Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'

[Dos Equis]

Blaming Trump for the events in Charlottesville is silly.  TDS is real. 

Trump: KKK, White Supremacists 'Repugnant to Everything We Hold Dear'
Monday, 14 Aug 2017

President Donald Trump on Monday said "racism is evil" and that anyone who causes violence in its name are "criminals and thugs."

It was the president's strongest reaction yet to the violence that erupted in Charlottesville, Va., over the weekend that resulted in the death of a protester and two Virginia state troopers.

However, Trump began the hastily called press conference in Washington by first touting the success of his efforts with the economy, citing the stock market, the creation of "1 million jobs since I took office," and a 16-year low in unemployment.

Then Trump pivoted to Charlottesville, saying he had met with new FBI Director Christopher Wray and Attorney General Jeff Sessions and that they are opening a civil rights investigation into the events that led to violent clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters and, ultimately, the death of Heather Heyer, a white protester.

"Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans," Trump said at a Monday press conference.

"To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend's racist violence, you will be held fully accountable. Justice will be delivered," Trump said. "As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. It has no place in America."

Trump had been roundly criticized for not immediately responding Saturday with the same condemnation he delivered Monday.

At the heart of criticism levied against Trump over the weekend was the remark that hit at the "egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides."

Trump was more direct and forceful Monday.

"And as I have said many times before, no matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws. We all salute the same great flag and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry and violence," Trump said.

An Ohio man, James Fields, is being held without bail for driving his car into a large group of protesters that killed Heyer and wounded many more.

"Two days ago, a young American woman Heather Heyer was tragically killed. Her death fills us with grief and we send her family our thoughts, our prayers and our love," Trump said.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-Trump-The-Latest/2017/08/14/id/807542/

[TuHolmes]

Of course he didn't cause it, but his statement like this, to be honest, is two days too late.

He should have said this Saturday.

At this point, it looks like he's appeasing people, which is exactly the opposite of what his supporters want from him. Is he now a pussy or whatever negative connotation people want to put on people who are sensitive to the feelings of others?

[Straw Man]

Of course he didn't cause it, but his statement like this, to be honest, is two days too late.

He should have said this Saturday.

At this point, it looks like he's appeasing people, which is exactly the opposite of what his supporters want from him. Is he now a pussy or whatever negative connotation people want to put on people who are sensitive to the feelings of others?

exactly

his first statement is represents his genuine feelings

this statement today is clearly political damage control and just like everyone on "many sides" understood what his first statement meant they will also understand the motivation and intent of this statement

[Coach is Back!]

Of course he didn't cause it, but his statement like this, to be honest, is two days too late.

He should have said this Saturday.

At this point, it looks like he's appeasing people, which is exactly the opposite of what his supporters want from him. Is he now a pussy or whatever negative connotation people want to put on people who are sensitive to the feelings of others?

He should have left it with his first statement when it happened "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides – on many sides" the statement was clear and everyone knows it. The left are just dying to get something on this guy....anything. Everything that comes out of his mouth will be dissected and taken out of context.

The last administration thrived on crap like this and did next to nothing to try and resolve it but rather incite more protests, sometimes violent be it cop shootings that rarely resulted in the cop being in the wrong to Trump rallies. In contrast Sessions opens a Civil Rights case. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't recall Holder or Lynch doing anything remotely close

[TuHolmes]

He should have left it with his first statement when it happened "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides – on many sides" the statement was clear and everyone knows it. The left are just dying to get something on this guy....anything. Everything that comes out of his mouth will be dissected and taken out of context.

The last administration thrived on crap like this and did next to nothing to try and resolve it but rather incite more protests, sometimes violent be it cop shootings that rarely resulted in the cop being in the wrong to Trump rallies. In contrast Sessions opens a Civil Rights case. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't recall Holder or Lynch doing anything remotely close

I hate to break it to you, but only one side showed bigotry.

This is NOT a left / right issue. Some of these people are NAZIS. National Socialists... You know... LEFTISTS as you call them.

[Dos Equis]

Of course he didn't cause it, but his statement like this, to be honest, is two days too late.

He should have said this Saturday.

At this point, it looks like he's appeasing people, which is exactly the opposite of what his supporters want from him. Is he now a pussy or whatever negative connotation people want to put on people who are sensitive to the feelings of others?

