Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...

[Simple Simon]

No, it doesn't. It goes to the bodybuilder who hired the trainer.

The bodybuilder chose to hire the trainer; the bodybuilder chose to stick the drugs into their body.

They could have easily rejected the trainers advice. They didn't.

Personal responsibility doesn't come to a halt because the person hired a personal trainer.  

I would wager that most pros take a bit more than the guru advises anyway...

[falco]

Since Shawn Ray is too lazy to make a comeback, in order to make himself relevant again, he plays this stunt. Nothing new to see here.

[Royalty]

If Shawn is so concerned with the health of today's competitors; he should just turn his back on bodybuilding entirely. Everybody in this sport will do things that will compromise their health.  Most guys never come off... and they have been on drugs their entire adult lives.

At this point, Dexter Jackson has been on drugs for 20 years straight.

[Bevo]

If Shawn is so concerned with the health of today's competitors; he should just turn his back on bodybuilding entirely. Everybody in this sport will do things that will compromise their health.  Most guys never come off... and they have been on drugs their entire adult lives.

At this point, Dexter Jackson has been on drugs for 20 years straight.

Shit Dexter prob 25-30 easily haha

That's a hell of a commitment to the syringe

[The Wizard of Truth]

No, it doesn't. It goes to the bodybuilder who hired the trainer.

The bodybuilder chose to hire the trainer; the bodybuilder chose to stick the drugs into their body.

They could have easily rejected the trainers advice. They didn't.

Personal responsibility doesn't come to a halt because the person hired a personal trainer.  

Michael Jacksons private doctor went on trial

[SF1900]

Michael Jacksons private doctor went on trial

As I've said to Coach, I'll concede my point if the same, or roughly the same, ethical code that applies to doctors also apply to personal trainers. I wouldn't be surprised if these personal trainers draw up a contract alleviating them of all liability. For the most part, you can't do that as a medical professional--they are bound by a code of ethics.

[The Wizard of Truth]

As I've said to Coach, I'll concede my point if the same, or roughly the same, ethical code that applies to doctors also apply to personal trainers. I wouldn't be surprised if these personal trainers draw up a contract alleviating them of all liability. For the most part, you can't do that as a medical professional--they are bound by a code of ethics.

Well a doctor can legally prescribe you medication, a bodybuilder guru can't, so I'd expect you're correct

[Pet shop boys]

Since Shawn Ray is too lazy to make a comeback, in order to make himself relevant again, he plays this stunt. Nothing new to see here.

Lazy or wise ?

Would you put your kidneys,liver, heart, joints under stress in your 50's to go on stage looking  like a shadow of your former self and be beaten by a bunch of nobodies   Will you ?   WILL YOU




WoooSHHHHHHHH  IT IS LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[falco]

Lazy or wise ?

Would you put your kidneys,liver, heart, joints under stress in your 50's to go on stage looking  like a shadow of your former self and be beaten by a bunch of nobodies   Will you ?   WILL YOU




WoooSHHHHHHHH  IT IS LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I wouldn't now at 40yo.

[SF1900]

Well a doctor can legally prescribe you medication, a bodybuilder guru can't, so I'd expect you're correct

I've actually did a quick google search to see if there was an organization that discussed code of ethics by personal trainers. Usually, there is an overarching, large organization that oversees a particular profession. For example, the American Medical Association oversees all ethics regarding doctors. However, it does not seem like there is ONE overarching, large organization that oversees personal trainers.

I did find this code of ethic under the National Council of Strength and Fitness.

II. Trainer Conduct and Practice
 
1. The trainer should recognize the boundaries of his or her particular competencies and expertise, and provide only those services and use only those techniques for which he or she is qualified by education, training, or experience.

Thus, if a personal trainer provided a client with steroids, in which they are obviously not qualified to provide steroids to clients, then perhaps the client will have a lawsuit or the personal trainer would be held responsible.

But, it seems like different organizations have different code of ethics.

[denarii]

The experimental Doctor in Auchwitz went on trial

[burnout666]

The experimental Doctor in Auchwitz went on trial

He actually evaded capture and died on the beach, a free man at 67. LOL.

[ilalin]

GHB induces growth hormone release so it was taken by bodybuilders together with insulin to maximize growth. It also releases massive anxiety brought on by large doses of trenbolone.
The only problem is that most of these individuals would not understand the mechanism and correlation amongst various hormones to use them to the full potential.

[Slapper]

He actually evaded capture and died on the beach, a free man at 67. LOL.

