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Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...
« on: September 04, 2017, 01:56:47 PM »

Is he calling Chad a murderer? He's going to get his ass sued or beat?

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Re: Shawn Ray calling The Chad a murderer
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2017, 01:59:11 PM »
His exclusive interview on the history of bodybuilding? Is he trying to start up his own thing, or is he already with another outlet?

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Re: Shawn Ray calling The Chad a murderer
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2017, 02:26:15 PM »
milos already called chad out, back in 2003. nothing new here.

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Re: Shawn Ray calling The Chad a murderer
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2017, 02:42:39 PM »

Let the games begin

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Re: Shawn Ray calling The Chad a murderer
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2017, 03:08:09 PM »
milos already called chad out, back in 2003. nothing new here.

1) Milos has always tried to say he is the one that showed me how to use the insulin. Complete b.s. - back in '94, I believe - it was a long time ago - we were at a contest and Milos and I sat down and talked about the insulin and he gave me his take on how he used it. However, this wasn't the first time I had talked to anyone about insulin - it was probably one of a handful of conversations I had with various people that year on the subject. My two primary conversations were with physician friends of mine and this is where all of my knowledge on the subject came from - that and trial and error. Yes, I listened to what Milos had to say, but never implemented anything. He only had one area in the entire insulin program right - and that was the time period of when to eat after the insulin - which had previously been printed in Muscle Media 2000 the month before.

2) Supposedly, all of this information came from his sister, who is a doctor, but in a conversation with Dan Duchaine, who is the one that set up the program for Muscle Media 2000 (identical to the one Milos had), he had told me that he and Muscle Media were the ones who gave Milos his information. Now, I have no way of confirming this - I only know that Milos was friends with the "Muscle Media Crew" at the time.

3) The great insulin plan by Milos taught me everything NOT to do with insulin. So, I do need to thank him there. So, I'll give you a quick rundown on his plan - his primary thought is to take the insulin 3 times a day, 5 days a week. This will give you great result if you are trying to become a self-induced diabetic. As well, after 3-4 weeks of this, the insulin stops responding in the body - the scary thing is that you can actually take insulin at this point and NOT eat - and nothing will happen to you.

4) Milos also, at the time, was talking of taking "G" in the morning WITH the insulin. I had heard he has changed his train of thought concerning this - but obviously, this is the worst time to take G!

5) In terms of using dextrose with the insulin, yes it will cover the insulin - but this is all it will do. It's through the system entirely too fast to get any kind of carbing up benefit from, and one of the primary purposes of carbing up with insulin is to glycogen load the muscle. Dextrose is so fast that you will more likely than not have a "spill over". Unfortunately, you can see this in a lot of his athletes. I prefer simple sugar carbs, to be a little more specific - fruits. You get the same benefit, but they are slower through the system and the loading factor is tremendously better.

6) Obviously, by now, you should be able to tell that Milos and I are at opposite ends of the table on how we feel about insulin and how it should be used. Every person's makeup is so different, so it is hard to just say here's a plan - use it - but here's a quick rundown of a plan that hits pretty close for most people: You should never use insulin more than twice weekly. Possibly once every three (3) days would be the most and I've only seen a couple of people who would actually need to use it that much. You would have to have a crazy metabolism to do that. Most people take it once a week and this is on Wednesday - and take it 3 times that day - once every 6 hours. I also prefer Humulin R and I believe Milos prefers Humulog. Here again, I believe Humulog is much too fast, and you risk the chance of a spill over. --Obviously, this is ONLY in the off-season and I never have athletes diet on insulin - I think Millos' belief on this is different.

I want to make it perfectly clear that Milos, as a person, I actually like, but his beliefs for the most part, I don't agree with. And, in turn, I'm aware that he doesn't agree with a lot of my theories - but everyone has their opinions and are entitled to that. Now that I have used your question to "Vent", I hope you have found your answer.

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Re: Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2017, 04:30:59 PM »
Shawn Ray definitely needs to do a tell all, regarding the darkside and behind the scenes of bodybuilding. There is no company that will hire him as a journalist at this point, seems like the majority of people in this sport hate him. He's been in the sport for a long time on stage and reporting it, a tell all would be a good move. Especially since we never got to see Nassers book come to print.

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Re: Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2017, 04:35:12 PM »
Shawn Ray definitely needs to do a tell all, regarding the darkside and behind the scenes of bodybuilding. There is no company that will hire him as a journalist at this point, seems like the majority of people in this sport hate him. He's been in the sport for a long time on stage and reporting it, a tell all would be a good move. Especially since we never got to see Nassers book come to print.

Because it never existed. Like pretty much everything about the guy's life, it was fiction. Shawn Ray was always the first to call the beautiful man with glasses out on his endless semi-anonymous libeling of his former co-competitors across endless articles and threads when it got brought up. For a guy reputed to be overly nice to people, Nasser was a real asshole to other bodybuilders and the industry in general. Total sore loser.

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Re: Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2017, 05:07:17 PM »
Because it never existed. Like pretty much everything about the guy's life, it was fiction. Shawn Ray was always the first to call the beautiful man with glasses out on his endless semi-anonymous libeling of his former co-competitors across endless articles and threads when it got brought up. For a guy reputed to be overly nice to people, Nasser was a real asshole to other bodybuilders and the industry in general. Total sore loser.

I agree, it seemed like he hated most of the guys he competed against, just kind of looked like a dick, but it did seem he genuinely liked normal people and fans. Regardless if his stories were 100% true or embellished they were definitely entertaining and hilarious.

