ufc lightweight division is the only division worth watching

[ratherbebig]

conor champ
#1 khabib
#2 tony ferguson
#3 eddie alvarez
#6 nate diaz
#7 kevin lee

there's a number of interesting fights you can make there.

max holloway should move up from featherweight and try to take that belt too, he could beat conor in a rematch.

flyweight is dead nobody can touch demetrious.

bantam can put together one or two more fights with garbrandt and dillashaw, that's it.

featherweight holloway just beat jose aldo. frankie and lamas cant have many more fights in them.

welterweight - tyron woodley beat no 1 maia, beat no 2 thompson twice, knocked out no 3 lawler. he got beat by rory who is now in bellator. condit is retired.

middleweight you got a couple of fights, thats it. bisping is the champ, well that wont last long. whittaker no 1 contender, silva is retiring so is belfort.
may be able to put a few fights together with weidman, romero, souza...

light heavyweight

whos gonna beat jones? dc wont fight him again and probably retire soon, shogun should retire, jimi manuwa just got knocked out, glover just got knocked out.

heavy weight overeem cant take a shot anymore, cain is always injured, jds cant take a shot, mark hunt is 60 years old, arlowski is 55, travis brown got 4 losses in a row...

damn the ufc is in a bad place.

[The Wizard of Truth]

You're right, ufc is fucked. After Cormier v Jones last weekend theres zero interesting fights to make outside of lightweight. Regarding Holloway beating conor in a rematch, not a chance. Conor is on another level. Fertittas sold up at the right time, at the height of ufc popularity with ronda, conor, and Lesnar making them millions and just before USADA testing came in. Now all the cash cows are gone the new owners are fucked. Conor will come back to fight khabib in Russia but if that can't be arranged, and khabib the dirty Muslim bastard will only fight at a certain time of year, he's never coming back.

[ratherbebig]

they keep talking about gsp.

i never got his popularity, i wonder if he still can pull the numbers i dont see how. he had a few fights he nearly lost at the end and its been a few years since.

i wonder how they could let rory mcdonald go, someone who beat BOTH woodley and maia. they couldve promoted a rematch with woodley trying to avenge his loss, now he's in bellator 

[Thin Lizzy]

It also has a very low rent look to it these days. In the past, you had articulate guys like Rich Franklin and Randy Couture . Today you have all these tattooed freaks who look like they'd be in jail if they weren't fighting.

[The Wizard of Truth]

they keep talking about gsp.

i never got his popularity, i wonder if he still can pull the numbers i dont see how. he had a few fights he nearly lost at the end and its been a few years since.

i wonder how they could let rory mcdonald go, someone who beat BOTH woodley and maia. they couldve promoted a rematch with woodley trying to avenge his loss, now he's in bellator  

True, rory was a huge draw in Canada as is gsp, where mma is huge. Personally gsp isn't an exciting fighter but it's official now he's fighting bisping for the MW belt at ufc 217 in Madison Square garden.

[Rimstinger]

Roy Nelson was a serious UFC heavy weight contender, now gone to Bellator.

In the past the light heavy and heavy div had nothing but legends in it.

I grew up watching heavy weight boxing in the 80s and 90s, I don't enjoy watching light and feather UFC, sub 5ft8 men who weigh less than my Labrador Lucy just doesn't do it for me.

[The Wizard of Truth]

Roy Nelson was a serious UFC heavy weight contender, now gone to Bellator.

In the past the light heavy and heavy div had nothing but legends in it.

I grew up watching heavy weight boxing in the 80s and 90s, I don't enjoy watching light and feather UFC, sub 5ft8 men who weigh less than my Labrador Lucy just doesn't do it for me.

Roy Nelson hasn't won a fight in years. He was never any good. A fat unskilled fuck with an overhand right.

[ratherbebig]

roy nelson just need to fight in the right environment

biker bar or country bar, winner gets a harley that kinda thing

[The Wizard of Truth]

roy nelson just need to fight in the right environment

biker bar or country bar, winner gets a harley that kinda thing

Nelson v Tank Abbot for fat bearded biker slugger champ

[Kwon]

It's a good division for sure, for both Zane-believers and those that don't get it.



Two proponents of inZane theories.

[Royalty]

conor champ
#1 khabib
#2 tony ferguson
#3 eddie alvarez
#6 nate diaz
#7 kevin lee

there's a number of interesting fights you can make there.

max holloway should move up from featherweight and try to take that belt too, he could beat conor in a rematch.

flyweight is dead nobody can touch demetrious.

bantam can put together one or two more fights with garbrandt and dillashaw, that's it.

featherweight holloway just beat jose aldo. frankie and lamas cant have many more fights in them.

welterweight - tyron woodley beat no 1 maia, beat no 2 thompson twice, knocked out no 3 lawler. he got beat by rory who is now in bellator. condit is retired.

middleweight you got a couple of fights, thats it. bisping is the champ, well that wont last long. whittaker no 1 contender, silva is retiring so is belfort.
may be able to put a few fights together with weidman, romero, souza...

light heavyweight

whos gonna beat jones? dc wont fight him again and probably retire soon, shogun should retire, jimi manuwa just got knocked out, glover just got knocked out.

heavy weight overeem cant take a shot anymore, cain is always injured, jds cant take a shot, mark hunt is 60 years old, arlowski is 55, travis brown got 4 losses in a row...

damn the ufc is in a bad place.

