Left-Wing Agitators Call For Escalated Tactics In Response To Charlottesville

[Dos Equis]

I'm not talking about the Southern Poverty Law Center and their definition, but you're right about me confusing 2 separate issues.

Yes, the KKK is very small and has a very small footprint around the US, but white supremacist groups, are, I believe, capable of turning an election if it's close like 2016 was.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not helping because I'm voting against pretty much everyone else, but that's just me. I'm not giving nor taking votes away to or from either of the big 2 parties.

It's true that relatively small but unanimous voting blocs can swing results in a particular state.  That said, in order to conclude the KKK impacted the election, we'd have to look at the swing states (or really every state Trump won), the KKK population in those states, exit polls, etc.  I'm not doing all of that work, but I'm pretty confident we wouldn't be able to find any support for the KKK as a voting bloc having any impact on states Trump won, much less pushed him to victory.  

[Walter Sobchak]

True points on all fronts.

I still find it odd that we would have statues of people who fought against the USA in the USA itself. Just seems weird to me.

It's not like we have statues of Hitler, Hirohito, or Santa Anna hanging around do we?

Pretty sure there are statues of Pancho Villa in the U.S.

[TuHolmes]

Pretty sure there are statues of Pancho Villa in the U.S.

There is, but I don't think he was ever at war against the US... Was he? I know he did attack a border town once, but that was him fucking up I think. At least that's the way the story was told to me.

If he was an enemy of the US, then yeah, that shit needs to come down.

[Las Vegas]

Pretty sure there are statues of Pancho Villa in the U.S.

Yep, in Downtown Tucson.

[Las Vegas]

They say Pancho was a dope-smoking madman with no concept of linear thought, and that's why he was so "good" at battle (according to the stories which say he was good, anyway).

[Thin Lizzy]

I will disagree that shit is worse. Nothing is worse than the 80s when it comes to inner city violence and crime. That's just a statistical fact. As a matter of fact, looking at trends, outside of a couple of places, crime as a whole is down across the board. Everywhere.

You are incorrect about poverty rates though. The most recent data I can find has poverty up by 2.5 percent in 2015 compared to 1990. (Has it dropped in 2 years? Doubtful, but if you find the information, I'll be happy to look at it.) Also, for full disclosure, it was much higher from 2009 to 2014.

Now it's not a huge difference, but I honestly can't tell you what 2.5 percent difference in poverty over 25 years equates to in terms of social-economic impact. I haven't done the research and to be completely fair, I'm not going to as it's not my forte.

I will also have to ask when the trend of violence started and how is it actually trending over the past 6 - 8 years everywhere, not just Chicago itself.

Someone brought up NY, but I haven't seen a problem there myself, nor in Los Angeles.

Crime is through the roof in black cities all around the country. There isn't a predominantly black area anywhere in the US that isn't a crime infested drug addled shit hole. There's no need to look for complex answers. The simple one works just fine. It's a failed culture. The poverty excuse is also a joke. This is what American poverty looks like, 21 year old 300 pound Quantasia:



Btw, New York City is on its way down the toilet too. I live here. Can't walk down the street without seeing some busted Dindu going through the garbage or pissing on himself.




America’s Top Cities for Homicides Are on Track for Historic Rates in 2017

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thetrace.org/2017/07/gun-homicide-rates-baltimore-st-lous-detroit/amp/

[TuHolmes]

Crime is through the roof in black cities all around the country. There isn't a predominantly black area anywhere in the US that isn't a crime infested drug addled shit hole. There's no need to look for complex answers. The simple one works just fine. It's a failed culture. The poverty excuse is also a joke. This is what American poverty looks like, 21 year old 300 pound Quantasia:



Btw, New York City is on its way down the toilet too. I live here. Can't walk down the street without seeing some busted Dindu going through the garbage or pissing on himself.




America’s Top Cities for Homicides Are on Track for Historic Rates in 2017

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thetrace.org/2017/07/gun-homicide-rates-baltimore-st-lous-detroit/amp/

Sorry, but violence in the 80s was much worse than it is now. Yes, the black inner cities are a problem, but they are not as bad as they were in the 80s.