Yes I agree he could have made a better statement.  Does that mean he's now a KKK sympathizer?  More of a rhetorical question, but I think people are in such a frenzy over everything the man says that they are constantly overreacting to what comes out of his mouth. 

If we strip away being PC, he's right that there is hatred on all sides, and groups like BLM have blood on their hands, but there is a time and place to talk about the hatred, violence, and intolerance of liberals, other activist groups, etc.

That said, I still think it's silly to try and insinuate that Trump is trying to identify or secretly support those knuckleheads.  He's not.     

[TuHolmes]

Yes I agree he could have made a better statement.  Does that mean he's now a KKK sympathizer?  More of a rhetorical question, but I think people are in such a frenzy over everything the man says that they are constantly overreacting to what comes out of his mouth. 

If we strip away being PC, he's right that there is hatred on all sides, and groups like BLM have blood on their hands, but there is a time and place to talk about the hatred, violence, and intolerance of liberals, other activist groups, etc.

That said, I still think it's silly to try and insinuate that Trump is trying to identify or secretly support those knuckleheads.  He's not.     

It's rhetorical of course... He's certainly not. He has nothing in common with any of them.

That said, I don't think he minds being able to count on their votes. They are certainly a portion of what put him in office, no?

Yes, there is hatred on both sides, no argument, but the KKK and Nazis do have a history and are founded (especially in the US) on the principles of hatred. That's how they drive recruitment. I don't think BLM is driving recruitment because they hate white people.

Perhaps I'm wrong though. I don't have any interest in any of their groups.

[Dos Equis]

It's rhetorical of course... He's certainly not. He has nothing in common with any of them.

That said, I don't think he minds being able to count on their votes. They are certainly a portion of what put him in office, no?

Yes, there is hatred on both sides, no argument, but the KKK and Nazis do have a history and are founded (especially in the US) on the principles of hatred. That's how they drive recruitment. I don't think BLM is driving recruitment because they hate white people.

Perhaps I'm wrong though. I don't have any interest in any of their groups.

I doubt those folks had an impact on the election.  And he said nothing while running for office that would lead them to believe he would support some antiquated racist agenda. 

To me, this is like giving the Westboro Baptist Church a national platform and then trying to brand all Christianity with the acts of a handful of idiots.   

[Las Vegas]

Yes I agree he could have made a better statement.  Does that mean he's now a KKK sympathizer?  More of a rhetorical question, but I think people are in such a frenzy over everything the man says that they are constantly overreacting to what comes out of his mouth. 

If we strip away being PC, he's right that there is hatred on all sides, and groups like BLM have blood on their hands, but there is a time and place to talk about the hatred, violence, and intolerance of liberals, other activist groups, etc.

That said, I still think it's silly to try and insinuate that Trump is trying to identify or secretly support those knuckleheads.  He's not.     

100% agree, he's had this shoved onto him unfairly.

[TuHolmes]

I doubt those folks had an impact on the election.  And he said nothing while running for office that would lead them to believe he would support some antiquated racist agenda. 

To me, this is like giving the Westboro Baptist Church a national platform and then trying to brand all Christianity with the acts of a handful of idiots.   

He didn't say anything, but he also didn't denounce them during his run. That was good enough for them it seems.

I can see what you're saying, but Christianity wasn't founded to stop the black devil, the KKK was. Christianity wasn't founded to stomp out Jewish people, or Catholics, or whomever. Nazism kind of was.

History does count.

[Las Vegas]

It's rhetorical of course... He's certainly not. He has nothing in common with any of them.

That said, I don't think he minds being able to count on their votes. They are certainly a portion of what put him in office, no?

Yes, there is hatred on both sides, no argument, but the KKK and Nazis do have a history and are founded (especially in the US) on the principles of hatred. That's how they drive recruitment. I don't think BLM is driving recruitment because they hate white people.

Perhaps I'm wrong though. I don't have any interest in any of their groups.

Show me an election from any time in our lives when any such group hasn't supported the "R" on their ballot.  IMO it's MSM once again seizing an opportunity to unfairly pin shit on Trump, just as they're pretending that the Russians only now discovered "hacking" in this election. 

It's just a matter of convenience for them.  That's it.

[Dos Equis]

He didn't say anything, but he also didn't denounce them during his run. That was good enough for them it seems.

I can see what you're saying, but Christianity wasn't founded to stop the black devil, the KKK was. Christianity wasn't founded to stomp out Jewish people, or Catholics, or whomever. Nazism kind of was.

