Did insulin ruin bodybuilding?

[MAXX]

Gorillas have muscleguts - so it does seem to be somewhat par for the course of extreme muscularity.

no that has to do with being plant eaters for the most part. so their digestive system has evolved to be large. Just like for other large plant eaters like cows for example.

[Pet shop boys]

Bodybuilding is the muscle






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[ESFitness]

You can still get the bodybuilders distended abdomen without insulin and/or GH. Look at Craig Titus. Distended abdomen even before he started using GH or insulin and even with GH and insulin you was never a high dose guy (with those drugs at least). Aside from Milos, Bostin Loyd, or Kovacs, CT was the biggest user of anabolics I've ever known or been aware of.

[Coach is Back!]

.....yes. Thanks Milos.

[Van_Bilderass]

.....yes. Thanks Milos.

In your opinion, did Milos ruin his own physique with insulin? Was he one of the insulin casualties?

[Simple Simon]

You can still get the bodybuilders distended abdomen without insulin and/or GH. Look at Craig Titus. Distended abdomen even before he started using GH or insulin and even with GH and insulin you was never a high dose guy (with those drugs at least). Aside from Milos, Bostin Loyd, or Kovacs, CT was the biggest user of anabolics I've ever known or been aware of.

what caused yours?

[Coach is Back!]

In your opinion, did Milos ruin his own physique with insulin? Was he one of the insulin casualties?

No, he had a great physique. But he's the one introduced insulin to Bodybuilding. I don't know how long you've been on here but we used to have (he and I) some epic battles that even carried to an argument (we were on the phone) in front of my old gym, MetRx. We argued and debated for about :30-:40 min.

[Ropo]

Gorillas have muscleguts - so it does seem to be somewhat par for the course of extreme muscularity.

Never wonder why? "An adult male gorilla may consume more than 18 kg (40 lbs.) of vegetation per day."..

Have you seen that belly after Gorilla has been on diet for the competition like couple of months? When it's body fat is in single digits? How about "bodybuilders"?

[Van_Bilderass]

No, he had a great physique. But he's the one introduced insulin to Bodybuilding. I don't know how long you've been on here but we used to have (he and I) some epic battles that even carried to an argument (we were on the phone) in front of my old gym, MetRx. We argued and debated for about :30-:40 min.

I've been here a long time. In fact Milos called me Van Buildthatass on here. I argued with him too  

But my point is, insulin doesn't automatically ruin a physique quickly. Milos used insulin year round for years.
Insulin is not an altogether evil hormone like you seem to believe. Insulin is also not just stimulated by carbs like the keto-zealots believe, leucine rich quick proteins like whey release more insulin than white bread for example.

Milos did ruin his physique, but with oil.

[Griffith]

I've been here a long time. In fact Milos called me Van Buildthatass on here. I argued with him too  

But my point is, insulin doesn't automatically ruin a physique quickly. Milos used insulin year round for years.
Insulin is not an altogether evil hormone like you seem to believe. Insulin is also not just stimulated by carbs like the keto-zealots believe, leucine rich quick proteins like whey release more insulin than white bread for example.

Milos did ruin his physique, but with oil.

And when insulin is combined with HGH? A bit of a coincidence that when these drugs became prominent, so did the distended guts. And started about the time Yates started winning..

[Van_Bilderass]

And when insulin is combined with HGH? A bit of a coincidence that when these drugs became prominent, so did the distended guts. And started about the time Yates started winning..

Both drugs can definitely contribute to it as can steroids.
But Coach is always crying about insulin always being so bad. It depends on how it's used and whatever else you are doing drug and food wise at the same time. There are a lot of aesthetic vacuum-sporting guys using it as well.

For example, if you elevate insulin slightly during a 2 hour window around workouts it's unlikely to wreck you.

[NotMrAverage]

I've been here a long time. In fact Milos called me Van Buildthatass on here. I argued with him too  

But my point is, insulin doesn't automatically ruin a physique quickly. Milos used insulin year round for years.
Insulin is not an altogether evil hormone like you seem to believe. Insulin is also not just stimulated by carbs like the keto-zealots believe, leucine rich quick proteins like whey release more insulin than white bread for example.

Milos did ruin his physique, but with oil.