That sampling over the past 7 years does show it is worse than then, but nothing was as bad as the 80s in inner cities. Now we certainly don't want it to get worse. That would be tragic, but as bad as it is in certain areas, it's not as bad as it has been.

Go look at the murders in the mid to late 80s and then tell me now is worse. It's not even close.

Chicago - Murders in the city first peaked in 1974, with 970 murders when the city's population was over three million, resulting in a murder rate of around 29 per 100,000, and again in 1992, with 943 murders when the city had fewer than three million people, resulting in a murder rate of 34 murders per 100,000 citizens.

2016 I believe was 27.22 per 100,000


So it's bad... I'm not saying it's not, and it might be worse this year, so it may break that record from 92, but it's been worse than last year.


Last Year's homicide rate in NYC btw was 3.0 per 100,000 and Los Angeles was 6.3.

[bike nut]

Sorry, but violence in the 80s was much worse than it is now. Yes, the black inner cities are a problem, but they are not as bad as they were in the 80s.

That sampling over the past 7 years does show it is worse than then, but nothing was as bad as the 80s in inner cities. Now we certainly don't want it to get worse. That would be tragic, but as bad as it is in certain areas, it's not as bad as it has been.

Go look at the murders in the mid to late 80s and then tell me now is worse. It's not even close.

Chicago - Murders in the city first peaked in 1974, with 970 murders when the city's population was over three million, resulting in a murder rate of around 29 per 100,000, and again in 1992, with 943 murders when the city had fewer than three million people, resulting in a murder rate of 34 murders per 100,000 citizens.

2016 I believe was 27.22 per 100,000


So it's bad... I'm not saying it's not, and it might be worse this year, so it may break that record from 92, but it's been worse than last year.


Last Year's homicide rate in NYC btw was 3.0 per 100,000 and Los Angeles was 6.3.

Eleven people have been murdered and 32 more wounded in Chicago since Sunday. So if Black Lives Matter was truthful about the plight of blacks in America, why aren't they protesting there? Where is the cry from BLM, MSM, or Chicago politicians to stop the killing?

One white woman was killed by the rally of idiots on Saturday. In a national call out for White Supremacists to attend the protest in Charlottesville only about 500 morons showed up. Hardly a national presence, about that many people get shot per month in Chicago. So where is the outcry from the media? They sure like to cover how the DOJ is unfairly treating Chicago because of its sanctuary city policies.

Antifa and BLM are domestic terrorist groups and Trump was right to call them out. Just because Obama could never utter the words doesn't mean people/groups of domestic terrorists don't exist.The MSM is in a full force push to fight Trump anyway they can. Lost in this fervor of some retard from Ohio running over a person protesting illegally are the facts that:

One group had a legal permit to assemble and hold a rally, one group did not
The Lynch and FBI FOIA obstruction of justice probe gets pushed off the front page
All rioters are criminals, just like all illegals are criminals

[TuHolmes]

Eleven people have been murdered and 32 more wounded in Chicago since Sunday. So if Black Lives Matter was truthful about the plight of blacks in America, why aren't they protesting there? Where is the cry from BLM, MSM, or Chicago politicians to stop the killing?

One white woman was killed by the rally of idiots on Saturday. In a national call out for White Supremacists to attend the protest in Charlottesville only about 500 morons showed up. Hardly a national presence, about that many people get shot per month in Chicago. So where is the outcry from the media? They sure like to cover how the DOJ is unfairly treating Chicago because of its sanctuary city policies.

Antifa and BLM are domestic terrorist groups and Trump was right to call them out. Just because Obama could never utter the words doesn't mean people/groups of domestic terrorists don't exist.The MSM is in a full force push to fight Trump anyway they can. Lost in this fervor of some retard from Ohio running over a person protesting illegally are the facts that:

One group had a legal permit to assemble and hold a rally, one group did not
The Lynch and FBI FOIA obstruction of justice probe gets pushed off the front page
All rioters are criminals, just like all illegals are criminals

My belief, and as I'm not a member of BLM, I can only give my assumption, so there's that... Is that they were created specifically  because of black people being killed by police. This is black people killing other black people and as such, isn't really a BLM issue.

It SHOULD be an issue for BLM, but that's not what they were organized around. They were organized because of police killing black people.