Wiesenthal came close to snatching that Nazi son of a bitch though.

I can't imagine what the Mosad would've done to him... For all we know he was murdered in cold blood.

Legend has it that, right after WWII, all the Nazis used to get together in some remote farm in Paraguay, still wearing their Nazi uniforms and all, party for a day or two and then disappear.

Legend has it the OSS (CIA) was aware of this and did diddley shit about it.

[burnout666]

While the Mossad did engage in questionably legal tactics like mailing bombs to suspected Nazi addresses or kidnapping others, the way they treated Adolf Eichmann was probably the official Israeli policy of Nazi hunting. He was basically the architect of the concentration camp system and much higher up the food chain than Mengele. They bundled him into a truck in Buenos Aires and flew him back to Israel, put him on trial, and executed him. He even had time to write his memoirs in jail. I'd say they would've done the same to Mengele, probably.

He did have a lot of help from his well-off family in Germany, otherwise he'd have gone broke and been caught pretty early on. The governments of Paraguay and Brazil also turned a blind eye to requests for his extradition, although Argentina did put out a warrant for him (he'd left already). This was the 40s-70s...today he couldn't just disappear like that.

Klaus Barbie made it until 1987 when Bolivia gave him up, and apparently even visited the United States once or twice for tourism. Crazy.

[dearth]

Why does Shawn Ray had such a big hard on for Dallas McCarver



Shawn Ray had a lengthy career with but only 2 pro wins.  Shawn's main claim to fame was his impressive streak of top 5 olympia finishes. His other great claim was that he was the youngest amateur to turn pro. 20+ year later, Dallas breaks that record and takes away one of Shawn's precious bragging rights..

In every criticism of Dallas, Shawn somehow ends up talking up himself and how much better he was at that age. Shawn Ray's insecurity is fairly representative of most bodybuilders, but unlike the others Shawn can't keep his mouth shut.

[Dave D]

He's Shawn Ray. He's always been critical of every other bodybuilder.

[Nails]

Who's Dallas McCarver ?  I would like to meet this guy.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Shane Dimora was the youngest IFBB pro ever at 19 and Shawn is a bitter douche who actually posted this on here in reference to the 94 Olympia , yet in almost every interview he's constantly bringing up how he should have won 

He's a failure as a professional bodybuilder 2 wins in 13 years as a pro  Wow he was consistent  so was Lee Labrada so was a ton of other guys.

[Parker]

Shawn Ray had a lengthy career with but only 2 pro wins.
Shawn's main claim to fame was his impressive streak of top 5 olympia finishes.
His other great claim was that he was the youngest amateur to turn pro.
20+ year later, Dallas breaks that record and takes away one of Shawn's precious bragging rights..

In every criticism of Dallas, Shawn somehow ends up talking up himself and how much better he was at that age.
Shawn Ray's insecurity is fairly representative of most bodybuilders, but unlike the others Shawn can't keep his mouth shut.

More bodybuilders need to be as outspoken as Shawn. The two most outspoken were Shawn and Lee (oddly they can't stand each other).

If more bodybuilders spoke out, things may slowly change. Instead of keeping the status quo, and keeping their mouths shut and being what the higher ups want---obedient muscle.

And let's face it, aesthetically, Dallas couldn't touch Shawn.

[NarcissisticDeity]

More bodybuilders need to be as outspoken as Shawn. The two most outspoken were Shawn and Lee (oddly they can't stand each other).

If more bodybuilders spoke out, things may slowly change. Instead of keeping the status quo, and keeping their mouths shut and being what the higher ups want---obedient muscle.

And let's face it, aesthetically, Dallas couldn't touch Shawn.

Shawn's been squawking since the 80s , what has he changed? 

Dallas' physique pales in comparison to Shawns , however he tied Shawn in pro wins and much sooner than Shawn managed.

[Nether Animal]

True but against what competition?

[Parker]

Shawn's been squawking since the 80s , what has he changed? 

Dallas' physique pales in comparison to Shawns , however he tied Shawn in pro wins and much sooner than Shawn managed.

Yep. Shawn has always been known for this. He is consistent. I think he has a problem with the man behind Dallas, which is Chad. He's had beef with him since the late 90s.

[TheOne]

Who's Dallas McCarver ?  I would like to meet this guy.

Too soon

[mwbbuilder]

Everyone attracted to bodybuilding has some issues or we wouldn't do this.

You guys don't what to look for.

Insecurity is certainly not Shawn Ray's problem.

He's different that all the rest because he is one of the few that is truly confident and doesn't give a fuck.