Drugs vs Genetics

[ilalin]

A lot of people have 'unbalanced' bodies, long legs, short torso or opposite and so on. So, balanced is number 1.
Also, like previously mentioned, size of joints and so on.
Finally the most important thing is, are you able to concentrate on gaining muscle with the help of anabolics - constant training, eating, minimal alcohol. poking around the clock and all the other shit that comes with it.
It's actually pretty hard work...
Is it worth it?

Only you can answer that.
 

[dj181]

Tell that to Sergio Oliva. Too bad he is dead.

emmm, he was never bone dry ripped at a dry 4%

if he hit that condition he would weigh not much more than 2 bills

in the famous AJ pic of him he weighed 233, but he was fat and wet

bone dry @ 4% 210 MAX

[BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT]

emmm, he was never bone dry ripped at a dry 4%

if he hit that condition he would weigh not much more than 2 bills

in the famous AJ pic of him he weighed 233, but he was fat and wet

bone dry @ 4% 210 MAX

Whatever you say chief.....

[denarii]

If you have Olympia top 10 genetics I don't think you need much to become pro. Then you take pro doses and end up in top 10.
If you have shit genetics then you have no chance eitherway

[dj181]

Whatever you say chief.....

lulz

look at those wet legs

thats not even 6%

here let me help you with this

p.s. check the wheels

[mazrim]

Can anyone become a monster, etc.? Yes. Can anyone actually achieve a timeless physique? No. Kind of depends on your definition really. Will you be satisfied with your look/keep your look as you grow? That is genetics really, but to achieve pro status in todays day and age it is basically drugs as there are tons of guys who look like junk but are pros. I'm tired so hopefully that makes sense.

[dj181]

Can anyone become a monster, etc.? Yes. Can anyone actually achieve a timeless physique? No. Kind of depends on your definition really. Will you be satisfied with your look/keep your look as you grow? That is genetics really, but to achieve pro status in todays day and age it is basically drugs as there are tons of guys who look like junk but are pros. I'm tired so hopefully that makes sense.

if you wanna be a mass monster then the anabolic matrix is the key

[che]

Genetics is 80% of the equation at the very least.

  drugs are 80% genetics 20% ,you will never get an IFBB pro card without drugs even if you have the best genetics in the world , but you can get a Pro card with ton of drugs and subpar genetics

[BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT]

lulz

look at those wet legs

thats not even 6%

here let me help you with this

p.s. check the wheels

Yep...and Munzer is dead due to being an idiot who abused it all and takes cycles that you worship.

[Cableguy]

Cool you built a great body without gear. But genetics is not all about muscle insertions. How you respond to gear is very induvidual and definitly very important. Never heard anyone except van bilderass discuss this fact really.

I wouldn't say great, but better than average. At 55 it's even harder. At 5'7 I'm 185 right now. I need to be about 160 to have decent abs. A couple of more months hopefully!

And yes, I agree that drug response is very genetic as well. Levrone is a prime example of an extreme responder. Although I wouldn't know how I would respond personally, having never done gear.

[tres_taco_combo]

A lot of people have 'unbalanced' bodies, long legs, short torso or opposite and so on. So, balanced is number 1.
Also, like previously mentioned, size of joints and so on.
Finally the most important thing is, are you able to concentrate on gaining muscle with the help of anabolics - constant training, eating, minimal alcohol. poking around the clock and all the other shit that comes with it.
It's actually pretty hard work...
Is it worth it?

Only you can answer that.
 

add in posing.... you can be jacked and cut and bee knees but posing too.  i need to spend more time on that

[Bevo]

drugs are 80% genetics 20% ,you will never get an IFBB pro card without drugs even if you have the best genetics in the world , but you can get a Pro card with ton of drugs and subpar genetics

Yep pretty much

In today’s pro bbing looks like anyone can turn pro

[Simple Simon]

drugs are 80% genetics 20% ,you will never get an IFBB pro card without drugs even if you have the best genetics in the world , but you can get a Pro card with ton of drugs and subpar genetics

genetics includes response to drugs, anyone just cant take drugs and develop a world class physique, some people just dont respond no matter how many drugs they take.