Now do I think that's the biggest problem facing the black communities? Nope. It's a problem, but it's not the largest.

Black communities have larger issues and if they were smart, they would organize against those too. We have no argument there. I just can't speak to BLM or whatever they decide to do. Aren't we really adding in BLM in a conversation they have nothing to do with?

Let's not exaggerate, they've had 437 murders in the past 7.5 months, so it's not anywhere close to 500 a month. It's far too many, but let's be factual and not speak in overly dramatic fashions when we are talking seriously.

You don't need any permit to legally assemble. The constitution is your permit. Everyone was legally allowed to be there. They were not legally allowed to engage in combat.

As far as what you mentioned. Yes, some clown from Ohio who has absolutely no reason to want to protect a statue of Robert E. Lee ran over someone. Why the was that guy there? I mean come on. He doesn't even get to use the "heritage" clause. Why would he want to protect that statue?

[bike nut]

My belief, and as I'm not a member of BLM, I can only give my assumption, so there's that... Is that they were created specifically  because of black people being killed by police. This is black people killing other black people and as such, isn't really a BLM issue.

It SHOULD be an issue for BLM, but that's not what they were organized around. They were organized because of police killing black people.

Now do I think that's the biggest problem facing the black communities? Nope. It's a problem, but it's not the largest.

Black communities have larger issues and if they were smart, they would organize against those too. We have no argument there. I just can't speak to BLM or whatever they decide to do. Aren't we really adding in BLM in a conversation they have nothing to do with?

Let's not exaggerate, they've had 437 murders in the past 7.5 months, so it's not anywhere close to 500 a month. It's far too many, but let's be factual and not speak in overly dramatic fashions when we are talking seriously.

You don't need any permit to legally assemble. The constitution is your permit. Everyone was legally allowed to be there. They were not legally allowed to engage in combat.

As far as what you mentioned. Yes, some clown from Ohio who has absolutely no reason to want to protect a statue of Robert E. Lee ran over someone. Why the was that guy there? I mean come on. He doesn't even get to use the "heritage" clause. Why would he want to protect that statue?

[bike nut]

My belief, and as I'm not a member of BLM, I can only give my assumption, so there's that... Is that they were created specifically  because of black people being killed by police. This is black people killing other black people and as such, isn't really a BLM issue.

It SHOULD be an issue for BLM, but that's not what they were organized around. They were organized because of police killing black people.

Now do I think that's the biggest problem facing the black communities? Nope. It's a problem, but it's not the largest.

Black communities have larger issues and if they were smart, they would organize against those too. We have no argument there. I just can't speak to BLM or whatever they decide to do. Aren't we really adding in BLM in a conversation they have nothing to do with?

Let's not exaggerate, they've had 437 murders in the past 7.5 months, so it's not anywhere close to 500 a month. It's far too many, but let's be factual and not speak in overly dramatic fashions when we are talking seriously.

You don't need any permit to legally assemble. The constitution is your permit. Everyone was legally allowed to be there. They were not legally allowed to engage in combat.

As far as what you mentioned. Yes, some clown from Ohio who has absolutely no reason to want to protect a statue of Robert E. Lee ran over someone. Why the was that guy there? I mean come on. He doesn't even get to use the "heritage" clause. Why would he want to protect that statue?

500 people are shot in Chicago in a little over a month....not murdered, shot.

You need to slow your righteous indignation down a little and try to comprehend what is being said.

[TuHolmes]

Those are false statistics.

I already stated it was not the largest problem, but it is a problem.

The real numbers are:

Blacks killed by whites
8%

Blacks killed by blacks
90%

Whites killed by whites
82%

Whites killed by blacks
15%

These numbers are the FBI numbers btw.

[TuHolmes]

500 people are shot in Chicago in a little over a month....not murdered, shot.

You need to slow your righteous indignation down a little and try to comprehend what is being said.

My righteous indignation? HAHAHA

What anger do I have? zero. I'm answering questions as asked. I could stop right now if you want. It matters not to me.

You post completely false statistics and I'm the angry one?

You're using lies to justify your position, but if you think I'm the angry one, then so be it.

[bike nut]

Those are false statistics.

