immaturity and BS.  I want to see focus on getting rid of obamacare, tax reform, slashing agencies and welfare, etc.

They are doing a good job deporting all the parasites and should stay focused on whats important. 

Good post, I agree.

You've hit on the BIG issue here.
Trump supporters should be pissed that he's let the Russia thing stall his big legislative plans.
THIS current reality is what my concerns were and why I couldn't vote for Trump.

It's one thing to talk a good game and another thing to actually do it in the game.

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2017, 03:54:43 PM »
Not cool.

Trump leaves Sessions dangling, says 'time will tell' on AG's fate
By Barnini Chakraborty
Published July 25, 2017
Fox News

President Trump left the fate of Attorney General Jeff Sessions up in the air during a press conference Tuesday afternoon, saying he's "disappointed" with his Cabinet member while stopping short of saying whether he'll fire the country's top cop.

“We will see what happens,” Trump said in the White House Rose Garden. “Time will tell.”

The president has publicly vented his frustration at Sessions for recusing himself from the Russia investigation. 

“He should not have recused himself almost immediately after he took office, and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me prior to taking office, and I would have, quite simply, picked somebody else,” Trump said. “So I think that’s a bad thing, not for the president but for the presidency.”

Trump also slammed Sessions for not being tough enough on leaks from intelligence agencies.

“These are intelligence agencies,” Trump said. “We cannot have that. I told you before that I am very disappointed with the attorney general but we will see what happens.”

Trump tore into the attorney general earlier Tuesday in a series of tweets where he called the former Alabama senator “VERY weak” on Hillary Clinton’s supposed “crimes.”

White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders would not confirm rumors that the president was considering firing Sessions but did not rule it out either.

She told “Fox & Friends” that she hasn’t been part “of any conversations discussing any potential replacements,” but made clear that Trump is “frustrated and disappointed” in the attorney general.

“That frustration certainly hasn’t gone away, and I don’t think it will,” Sanders said.

New White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci also defended the president's public comments on Sessions, saying Trump "wants his Cabinet secretaries to have his back."

Despite the public digs from the White House, Sessions said last week that he plans to stay on as attorney general “as long as that is appropriate.”

Trump’s latest dig at Sessions came during a joint press conference he held with Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri.

Trump vowed U.S. humanitarian support for Syrian refugees as close to their homeland as possible – which means Lebanon. Syrian refugees make up about 25 percent of Lebanon’s population. Hariri was expected to seek additional U.S. aid to cope with the refugee influx though details were not disclosed Tuesday.

“America is proud to stand with those that have the courage to stand up to terrorism and take responsibility for affairs in their own region,” Trump said.

Trump also commented on the Senate vote that opened up debate on repealing and replacing ObamaCare.

“This is a tough vote to get,” Trump said. “Now we’re all going to sit together and we’re going to try to come up with something that’s really spectacular. We have a lot of options and a lot of great options. The Republican Senate… really went out there.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/25/trump-leaves-sessions-dangling-says-time-will-tell-on-ags-fate.html

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2017, 04:12:06 PM »
Trump seems unaware of the words coming out of his mouth

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“He should not have recused himself almost immediately after he took office, and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me prior to taking office, and I would have, quite simply, picked somebody else,” Trump said. “So I think that’s a bad thing, not for the president but for the presidency.”

his entire beef with Session is about his recusal on the Russian investigation

That investigation has NOTHING to do with "the presidency" and EVERYTHING to do with "the president"


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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2017, 04:20:39 PM »
Trump seems unaware of the words coming out of his mouth

his entire beef with Session is about his recusal on the Russian investigation

That investigation has NOTHING to do with "the presidency" and EVERYTHING to do with "the president"



I understand that you have a pathological hatred for Trump but this has everything to do with the presidency. Every day he has to defend some new allegation with absolutely nothing behind it. Even producers on CNN said on camera that this was bullshit.

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2017, 04:26:42 PM »
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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2017, 04:32:49 PM »
I understand that you have a pathological hatred for Trump but this has everything to do with the presidency. Every day he has to defend some new allegation with absolutely nothing behind it. Even producers on CNN said on camera that this was bullshit.

Any chance you'll ever actually respond to the content of one my posts?

Is Session's recusal bad for the office of the president?
Is the office the one being investigated or is it the person who is occupying the office who is being investigated?


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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2017, 04:42:32 PM »
Any chance you'll ever actually respond to the content of one my posts?

Is Session's recusal bad for the office of the president?
Is the office the one being investigated or is it the person who is occupying the office who is being investigated?



Why would I try to have a rational discussion with you? You sound like it's stilll November 10.

To answer your question, yes it is bad for the office of the president. Sessions recusing himself lends credence to the investigation and makes it look like he and Trump did something wrong when they didn't. Sessions talked to some ambassador. Big fucking deal.

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2017, 04:46:37 PM »
Why would I try to have a rational discussion with you? You sound like it's stilll November 10.

To answer your question, yes it is bad for the office of the president. Sessions recusing himself lends credence to the investigation and makes it look like he and Trump did something wrong when they didn't. Sessions talked to some ambassador. Big fucking deal.

most likely because you're incapable of doing so


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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2017, 05:34:52 PM »
most likely because you're incapable of doing so



lmao...lolololololololol ololol this coming from someone who still thinks Killary is completely innocent.

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2017, 08:40:40 PM »
What specific "ethical guidelines and standards of the AG's office" are you talking about?  Have you read them? 

how about Federal Code

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/528

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28 U.S. Code § 528 - Disqualification of officers and employees of the Department of Justice
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The Attorney General shall promulgate rules and regulations which require the disqualification of any officer or employee of the Department of Justice, including a United States attorney or a member of such attorney’s staff, from participation in a particular investigation or prosecution if such participation may result in a personal, financial, or political conflict of interest, or the appearance thereof. Such rules and regulations may provide that a willful violation of any provision thereof shall result in removal from office.
(Added Pub. L. 95–521, title VI, § 603(a), Oct. 26, 1978, 92 Stat. 1874.)

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2017, 08:54:49 PM »
how about Federal Code

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/528


Quit trying to be an attorney you dolt. You're making an ass of yourself.

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2017, 09:15:33 PM »
Quit trying to be an attorney you dolt. You're making an ass of yourself.

never claimed to be an attorney

trump defenders keep saying they don't understand why Sessions recused himself

there are rules in place for this kind of situation (conflict of interest)

by rules of course I means laws

Sessions is obviously aware of this

waiting for you to catch up

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2017, 09:25:11 PM »
never claimed to be an attorney

trump defenders keep saying they don't understand why Sessions recused himself

there are rules in place for this kind of situation (conflict of interest)

by rules of course I means laws

Sessions is obviously aware of this

waiting for you to catch up

There are lots of rules in place and left ignored almost all of them including Muellers conflict of interest with Comey and the Clinton doners on his staff.

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2017, 09:30:30 PM »
There are lots of rules in place and left ignored almost all of them including Muellers conflict of interest with Comey and the Clinton doners on his staff.

please elaborate on Mueller and Comey conflict of interest
just give me the basic facts

I assume we both now agree on Sessions

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2017, 09:39:37 PM »
please elaborate on Mueller and Comey conflict of interest
just give me the basic facts

I assume we both now agree on Sessions


I meant Mueller Trump conflict of interest. I don't need to elaborate on that. It's obvious

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Re: Sessions on his way out?
« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2017, 09:40:28 PM »
I meant Mueller Trump conflict of interest

ok

then elaborate on that