Using the 25th amendment to remove Pres Trump?

[Howard]

There has been some talk about using the 25th amendment to remove Pres Trump from office.
As I understand it, his cabinet has to vote and get a majority to say he's unfit for the office.
THEN both houses in congress have to vote on it before he's removed.

I'm not a Trump supporter and didn't vote for the man.
BUT, using the 25th amendment should require a very high standard before it's used.
I'm convinced the standard is very high, and it should be.
If not, a dangerous  precedent could be set for every future president.

I'll admit, I'd love to see Trump resign and have Pence ascend to the Presidency.
But I'd be uncomfortable with removing him via this method.
Unless he's totally bat shit loony, he's the POTUS.

[Coach is Back!]

There has been some talk about using the 25th amendment to remove Pres Trump from office.
As I understand it, his cabinet has to vote and get a majority to say he's unfit for the office.
THEN both houses in congress have to vote on it before he's removed.

I'm not a Trump supporter and didn't vote for the man.
BUT, using the 25th amendment should require a very high standard before it's used.
I'm convinced the standard is very high, and it should be.
If not, a dangerous  precedent could be set for every future president.

I'll admit, I'd love to see Trump resign and have Pence ascend to the Presidency.
But I'd be uncomfortable with removing him via this method.
Unless he's totally bat shit loony, he's the POTUS.

So you read the article this morning and you're going with it. Tell my for what reasons you would have to remove? Economy going too well? More people are working? The UE just went down again? Bringing companies that left the US back here? Give me something logical.

[Straw Man]

So you read the article this morning and you're going with it. Tell my for what reasons you would have to remove? Economy going too well? More people are working? The UE just went down again? Bringing companies that left the US back here? Give me something logical.

Yeah, he should be more like you and only read the headline (and not even understand it like you did with the Labor Participation #) and then go with it.

It's become more obvious on a daily basis that Trump is unfit for the office and a danger to the national security of OUR country

I don't expect an Trumptard such as yourself to ever be able to comprehend that

[Las Vegas]

They need something more than "We just HATE that guy!" but who knows in this twisted climate.  Everything's a lie these days, anyway, so why not just do what you want.  That's probably how they see it.

[Howard]

So you read the article this morning and you're going with it. Tell my for what reasons you would have to remove? Economy going too well? More people are working? The UE just went down again? Bringing companies that left the US back here? Give me something logical.

No offense Coach, but it's obvious you didn't read my post/thread.

[Howard]

Yeah, he should be more like you and only read the headline (and not even understand it like you did with the Labor Participation #) and then go with it.

It's become more obvious on a daily basis that Trump is unfit for the office and a danger to the national security of OUR country

I don't expect an Trumptard such as yourself to ever be able to comprehend that

Obviously, I don't LIKE what I hear coming from the White House lately.
BUT, he is the elected POTUS and there needs to be a very high standard of crazy to remove him from office.

I don't think we should do this for political reasons.
It should only be used IF Trump's a genuine threat to the survival of the nation ( aka nuclear war)

[Las Vegas]

Obviously, I don't LIKE what I hear coming from the White House lately.
BUT, he is the elected POTUS and there needs to be a very high standard of crazy to remove him from office.

I don't think we should do this for political reasons.
It should only be used IF Trump's a genuine threat to the survival of the nation ( aka nuclear war)

Hope he's been very careful about getting lured into conversations and going off as though he's at an 80s dinner party in NYC (where his mind seems to be permanently stuck).

[Straw Man]

They need something more than "We just HATE that guy!" but who knows in this twisted climate.  Everything's a lie these days, anyway, so why not just do what you want.  That's probably how they see it.

it's got nothing to do with "we hate you"

it's exists so the cabinet (principal officers of the executive department) declare him to be "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office".

Being mentally and emotionally unstable would be cause for deeming his unable to discharges the powers and duties of  his office.

Amendment XXV

Section 1.

In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2.

Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3.

Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

[Coach is Back!]

Yeah, he should be more like you and only read the headline (and not even understand it like you did with the Labor Participation #) and then go with it.

It's become more obvious on a daily basis that Trump is unfit for the office and a danger to the national security of OUR country

I don't expect an Trumptard such as yourself to ever be able to comprehend that

You're still having a hard time with this, dimwit?

[Straw Man]

You're still having a hard time with this, dimwit?

you were never able to answer why you thought 63.1% was a big deal

care to try now?

go back and look at your post

You clearly read the headline of the story and rushed to post it without actually understanding it

[Coach is Back!]

They need something more than "We just HATE that guy!" but who knows in this twisted climate.  Everything's a lie these days, anyway, so why not just do what you want.  That's probably how they see it.

And this is what boils down too. He's an outsider that came in and is promising to do what he said. He's going after the establishment and career politicians like he said and can't handle it. To me that show incompetence of them, not Trump. The only mental cases are those that want to keep the status quo and either get nothing done (like they're preventing Trump to do) or take down America like Obama and the left wants. Outsider comes along and disrupts any of that, they "progressives" from the left or the right will try to take anyone down.  