I already stated it was not the largest problem, but it is a problem.

The real numbers are:

Blacks killed by whites
8%

Blacks killed by blacks
90%

Whites killed by whites
82%

Whites killed by blacks
15%

These numbers are the FBI numbers btw.

The source of those statistics is listed right there for all to see. Only a child would call them my lie.

Let me also question the accuracy of your statement about BLM. They are only interested in blacks that are shot by WHITE cops. They have no interest in whether the deceased resisted arrest or the circumstances, they are only interested in the color of the officer's skin.

You ask why is BLM being brought into the conversation? Well at last Saturday's legal and permitted protest of the removal of a General Lee statue why was BLM even there? You've already said they have no interest in heritage.

Why is an organization that was founded around the false premise of "racist white police officers gunning down innocent black men" at a peaceful protest about protecting a part of US history?

[Thin Lizzy]

500 people are shot in Chicago in a little over a month....not murdered, shot.

You need to slow your righteous indignation down a little and try to comprehend what is being said.

All he's got is long winded excuse making and nitpicking. In 2017, Black inner cities are the most violent places on the face of the earth. You would think the media would have a bit of interest in this.

[bike nut]

All he's got is long winded excuse making and nitpicking. In 2017, Black inner cities are the most violent places on the face of the earth. You would think the media would have a bit of interest in this.

In 2009 Nidal Hasan, a Muslim with known terrorist ties, shot and killed 13 men and wounded 30 more at Fort Hood.

President Obama called it workplace violence. The majority of the MSM said nothing.

The Attack in Benghazi on the anniversary of 9/11, Obama and Clinton blamed a video. The majority of the MSM said nothing.

Now Trump says both sides are at fault and guilty of what went on last Saturday and the MSM are frothing at the mouth because Trump had the nerve to tell the truth and call out the left.

Only going to get worse...

[Thin Lizzy]

In 2009 Nidal Hasan, a Muslim with known terrorist ties, shot and killed 13 men and wounded 30 more at Fort Hood.

President Obama called it workplace violence. The majority of the MSM said nothing.

The Attack in Benghazi on the anniversary of 9/11, Obama and Clinton blamed a video. The majority of the MSM said nothing.

Now Trump says both sides are at fault and guilty of what went on last Saturday and the MSM are frothing at the mouth because Trump had the nerve to tell the truth and call out the left.

Only going to get worse...

A leftist shoots up a bunch of Republican congressmen playing softball and the media was pretty much disinterested.

[bike nut]

A leftist shoots up a bunch of Republican congressmen playing softball and the media was pretty much disinterested.

Jared Kushner shot and killed people while he was trying to shoot and kill Congresswoman Gabby Gifford. The MSM was at a fever pitch until....they found out he was a Democrat. Then the story went away.

The City of Baltimore took down Civil War statues during the night last night....but the Ray Lewis statue stands proudly in Baltimore today. Isn't that a bit backward?

The hypocrisy knows no bounds.

The left say the statues have to come down because they represent slavery. Yet the Democratic Part is the party of slavery. If you say the Civil War was about slavery, the left says no it wasn't it was about succession from the Union and was necessary.

What's odd is that Governor Jerry Brown calls for CA to succeed from the US, but I don't see any left-wing demonstration about that?

[Yamcha]

Jared Kushner shot and killed people while he was trying to shoot and kill Congresswoman Gabby Gifford. The MSM was at a fever pitch until....they found out he was a Democrat. Then the story went away.

The City of Baltimore took down Civil War statues during the night last night....but the Ray Lewis statue stands proudly in Baltimore today. Isn't that a bit backward?

The hypocrisy knows no bounds.

The left say the statues have to come down because they represent slavery. Yet the Democratic Part is the party of slavery. If you say the Civil War was about slavery, the left says no it wasn't it was about succession from the Union and was necessary.

What's odd is that Governor Jerry Brown calls for CA to succeed from the US, but I don't see any left-wing demonstration about that?

Democrats before Civil War: "But who will pick our crops?"

Democrats today: "But who will pick our crops?"