[BSN]

Especially in the arms, legs area..  If you don't have good genetics there, you can not do miracles, even as pro bb.

[Bevo]

Especially in the arms, legs area..  If you don't have good genetics there, you can not do miracles, even as pro bb.

Didn’t stop Dorian from winning multiple O’s and his arms suck in comparison to his competitors

So yes you can win shoes over more genetically gifted guys like flex, Kevin, etc.

After all bbing is a subjective “sport”

Blow enough judges in the mirage hotel you can

How do you explain guys like Kevin English winning the first 202 Olympia hahaha

[AbrahamG]

Didn’t stop Dorian from winning multiple O’s and his arms suck in comparison to his competitors

So yes you can win shoes over more genetically gifted guys like flex, Kevin, etc.

After all bbing is a subjective “sport”

Blow enough judges in the mirage hotel you can

How do you explain guys like Kevin English winning the first 202 Olympia hahaha

Kevin English is one of the most hideous looking bag of smashed assholes the bodybuilding world has ever seen.

[BSN]

^^
Dorian had good arms before biceps injury (and his triceps shot was really amazing next to others),  clearly better arms than Haney about nobody talks ..

[Primemuscle]

I got a question for the board.

Do you think the only thing holding you back from becoming pro status is drugs and commitment?

ie, genetics secondary?

Genetics are primary.

[dj181]

^^
Dorian had good arms before biceps injury (and his triceps shot was really amazing next to others),  clearly better arms than Haney about nobody talks ..

they both had bad arms

all torso with dorian being back dominate and haney being more chest dominate

[BSN]

Yates > arms, legs, back in overall details
Haney > waist and chest

[dj181]

Yates > arms, legs, back in details
Haney > waist and chest

yates and arms lulz

all back and ok legs

[illuminati]

yates and arms lulz

all back and ok legs

  Says the pipe cleaner arm man.
Remind us All how many competitions & Olympias you've won........













Were waiting...............

[The Scott]

If it was just drugs and drive, there would be THOUSANDS of mass monsters walking around.

So says the self-proclaimed ass monster of the board.

As for the OP's question, yes.  Drugs are the key but what door is opened with them is based upon a few factors of which genetic ability is a primary one.  Genetic ability to respond to drug protocols is a biggie as are the length and shape of muscle bellies.  Bone structure is another.  Perhaps the most overlooked is the genetic ability to abuse oneself without dying.

Just ask Dallas McCarver.

Anyone that claims drugs are not the key need only look at the hideous sHebeasts that Hippo & Herne adore to see that the are in fact, the primary ingredient in the slimordial soup  that drives this pastime.

[illuminati]

So says the self-proclaimed ass monster of the board.

As for the OP's question, yes.  Drugs are the key but what door is opened with them is based upon a few factors of which genetic ability is a primary one.  Genetic ability to respond to drug protocols is a biggie as are the length and shape of muscle bellies.  Bone structure is another.  Perhaps the most overlooked is the genetic ability to abuse oneself without dying.

Just ask Dallas McCarver.

Anyone that claims drugs are not the key need only look at the hideous sHebeasts that Hippo & Herne adore to see that the are in fact, the primary ingredient in the slimordial soup  that drives this pastime.

That Fagg@tt Bum Bandit is a self Proclaimed Expert Under another name on this board
or so IT says.

Just ignore IT & maybe IT will Catch aids - Arse injected death sentence - aptly named by some.

[dj181]

  Says the pipe cleaner arm man.
Remind us All how many competitions & Olympias you've won........













Were waiting...............

weight to arm ratio i kick his fucking ass

me: 170-16.5 inch arms

him: 265-17.25 inch arms

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