History does count.

He actually did denounce them during his campaign.  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/2/donald-trump-campaign-rejects-support-of-repulsive/

I agree history matters.

[Dos Equis]

Show me an election from any time in our lives when any such group hasn't supported the "R" on their ballot.  IMO it's MSM once again seizing an opportunity to unfairly pin shit on Trump, just as they're pretending that the Russians only now discovered "hacking" in this election. 

It's just a matter of convenience for them.  That's it.

It's just partisan politics. 

[TuHolmes]

Show me an election from any time in our lives when any such group hasn't supported the "R" on their ballot.  IMO it's MSM once again seizing an opportunity to unfairly pin shit on Trump, just as they're pretending that the Russians only now discovered "hacking" in this election. 

It's just a matter of convenience for them.  That's it.

Romney Said something. Bush said something. Most Rs say something. It may cost them votes, but they do it because they may not be perfect, but even they have some moral standards.

Trump has no morals. He will shit on anyone (as proven by how he treats those who supported him) and everyone and use anything and everything to his advantage.

He's a charlatan who will do whatever he thinks will win. He's trash.

He actually did denounce them during his campaign.  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/2/donald-trump-campaign-rejects-support-of-repulsive/

I agree history matters.

Trump made no such statement. "His Campaign" Did.

There is zero quote from Trump in that article or anywhere else I can find that he specifically says it himself.

[Dos Equis]

Romney Said something. Bush said something. Most Rs say something. It may cost them votes, but they do it because they may not be perfect, but even they have some moral standards.

Trump has no morals. He will shit on anyone (as proven by how he treats those who supported him) and everyone and use anything and everything to his advantage.

He's a charlatan who will do whatever he thinks will win. He's trash.

Trump made no such statement. "His Campaign" Did.

There is zero quote from Trump in that article or anywhere else I can find that he specifically says it himself.

His campaign making the statement is the same as Trump making the statement.  They speak for him.  And he did denounce them repeatedly when the media tried this same tactic of insinuating that Trump supports the KKK:

Asked, “How do you feel about the recent endorsement from David Duke?”

TRUMP: “I didn’t even know he endorsed me. David Duke endorsed me? OK. All right. I disavow. OK?”

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article63492082.html

There is plenty to dislike about Trump.  Being a bigot is not one of them.  He's not a bigot and hasn't done anything to support them. 

[TuHolmes]

His campaign making the statement is the same as Trump making the statement.  They speak for him.  And he did denounce them repeatedly when the media tried this same tactic of insinuating that Trump supports the KKK:

Asked, “How do you feel about the recent endorsement from David Duke?”

TRUMP: “I didn’t even know he endorsed me. David Duke endorsed me? OK. All right. I disavow. OK?”

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article63492082.html

There is plenty to dislike about Trump.  Being a bigot is not one of them.  He's not a bigot and hasn't done anything to support them.  

I'm not saying he's a bigot. I've never said that. I've said he uses their bigotry to his advantage because he's scum.

What makes them so emboldened now that he's in office? They didn't get like this under Bush... They weren't like this under Clinton or any other President. They didn't just start becoming racist because Obama was in office. So tell me why racists feel like it's ok now.

Hell, look at this board. (Not the politics, but the rest) the racism that is here on getbig today was never here 10 years ago. A Black guy becomes president and now racists come out of the woodwork? So it's Obama's fault? (rhetorical)

He did say that about David Duke. I remember that one line. Good luck finding another. Didn't he retweet a bunch of neo-nazi stuff as well? Pretty sure THAT happened.

I am saying that he may not necessarily be some deep racist himself, but he sure has made it cool to be racist today in 2017.

[mazrim]

Trump caved on this. Seems afraid to denounce BLM, etc. that had a large hand in this as well. Both extreme sides are wrong and should be shunned for what they are.

His first statement was correct except for the fact that he was too "afraid" to call out by name both sides specifically. Now he buckles and doesn't mention the other losers. Though I am kind of torn on that because people shouldn't have to be that stupid to have to have someone specifically say who are the problems when it is obvious what he was saying but now that he caved and condemned one wacko side he says nothing about the other. That's a downgrade in my eyes. Call out both.

Mindboggling how much violence antifa, etc. engages in yet not a peep essentially from the media on that. Throwing urine and feces, etc. Even NYTimes right before the incident one of the reporters said they were the ones getting out of control.