Van_buildthatass :-)

You're great buddy :-)

[njflex]

I've been here a long time. In fact Milos called me Van Buildthatass on here. I argued with him too  

But my point is, insulin doesn't automatically ruin a physique quickly. Milos used insulin year round for years.
Insulin is not an altogether evil hormone like you seem to believe. Insulin is also not just stimulated by carbs like the keto-zealots believe, leucine rich quick proteins like whey release more insulin than white bread for example.

Milos did ruin his physique, but with oil.

YES,,HE STATED ON HERE VERY ANABOLIC COMPOUND,HE WAS WELL VERSED IN ITS USAGE YOU COULD SAY..OIL ASIDE A PHENOMINAL BUILD...

[falco]

Yet the biggest users of insulin, by,& anabolics has one of the best midsections in the sport.

Milos

Mishko might have been one of the first mainstreamers of insulin usage in bb, but i bet he was experimenting with small dosages.
Modern pro's abuse it alot more, that's for sure.

[ESFitness]

Mishko might have been one of the first mainstreamers of insulin usage in bb, but i bet he was experimenting with small dosages.
Modern pro's abuse it alot more, that's for sure.

Not true. If I was using 45-602iu/day in 99-2000, how much do you think he was using along with high dose gh? You can use a lot more insulin with gh because it increases insulin resistance.

[Simple Simon]

Not true. If I was using 45-602iu/day in 99-2000, how much do you think he was using along with high dose gh? You can use a lot more insulin with gh because it increases insulin resistance.

seriously mate you need to stop writing this stuff, it just makes you look more of a dick every single time.

All gear and no idea...

[ESFitness]

seriously mate you need to stop writing this stuff, it just makes you look more of a dick every single time.

All gear and no idea...

How bout you start writing shit that's irrelevant to the threads you're posting in and make a fucking attempt to contribute something aside from your incessant trolling.

[Simple Simon]

How bout you start writing shit that's irrelevant to the threads you're posting in and make a fucking attempt to contribute something aside from your incessant trolling.

OK...insulin and GH ruined bodybuilding, it also contributed to your huge gut.

[Van_Bilderass]

Mishko might have been one of the first mainstreamers of insulin usage in bb, but i bet he was experimenting with small dosages.
Modern pro's abuse it alot more, that's for sure.

I don't know about that. Milos was doing and advicing about 20iu Humalog before and sometimes after workouts. He trained twice daily. Chad Nicholls claimed his athletes around '00 were only doing about 20iu of "R" split up one day per week. Sometimes 2 days per week, and never really during prep. And his guys like Ronnie and Kamali were gut monsters. Recently Kamali said their gut issues were due to a monstrous food intake during carb up.

Remember that dealer to some pros who killed himself who used to post here? Forgot his name. Anyway he posted on here that he never heard of any pro doing more than 10iu a day. That was a bit strange.

Recently there's been talk about Lantus use on the forums. Some claim guys at Oxygen are using it a lot but one guy I know who prepped there never heard of Lantus before I mentioned it. Jordan Peters supposedly said there are no top pros using long acting insulins, he was doing 100iu of Humalog under Milos when pushing 300lbs.

Combining Lantus and Humalog or Novolog one can pretty easily do a couple of hundred iu a day. This can wreck a physique but with short blasts you get insanely full   What many don't understand is that doses like 10 or 20iu you are still very much in normal physiological range, few have really pushed to supraphysiological range  

If someone here knows of lantus use among pros let's hear it.

[HTexan]

PED abuse. Not use but abuse.

[Griffith]

PED abuse. Not use but abuse.

Though HGH and insulin seem to have the most exaggerated effect, huge guts, changing of facial bones and skull, enlarging hands and feet, and a glossy donut glaze and more puffy look.

[ESFitness]

OK...insulin and GH ruined bodybuilding, it also contributed to your huge gut.

My huge gut? Bwahaha

[Simple Simon]

My huge gut? Bwahaha

and thats a flattering one

[ESFitness]

Lol while pulling shoulders back after standing up off a bench lol

[Simple Simon]

Lol while pulling shoulders back after standing up off a bench lol

post a better one

I actually think that's probably the best you have ever looked...