[Coach is Back!]

you were never able to answer why you thought 63.1% was a big deal

care to try now?

go back and look at your post

You clearly read the headline of the story and rushed to post it without actually understanding it

You're boring me...go away.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/unemployment-claims-fall-to-lowest-level-in-43-years-despite-hurricanes/article/2637266

[Las Vegas]

Like I said, be careful of unsolicited conversation.  Trump needs to learn when to be quiet, for sure.

I get what you mean, Straw.

[Las Vegas]

And this is what boils down too. He's an outsider that came in and is promising to do what he said. He's going after the establishment and career politicians like he said and can't handle it. To me that show incompetence of them, not Trump. The only mental cases are those that want to keep the status quo and either get nothing done (like they're preventing Trump to do) or take down America like Obama and the left wants. Outsider comes along and disrupts any of that, they "progressives" from the left or the right will try to take anyone down.  

Oh, I know.  But imo it only means he should learn to be very careful.  Idk if he's capable of it, though.

[Straw Man]

You're boring me...go away.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/unemployment-claims-fall-to-lowest-level-in-43-years-despite-hurricanes/article/2637266

I can't believe you fell for this FAKE NEWS

Since you're so excited about the 63.1% Labor Participation Rate last month just wondering why you didn't make a thread about it when Obama had months in a row at 65%+ or 64%+

Seems like you should have been even more excited about those numbers than Trumps paltry 63.1%

[Soul Crusher]

How about you fools win an election and don't run a pos like Hillary? 

[Las Vegas]

How about you fools win an election and don't run a pos like Hillary? 

And quit secretly derailing anyone who might successfully challenge her from the inside.

[Dos Equis]

This is just as ridiculous as the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory. 

[Las Vegas]

This is just as ridiculous as the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory. 

Based on what we know, 100% agreed.  It's dumb.

[Straw Man]

This is just as ridiculous as the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory. 

Based on what we know, 100% agreed.  It's dumb.

Steven Bannon thinks there's only a 30% chance that Trump completes his first term

Washington (CNN)Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon has privately confided that he believes President Donald Trump only has a 30% chance of completing his full term, a source told Vanity Fair.

According to two of Vanity Fair's sources with knowledge of the conversation, Bannon warned Trump several months ago that the biggest threat to his presidency is not impeachment by Congress, but the 25th Amendment -- which could allow his Cabinet to vote to remove him.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/11/politics/donald-trump-steve-bannon-vanity-fair/index.html

[Las Vegas]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/11/politics/donald-trump-steve-bannon-vanity-fair/index.html

I may be a little slow on the draw today.  How did he decide on the figure of 30?

[Primemuscle]

So you read the article this morning and you're going with it. Tell my for what reasons you would have to remove? Economy going too well? More people are working? The UE just went down again? Bringing companies that left the US back here? Give me something logical.

There have been many articles suggesting that removing Trump from office is a possibility.

"Bannon has told people he thinks Trump has only a 30 percent chance of making it the full term." The Slatest, October 11, 2017

"TRUMP OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE IN RUSSIA INVESTIGATION AND COULD BE IMPEACHED, NEW THINK TANK REPORT CLAIMS" Newsweek, 10/10/17

"Trump’s critics are actively exploring the path to impeachment or the invocation of the Twenty-fifth Amendment, which allows for the replacement of a President who is judged to be mentally unfit." The New Yorker, 5/8/17

"In recent days, I’ve spoken with a half dozen prominent Republicans and Trump advisers, and they all describe a White House in crisis as advisers struggle to contain a president who seems to be increasingly unfocused and consumed by dark moods." BY GABRIEL SHERMAN, OCTOBER 11, 2017

"Told about the 25th Amendment, Trump reportedly asked, ‘What’s that?’" Steve Benen, 10/12/17

"But let’s have some straight talk: A Trump impeachment is only a remote possibility, and promoting it now doesn’t do anyone any good. In fact, if Trump is removed before his first term is over, it’s far more likely to happen via the 25th Amendment — in other words, it’ll be Republicans who do the deed." The Washington Post, October 12

[Howard]

This is just as ridiculous as the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory. 

I guess Bob Mueller is your fairy godmother?

[Howard]

And this is what boils down too. He's an outsider that came in and is promising to do what he said. He's going after the establishment and career politicians like he said and can't handle it. To me that show incompetence of them, not Trump. The only mental cases are those that want to keep the status quo and either get nothing done (like they're preventing Trump to do) or take down America like Obama and the left wants. Outsider comes along and disrupts any of that, they "progressives" from the left or the right will try to take anyone down.  

1. If you actually read my post, you'd know I believe we should only use the 25th for VERY good cause.
They need to show clearly that Trump is crazy before we get to removing him on this basis.

2. The problem with being a total GOV outsider is his total lack of experience.
Politics aside it's tough to do any job efficiently without some experience.
This is why he's such a tough time getting anything thru congress, despite a majority in both parts.

3. Unlike you Coach, I admit it when either political team scores points.

[Las Vegas]

Yeah, I just now read a bunch of that stuff, and will say that a "reporter" who claims to have had fantastical conversations with unknown individuals who may be imaginary for all I know, makes me consider other things.