[Las Vegas]

Romney Said something. Bush said something. Most Rs say something. It may cost them votes, but they do it because they may not be perfect, but even they have some moral standards.

Trump has no morals. He will shit on anyone (as proven by how he treats those who supported him) and everyone and use anything and everything to his advantage.

He's a charlatan who will do whatever he thinks will win. He's trash.

Trump made no such statement. "His Campaign" Did.

There is zero quote from Trump in that article or anywhere else I can find that he specifically says it himself.

I can't disagree, but then again it sort of makes his case in this one.

Lol, you know things are bad when it takes something like that.  But that's what it is.

[Dos Equis]

I'm not saying he's a bigot. I've never said that. I've said he uses their bigotry to his advantage because he's scum.

What makes them so emboldened now that he's in office? They didn't get like this under Bush... They weren't like this under Clinton or any other President. They didn't just start becoming racist because Obama was in office. So tell me why racists feel like it's ok now.

Hell, look at this board. (Not the politics, but the rest) the racism that is here on getbig today was never here 10 years ago. A Black guy becomes president and now racists come out of the woodwork? So it's Obama's fault? (rhetorical)

He did say that about David Duke. I remember that one line. Good luck finding another. Didn't he retweet a bunch of neo-nazi stuff as well? Pretty sure THAT happened.

I am saying that he may not necessarily be some deep racist himself, but he sure has made it cool to be racist today in 2017.

I'm not saying you are calling him a bigot.  I think that's what the MSM and Democrats in Congress are doing, along with people suffering from TDS.  

I don't think these handful of idiots have only recently come out of the closet.  I think the media is giving them more of a platform. That's how the media manipulates public opinion.  They tell people what to focus on.  

I'm sure I could find other quotes from Trump and his campaign about that whole KKK nonsense.  I remember hearing them.  But you have two statements from him/his campaign denouncing them.  How many times does he need to do?  And why did they keep asking him about it anyway?  It's all part of the "deplorables" tactic.  Just like they called Romney, McCain, and Dubya racists.  It's part of the MSM/Democrat playbook.    

In terms of bigots on this board, they've been here as long as I've been posting (since 2006?).  I don't think they are any more or less prevalent than at any given time I've been here.  

[TuHolmes]

I'm not saying you are calling him a bigot.  I think that's what the MSM and Democrats in Congress are doing, along with people suffering from TDS.  

I don't think these handful of idiots have only recently come out of the closet.  I think the media is giving them more of a platform. That's how the media manipulates public opinion.  They tell people what to focus on.  

I'm sure I could find other quotes from Trump and his campaign about that whole KKK nonsense.  I remember hearing them.  But you have two statements from him/his campaign denouncing them.  How many times does he need to do?  And why did they keep asking him about it anyway?  It's all part of the "deplorables" tactic.  Just like they called Romney, McCain, and Dubya racists.  It's part of the MSM/Democrat playbook.    

In terms of bigots on this board, they've been here as long as I've been posting (since 2006?).  I don't think they are any more or less prevalent than at any given time I've been here.  

Congress and the people truly saying he's racist are surely being ridiculous. I mean, he may be a buffoon at times, but to just call him an out and out racist is absolutely a political motivation that has no merit. They did call them racists, but they were quick to say, 'not so fast.'

Sidebar - I'll be completely honest, GWB may be the least racist President we ever had. He gave more money to AIDS in Africa than anyone and he is the reason why there is an African American History Museum today. He set the money aside for that. Not anyone else.

It's possible that it's media driven, but I recall many years ago, a Klan Rally happening close to where I used to live and it was on the news and they held it deep in the forest on private property so no one would know who was there. People went in and left under the cover of darkness. It was not as overt as it is now.

I think they asked about it, and this is my opinion of course, because he received a lot more overt support during his run than I can remember others receiving during theirs. I could be wrong about this of course.

Now, we must also take in context the fact that the internet has made information more readily available, so if someone did support previous presidents, there was no Twitter or Facebook or any of the other mediums to relay that information. Maybe it's just a part of the movement of technology, so it shows up faster and easier.

Yes, there have been bigots here, but I don't believe it's been as bad as it is now. That's of course opinion, but we can only see what our eyes see.

[Las Vegas]

I'm not saying you are calling him a bigot.  I think that's what the MSM and Democrats in Congress are doing, along with people suffering from TDS.  