California Crops Rot as Immigration Crackdown Creates Farmworker Shortage

http://fortune.com/2017/08/08/immigration-worker-shortage-rotting-crops/

[Thin Lizzy]

Eleven people have been murdered and 32 more wounded in Chicago since Sunday. So if Black Lives Matter was truthful about the plight of blacks in America, why aren't they protesting there? Where is the cry from BLM, MSM, or Chicago politicians to stop the killing?

Because they blamed the cops for all the problems. However when the cops stood down, violence escalated to the point where it is now. So, they're backed into a corner where the only answer is  to call for aggressive policing.

Jared Kushner shot and killed people while he was trying to shoot and kill Congresswoman Gabby Gifford. The MSM was at a fever pitch until....they found out he was a Democrat. Then the story went away.

 I haven't been able to find it, but somebody posted a list of all the people who work for the major networks who are either former Democratic operatives or married to Democratic politicians. It was huge. The mainstream media and the Democratic Party are essentially one and the same.

[headhuntersix]

The reporting has gotten so bad that the media is allowing these ANTIFA shitbag communists to identify with the soldiers who hit Normandy. They are communists....look at their agenda, look at the agenda of BLM. Goddamn Soros was a nazi sympathizer and now funds these groups. The D Day soldiers no more ID with them then they do with the rednecks with torches. I have a hard time ID'ing them as Nazi's. Most of em would not have been able to serve in SS combat formations, hell half of em can't serve in our military or were discharged as unfit. They did a study on the ANTIFA douches....most live at home still. We have pussies and rednecks hackiing at each other and the media cheers.

[bike nut]

The reporting has gotten so bad that the media is allowing these ANTIFA shitbag communists to identify with the soldiers who hit Normandy. They are communists....look at their agenda, look at the agenda of BLM. Goddamn Soros was a nazi sympathizer and now funds these groups. The D Day soldiers no more ID with them then they do with the rednecks with torches. I have a hard time ID'ing them as Nazi's. Most of em would not have been able to serve in SS combat formations, hell half of em can't serve in our military or were discharged as unfit. They did a study on the ANTIFA douches....most live at home still. We have pussies and rednecks hackiing at each other and the media cheers.

This is funny and true at the same time.

Can you imagine Tu Holmes as a German SS Officer? Can you imagine Goebbels meeting a group of inner city Goodrums?

Tu Holmes might have been tall enough for the Hitler Youth!   

[TuHolmes]

The source of those statistics is listed right there for all to see. Only a child would call them my lie.

Let me also question the accuracy of your statement about BLM. They are only interested in blacks that are shot by WHITE cops. They have no interest in whether the deceased resisted arrest or the circumstances, they are only interested in the color of the officer's skin.

You ask why is BLM being brought into the conversation? Well at last Saturday's legal and permitted protest of the removal of a General Lee statue why was BLM even there? You've already said they have no interest in heritage.

Why is an organization that was founded around the false premise of "racist white police officers gunning down innocent black men" at a peaceful protest about protecting a part of US history?

Never said it was YOUR lie. I said it was a lie. One that had been debunked in 2015.

This is funny and true at the same time.

Can you imagine Tu Holmes as a German SS Officer? Can you imagine Goebbels meeting a group of inner city Goodrums?

Tu Holmes might have been tall enough for the Hitler Youth!   

Stupid. I'm 3 inches taller than Geobbels was and whopping 1/2 an inch shorter than Hitler was. I guess that's what you have to do when you run out of decent points though.

I won't respond to you again though, since this is your MO now, so feel free to respond as you see fit.

[bike nut]

Never said it was YOUR lie. I said it was a lie. One that had been debunked in 2015.

Stupid. I'm 3 inches taller than Geobbels was and whopping 1/2 an inch shorter than Hitler was. I guess that's what you have to do when you run out of decent points though.

I won't respond to you again though, since this is your MO now, so feel free to respond as you see fit.

No sweat off my ass. You type a lot and say absolutely nothing pertinent to the subject at hand.

You're another poorly educated liberal with a myopic, naive view of the world throwing a hissy fit temper tantrum about Trump like a 6 year old who didn't get a pony for Christmas.

You support the left, BAMN, BLM, Hillary, etc., not much more need be said about your obvious lack of intelligence.

[TheGrinch]