Did insulin ruin bodybuilding?

[Van_Bilderass]

Food volume should be added to this "gut" discussion.

Yeah, imo opinion neither insulin nor gh ruined bb, it's more the obsession with the scale.

Dorian had great conditioning throughout his career. Then again he claimed to only have tried insulin briefly at low dosages only in the off season, late in his career. If true then insulin had little to nothing to do with his gut.

As mentioned, Milos had a good midsection despite "always" using insulin, off season and prep. His conditioning was never the best though, but how much was the fault if insulin vs genes is hard to say.

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[Griffith]

Yeah, imo opinion neither insulin nor gh ruined bb, it's more the obsession with the scale.

Dorian had great conditioning throughout his career. Then again he claimed to only have tried insulin briefly at low dosages only in the off season, late in his career. If true then insulin had little to nothing to do with his gut.

As mentioned, Milos had a good midsection despite "always" using insulin, off season and prep. His conditioning was never the best though, but how much was the fault if insulin vs genes is hard to say.

Yates did have a large gut, he was arguably the first to show those symptoms. His gut was the first thing I noticed when I first saw a photo of him.

[Van_Bilderass]

Yates did have a large gut, he was arguably the first to show those symptoms. His gut was the first thing I noticed when I first saw a photo of him.

Yes but if he hardly used insulin then it had nothing to do with supplemental insulin.

GH increases insulin levels but at the same time it reduces visceral fat.

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[Stephano]

Yeah, imo opinion neither insulin nor gh ruined bb, it's more the obsession with the scale.

Yeah, exactly.

It's important to note that the guys in the 70s and 80s were a lot lighter than "modern" bodybuilders of Dorian's era onwards.   

For instance, Berry De Mey competed at 225 lbs at 6'!  These days, at that height, he'd need to weigh 300lbs to be competitive.  In the past, it was more about proportion, conditioning, and illusion -- these days, it's about size at all costs...  and "size at all costs" means force-feeding, inordinate amounts of food, and more gear and slin than you can shake a stick at.

Dorian 1993 was the beginning of the end.


 

[NotMrAverage]

Yes slin ruined this game! Today you have people pushing the envelope towards 200iu aday. And people are fucking dieing just as in the case of Dallas Mccarver. Bubble guts and lack of cuts come from this lame drug. Not hgh and roids.

[dj181]

Yeah, exactly.

It's important to note that the guys in the 70s and 80s were a lot lighter than "modern" bodybuilders of Dorian's era onwards.   

For instance, Berry De Mey competed at 225 lbs at 6'!  These days, at that height, he'd need to weigh 300lbs to be competitive.  In the past, it was more about proportion, conditioning, and illusion -- these days, it's about size at all costs...  and "size at all costs" means force-feeding, inordinate amounts of food, and more gear and slin than you can shake a stick at.

Dorian 1993 was the beginning of the end.


 

6' @ 3 bills is a little bit high, more like 260-280

seems that low dose gh is ok

if you check those tom splatz interviews on bb bout drug use you will see they were playing with 2-4 ius back then, which was mid-90s

also richey rich piana made a vid where he clearly stated that the gut started to appear once over 4-5 ius per day

[ESFitness]

Yeah, exactly.

It's important to note that the guys in the 70s and 80s were a lot lighter than "modern" bodybuilders of Dorian's era onwards.   

For instance, Berry De Mey competed at 225 lbs at 6'!  These days, at that height, he'd need to weigh 300lbs to be competitive.  In the past, it was more about proportion, conditioning, and illusion -- these days, it's about size at all costs...  and "size at all costs" means force-feeding, inordinate amounts of food, and more gear and slin than you can shake a stick at.

Dorian 1993 was the beginning of the end.


 

we've all seen/read/heard that argument for years. the same argument zane used.

this is bodybuilding. nobody started (and continued) thinking "i don't wanna be TOO big".

nobody wins the lottery and drives a Camry ("i could be driving a Ferrari, but i chose to drive this Camry"... or for the xenophobes, "i could be sitting up in one of those F650's, my head a good 7ft above everybody else, but i chose to drive this Tacoma").

[Simple Simon]

we've all seen/read/heard that argument for years. the same argument zane used.

this is bodybuilding. nobody started (and continued) thinking "i don't wanna be TOO big".

nobody wins the lottery and drives a Camry ("i could be driving a Ferrari, but i chose to drive this Camry"... or for the xenophobes, "i could be sitting up in one of those F650's, my head a good 7ft above everybody else, but i chose to drive this Tacoma").

Mark Zuckerberg   is often seen driving a black Acura TSX, a car valued around $30,000. He says he prefers the choice because it's "safe, comfortable and not ostentatious."

Alice Walton  Heiress to the Wal-Mart fortune, is now the wealthiest woman in the world after Liliane Bettencourt passed away this week. Her vehicle of choice is a 2006 Ford F-150 King Ranch, with a modest price of around $40,000

Not everyone is shallow and materialistic.