I don't think these handful of idiots have only recently come out of the closet.  I think the media is giving them more of a platform. That's how the media manipulates public opinion.  They tell people what to focus on.

 

I'm sure I could find other quotes from Trump and his campaign about that whole KKK nonsense.  I remember hearing them.  But you have two statements from him/his campaign denouncing them.  How many times does he need to do?  And why did they keep asking him about it anyway?  It's all part of the "deplorables" tactic.  Just like they called Romney, McCain, and Dubya racists.  It's part of the MSM/Democrat playbook.    

In terms of bigots on this board, they've been here as long as I've been posting (since 2006?).  I don't think they are any more or less prevalent than at any given time I've been here.  

End of Thread.

[Dos Equis]

Congress and the people truly saying he's racist are surely being ridiculous. I mean, he may be a buffoon at times, but to just call him an out and out racist is absolutely a political motivation that has no merit. They did call them racists, but they were quick to say, 'not so fast.'

Sidebar - I'll be completely honest, GWB may be the least racist President we ever had. He gave more money to AIDS in Africa than anyone and he is the reason why there is an African American History Museum today. He set the money aside for that. Not anyone else.

It's possible that it's media driven, but I recall many years ago, a Klan Rally happening close to where I used to live and it was on the news and they held it deep in the forest on private property so no one would know who was there. People went in and left under the cover of darkness. It was not as overt as it is now.

I think they asked about it, and this is my opinion of course, because he received a lot more overt support during his run than I can remember others receiving during theirs. I could be wrong about this of course.

Now, we must also take in context the fact that the internet has made information more readily available, so if someone did support previous presidents, there was no Twitter or Facebook or any of the other mediums to relay that information. Maybe it's just a part of the movement of technology, so it shows up faster and easier.

Yes, there have been bigots here, but I don't believe it's been as bad as it is now. That's of course opinion, but we can only see what our eyes see.

I think you're right about the internet having a big impact.

As far back as I can remember, there has always been some doofus coming on here talking about eugenics, race-based IQ, etc.  

[Howard]

I think you're right about the internet having a big impact.

As far back as I can remember, there has always been some doofus coming on here talking about eugenics, race-based IQ, etc.  

Extreme racist groups will always occupy a sliver of the world's population.
For a variety of reasons, some groups can get away with more one side rhetoric and actions.
Here's my summary , based on my own half-assed observations:

1. Pro gay or transgender groups almost always get a pass now.
ESPN even gave their "courage award" to Kaitlyn Bruce Jenner for being an open drag queen.

2. Pro Feminist groups are near impossible to be critical of, regardless of what they say.

3. Being for gay rights, black lives or Hispanic heritage is considered cultural pride.
But, pride for white culture is considered racist. Hmmm???
That always seemed like a double standard.

I think we should all be treated fairly as humanly possible and enjoy the same basic rights.
Having the same FAIR opportunity doesn't guarantee an equal result.

This is why some teams win more games then others in the same league.

[Primemuscle]

For whatever reason, Trump's Presidency seems to empower the Alt Right, racist folk. -Not saying it's his fault directly, but it may be so indirectly.

[OzmO]

Yes I agree he could have made a better statement.  Does that mean he's now a KKK sympathizer?  More of a rhetorical question, but I think people are in such a frenzy over everything the man says that they are constantly overreacting to what comes out of his mouth.  

If we strip away being PC, he's right that there is hatred on all sides, and groups like BLM have blood on their hands, but there is a time and place to talk about the hatred, violence, and intolerance of liberals, other activist groups, etc.

That said, I still think it's silly to try and insinuate that Trump is trying to identify or secretly support those knuckleheads.  He's not.    

Since the election I have been avoiding politics.

I am not fan of Trump.  What news i have been unable to avoid has him looking pretty unpresidential at times IMO.

But this latest thing  has been pretty disappointing to me.  It shows just how far news has twisted shit (its just reversed itself since OB).  I saw a headline on cnn.com this weekend that was something like,  "SILENCE from the white house or trump or something."

Suggesting to the casual reader, like myself, that he didn't denounce anything at all.  

Of course that didn't make any sense. So i looked on foxnews.com knowing that if he did say something it would be on there.

Did he not say something to the effect:  "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides – on many sides"?

Now, i will concede that he could have had made a better statement.  But FFS.  

Why do we have trudge through mountains of shit all the time?

Can't we just report the dam news without trying to sway public opinion with propaganda all the time?