Jon Jones vs Brock Lesnar will make everything that you just said a total waste

[The Wizard of Truth]

Jon Jones vs Brock Lesnar will make everything that you just said a total waste

Still has no bearing on the HW division, Brock is retired, unranked and 5-3 in mma, Jones has never fought HW. But yeah, its the only fight to make money wise and WME the new owners badly need big money fights

[Thin Lizzy]

Jon Jones vs Brock Lesnar will make everything that you just said a total waste

The post does illustrate that their pay per view model is essentially dead and they're looking for a few super flights to sell buys.

[Kwon]

The post does illustrate that their pay per view model is essentially dead and they're looking for a few super flights to sell buys.

But to what destinations are the flights going?

[The Wizard of Truth]

Ufc boasting about doing 1million ppv buys on ufc 214. I really don't believe that but even so, all fighters on the main card except the fat woman cyborg fought and Volkan ozemir got 6 figure paychecks. Putting Woodley on a card surely loses it 200,000 ppv buys by way of you know it's not going to be a fight, just the very odd jab and avoidance for 25mins

[Royalty]

Still has no bearing on the HW division, Brock is retired, unranked and 5-3 in mma, Jones has never fought HW. But yeah, its the only fight to make money wise and WME the new owners badly need big money fights

Conor McGregor changed the whole landscape. People want to see big names taking risks... crossing over...


Nobody cares about seeing the same top 3 guys in each division battling it out over and over again. It's time to present some ENTERTAINING fights. Send Woodley to early retirement. That goof is boring as hell.

And yes, a lot of other guys need to retire ASAP

[Thin Lizzy]

But to what destinations are the flights going?

He without typo cast the first stone.  

[The Wizard of Truth]

Conor McGregor changed the whole landscape. People want to see big names taking risks... crossing over...


Nobody cares about seeing the same top 3 guys in each division battling it out over and over again. It's time to present some ENTERTAINING fights. Send Woodley to early retirement. That goof is boring as hell.

And yes, a lot of other guys need to retire ASAP

Also ufc is too diluted now. Get rid of the midgets, the women and the fighters who never fight outside of the prelims. Less events then though so less revenue, but also less wage expenditure

[ratherbebig]

they could sign a few bodybuilders and make a super heavy weight class

then put the smallest guy, mighty mouse, against one of the bodybuilders

[cephissus]

Surely there must be some new blood

Some fights you didn't mention:

Jones oezdemir
Jones Gustafsson 2
Khabib tony
Jj namajunas (if you like women's)
Dom and Cody or the
Any top bantamweight vs dj
Lawler Woodley 2 (woodley won't play defense)
Masvidal and gastelum could climb toward title shots soon
Romero in 3 round fight against anyone is bound to be good
Gaethje barbosa/khabib/tony
Nick vs Woodley
Ngannou vs jds will be interesting, if he kills junior it's straight to stipe
Etc.

[HockeyFightFan]

they could sign a few bodybuilders and make a super heavy weight class

then put the smallest guy, mighty mouse, against one of the bodybuilders

Darren Avey versus Alistair Overeem.

[Europe]

Surely there must be some new blood

Reebok deal + exclusive obligations + taxed sponsorship, is making lots of fighters leave/enter.

Josh Thompson who is a veteran and a top10 fighter who has been fighting since ufc 44 got paid 5000$ in reebok sponsorship, who easily could get 20k in Bellator without getting taxed from Bellator.. like Ufc did before the Reebok deal, now Reebok pays fighters dirt-poor.

[ESFitness]

Get rid of USADA and every division is fixed.


There.

[Darren Avey]

they could sign a few bodybuilders and make a super heavy weight class

then put the smallest guy, mighty mouse, against one of the bodybuilders

If they sign bodybuilders then the other guys may as well give up as no one beats a bodybuilder in a fight no matter what fight training you got.

[The Wizard of Truth]

Surely there must be some new blood

Some fights you didn't mention:

Jones ozemir... Ozemir looks great but not a huge name yet
Jones Gustafsson 2... Last big man money lhw fight
Khabib TONY... Not happening, khabib pulled out a day before the last one and if conor returns its for a huge fight with khabib in Russia where even Putin is a fan of mma
Jj namajunas (if you like women's)... Everyone likes JJ but won't pay ppv for her
Dom and Cody... Good fight, but a main event PPV???
Any top bantamweight vs dj... NOBODY wants to see this deformed black midget fight. Dana has even said he'd love to get rid of this division
Lawler Woodley 2 (woodley won't play defense).... Would you buy ppv to watch Woodley?  The most boring and dickhead champ in any division of ufc ever
Masvidal and gastelum could climb toward title shots soon.... Hahaha no
Romero in 3 round fight against anyone is bound to be good... I love Yoel but he fucked up against Whittaker, he did nothing, too tentative
Gaethje barbosa/khabib/Tony... Gaethje is coaching the next ultimate fighter v Alvarez so won't fight for nine months
Nick vs Woodley... Diaz got a further long suspension recently for failing out of comp drug test
Ngannou vs jds will be interesting, if he kills junior it's straight to stipe...JDS is a shit fighter, ngannou will beat him but how do you market stipe v anyone, he has the charisma and intelligence of a golf ball.