[NotMrAverage]

Yes but if he hardly used insulin then it had nothing to do with supplemental insulin.

GH increases insulin levels but at the same time it reduces visceral fat.

Yates hardly had no gut. He said himself he used about 10 iu for his last contest in 97 and it made him bigger all over and ruined his looks. I belive him.

[Simple Simon]

Yates hardly had no gut. He said himself he used about 10 iu for his last contest in 97 and it made him bigger all over and ruined his looks. I belive him.

bearing in mind Yates has been on record many times saying no one was putting in as much effort into winning the Olympia as him, training , diet, rest, living it 24/7 then why would he restrict his dosage of a drug, surely with that mindset and mentality he would be putting in as much as humanly possible.

[ESFitness]

Mark Zuckerberg   is often seen driving a black Acura TSX, a car valued around $30,000. He says he prefers the choice because it's "safe, comfortable and not ostentatious."

Alice Walton  Heiress to the Wal-Mart fortune, is now the wealthiest woman in the world after Liliane Bettencourt passed away this week. Her vehicle of choice is a 2006 Ford F-150 King Ranch, with a modest price of around $40,000

Not everyone is shallow and materialistic.

absolute base model TSX is 30k. 60k w/options, but that's beside the point. you left out a honda Fit, a VW GTI, and, convenient for you to omit, a Pagani Huayra ($1.5 mil+), that were easy finds on google.    oh, and the Walton lady? her dad drove a ford f-series all his lifel so there's that.

when you're worth $30+ billion, much less $60 billion, driving a Honda Fit is just as vain as driving a Bentley Mulsanne. In palp alto, where Mark lives, $60k E-class wouldn't stand out one bit. benz's are some of the about the safest cars o the market if not the safest. being designed for autobahn and all...

[MAXX]

To answer the OP question. Yes it did.


here is an example of a bb'er who hasn't started slin, yet atleast..

when you have followed bb for a while you can see a distinct difference when a bb'er starts using slin.

[hipolito mejia]

Calum Von &guy ( sp? )

Is way smarter than may have thought by making a living looking like a modern Arnold and avoiding insulin gut.

I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes the most popular bodybuilder in the industry.

[dj181]

To answer the OP question. Yes it did.


here is an example of a bb'er who hasn't started slin, yet atleast..

when you have followed bb for a while you can see a distinct difference when a bb'er starts using slin.

if you are talking pure aesthetics there comes a point where you start to lose it, even when it's in the form of lean dry muscle

case in point is francis benefetto

he looked out-fucking-standing @ 175 or so after that he got bigger with lean tissue only and his aesthetics lessened

same thing with King Zane

[sceagacros]

I too have heard Yates' claims that he "tried but didn't like so never really used" insulin , Occam's razor (and Yates gut) says "That's a lie"

[Spike]

It’s funny how blackstone has that supplemt that is made to look like an insulin bottle



But it would come down to something simple




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[rocket]

I too have heard Yates' claims that he "tried but didn't like so never really used" insulin , Occam's razor (and Yates gut) says "That's a lie"

Insulin isn't the only way to get a musclegut, though - right?

[sceagacros]

Insulin isn't the only way to get a musclegut, though - right?

It's speculation on my part (as well as everyone else's for that matter) but the GH was in use prior to the guts appearing, the  differences
(as far as I can tell) are the slin and the "scale weight at all costs" mentality, as some one else put it. Of course I could be wrong , but this is GetBig where bro opinion can be boldly asserted as fact without evidence , which I'm doing..............

[Griffith]

It's speculation on my part (as well as everyone else's for that matter) but the GH was in use prior to the guts appearing, the  differences
(as far as I can tell) are the slin and the "scale weight at all costs" mentality, as some one else put it. Of course I could be wrong , but this is GetBig where bro opinion can be boldly asserted as fact without evidence , which I'm doing..............

Perhaps the addition of insulin to HGH just emphasized the enlarging gut side effects.

[rocket]

Gorillas have muscleguts - so it does seem to be somewhat par for the course of extreme muscularity.

[sceagacros]

Gorillas have muscleguts - so it does seem to be somewhat par for the course of extreme muscularity.

Interesting point, Never thought of that.

[dj181]

It's speculation on my part (as well as everyone else's for that matter) but the GH was in use prior to the guts appearing, the  differences
(as far as I can tell) are the slin and the "scale weight at all costs" mentality, as some one else put it. Of course I could be wrong , but this is GetBig where bro opinion can be boldly asserted as fact without evidence , which I'm doing..............

it seems to be the combo of slin, over feeding and higher doses of gh (ie. over 4 ius)

[Griffith]

Gorillas have muscleguts - so it does seem to be somewhat par for the course of extreme muscularity.

But not with anabolic steroids alone.

It only became visible from the years Yates started winning.