This is what bodybuilders should look like, healthy, happy, in shape 24/7. Not bloated, red faced, tattooed, bald, bags of oil. In the interview, he talks about how he was always had a conservative approach with "supplements," stayed away from heavy squats and deads, his goal was to keep his waist and hips as small as possible, spent countless hours practicing posing, knowing that he gave up a lot of size to other competitors he had to make up for it with his condition, symmetry, and posing. I honestly think he could make a comeback in the classic physique division and fair very well, better then Wheeler for sure.