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Re: Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2017, 05:09:30 PM »
I agree, it seemed like he hated most of the guys he competed against, just kind of looked like a dick, but it did seem he genuinely liked normal people and fans. Regardless if his stories were 100% true or embellished they were definitely entertaining and hilarious.

Right, I heard he was nice to the point of being obsessive - like offering people rides to the airport, buying them gifts, setting up socially awkward guys with girls he'd talk to, shit like that. But totally different when interviewing about bodybuilding...he trashed a lot of people, unfairly, just because he didn't place as well as the American BBers. The fact is he had some flaws that kept him from beating Dorian and Ronnie was just unbeatable. Then the obvious synthol abuse that he denied etc.

The ones he said the most about were Milos and Andreas Munzer's former gym owner, which both took up multi-part articles on bodybuilding.com that are still searchable...good reads.

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Re: Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2017, 06:52:27 PM »
Shawn quit MD because he didn't like the coment that Ron Harris made about a LHW at the north american, a guy named Lamar.

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Re: Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2017, 06:55:59 PM »
Shawn quit MD because he didn't like the coment that Ron Harris made about a LHW at the north american, a guy named Lamar.

Go on...

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Re: Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2017, 09:25:14 PM »
Right, I heard he was nice to the point of being obsessive - like offering people rides to the airport, buying them gifts, setting up socially awkward guys with girls he'd talk to, shit like that. But totally different when interviewing about bodybuilding...he trashed a lot of people, unfairly, just because he didn't place as well as the American BBers. The fact is he had some flaws that kept him from beating Dorian and Ronnie was just unbeatable. Then the obvious synthol abuse that he denied etc.

The ones he said the most about were Milos and Andreas Munzer's former gym owner, which both took up multi-part articles on bodybuilding.com that are still searchable...good reads.
Shawn Ray used Synthol? That's the first time hearing that one.

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Re: Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2017, 09:29:17 PM »
Go on...
Now Ron says he was joking. Who really knows.

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Re: Shawn Ray calling The Chad a murderer
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2017, 09:30:46 PM »


4) Milos also, at the time, was talking of taking "G" in the morning WITH the insulin. I had heard he has changed his train of thought concerning this - but obviously, this is the worst time to take G!



Taking G with insulin sounds really dangerous

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Re: Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2017, 09:36:17 PM »
good thread - keep it going - thanks

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Re: Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2017, 09:38:23 PM »
I said it in the McCarver thread, if someone hired a "guru"and something happens (like someone dies) first line of questioning goes to the "guru".

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Re: Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2017, 10:22:04 PM »
Shawn Ray used Synthol? That's the first time hearing that one.

We weren't discussing Shawn. He'd never sink to SEO like Nasser did.

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Re: Shawn Ray calling The Chad a murderer
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2017, 11:02:53 PM »
Taking G with insulin sounds really dangerous

that 'G' is growth hormone?
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Re: Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2017, 11:04:39 PM »
Now Ron says he was joking. Who really knows.

Cut and paste?

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Re: Shawn Ray calling The Chad a murderer
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2017, 12:28:21 AM »
that 'G' is growth hormone?
You would hope so

Except "G" often refers to GHB

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Re: Shawn Ray calling The Chad a murderer
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2017, 09:18:31 AM »
You would hope so

Except "G" often refers to GHB

Yes yes. G is ghb not gh. Very common in the industry back then. Dont really know now though.
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Re: Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2017, 10:20:11 AM »
Shawn's just trying to make headlines and stay relevant since he's got no job

probably right in a sense though

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Re: Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2017, 10:30:28 AM »
WTF is Chad gonna do about it??? take him to court? Excuse me your honor but this man accused me of being a murderer...Judge: what is your claimed profession? Chad: "IFBB GURU ie. Drug Dealer"  ok den......

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Re: Shawn Ray - He has killed more people than anyone - details...
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2017, 10:55:08 AM »
I said it in the McCarver thread, if someone hired a "guru"and something happens (like someone dies) first line of questioning goes to the "guru".

No, it doesn't. It goes to the bodybuilder who hired the trainer.

The bodybuilder chose to hire the trainer; the bodybuilder chose to stick the drugs into their body.

They could have easily rejected the trainers advice. They didn't.

Personal responsibility doesn't come to a halt because the person hired a personal trainer.  ::) ::)
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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2017, 11:07:49 AM »
No, it doesn't. It goes to the bodybuilder who hired the trainer.

The bodybuilder chose to hire the trainer; the bodybuilder chose to stick the drugs into their body.

They could have easily rejected the trainers advice. They didn't.

Personal responsibility doesn't come to a halt because the person hired a personal trainer.  ::) ::)

That's not how law enforcement works in the Western world. A bar owner now gets charged & sued as well if some fuckface drives into an SUV or a telephone pole after getting wasted at his bar. Some butt ranger gets a fellow shit chaser charged with assault if he spreads his gaping hole for ramming and gets a chronic disease in the process. In some states a guy gets charged with murder for shooting another guy running away from him on his lawn after stealing his valuables. The smack dealer who sold Seymour Hoffman his last hit gets charged with contributing to his murder. And in a landmark case a couple of years ago a gun manufacturer was successfully sued for making the gun some schmoe when on a shooting spree with.

Welcome to Obama's new vision of a fair & just society where no one has to take accountability for anything.

The gurus will get charged, trust me.