Texas Church shooting - 27 dead - 30 injured

[Ropo]

No guns ,no shootings

Ok. They ban guns in UK at 1997, and mass murders increase, so there has been about equal amount mass murders between 1900- 1997 than 1997 -2017. You gain nothing by banning guns, so why don't you try to ban morons and imbeciles? When morons don't have guns, they use arson, knifes, baseball bat, what ever to kiil dozens of people. You can't prevent anything by take away a tool, while there is plenty of another tools. Just take a truck and drive in the bunch of people. Arguments of the anti gun morons are childish and stupid, and there is no realism in them at all. By the law you can control only the guns of the law abiding citizens, and these kind of morons who are planning mass murders doesn't give a shit about your laws.

[Ropo]

Could this be another false flag? Supposedly a white person shot and killed conservative white adults and children. Similar to the strange Las Vegas incident. Conservatives are against gun control. How is the Deep State trying to change that? By making them victims of guns to try and change their mind. I would not trust a word of what the MSM is spewing about this. The Las Vegas shooting has so many holes in it. I will not be surprised if this shooting at the church also falls apart.

From one of the comments on Zero Hedge:

"The only proof anyone needs, that ALL of this "terrorism" bullshit is false-flag/psy-op crap, is contained in the following statement:

Notice how the attacks are always on "poor, luck-less schmucks", and NEVER against the institutions, or organizations that are mucking everything up. "The Terrorists" NEVER attack government offices, or financial companies, environmental rapists, etc. Funny how these "crazy Arabs" never attack any Jewish targets, such as temples, yeshivas, the ADL's offices, or AIPAC."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-05/live-feed-witnesses-say-15-people-are-down-after-gunman-opens-fire-texas-church

Of course it was, because everything what happen is USA is part of the conspiracy to kill all of the people in USA. Nothing happens randomly, it is always your government who are killing the people, and next they will be killing all of the tin foil hat morons like you. who make average morons look smart.

[SF1900]

What was this guy's motive?

[Megalodon]

The church appears to record sermons for Youtube, so there may be footage of the attack.


Their channel:

[Ropo]

I think God is testing our faith , blessed are those who trust in the Lord and have made the Lord their hope and confidence

So this moron with his gun was a part of the Gods plan to test your faith, and this is how your God do it? Nice, if you can believe that kind of crap. But if he is all mighty, why all this killing? Why don't he test your faith by just slamming these kind of idiots to the ground by lightning? I bet it would increase people in the church by millions:  "At the moment shooter was rising his weapon, there were a thunder and lightning in the church, and it strike shooter down before he was able to shoot ."..Fuck, after phenomena like that I would go to church and start praying like mad.

[Ropo]

YES HE IS!!

So explain why your lord allow this happen?

[muscleman-2017]

The devil's children are among us.

Don't doubt it.

Joke if you like - it just shows you for the fool you are.

[Ropo]

The devil's children are among us.

Don't doubt it.

Joke if you like - it just shows you for the fool you are.

And as always, we just have to take your word for it...

[Pray_4_War]

What was this guy's motive?

We'll never know because the media won't investigate the motive.  He was a white gun owner and that's good enough for them. 

Trump probably had something to do with it....or Russia.  Yeah, Trump and Russia probably colluded and as a result, this happened.  Something about white privilege and the patriarchy too.

The solution is to import millions of hostile, unemployable mooslims and take guns away from law abiding Americans.  Yes, let the moolims rape our women and cut our heads off.....or run us over with trucks.

[werewolf operative]

What was this guy's motive?

Revenge on the ex wife. Friends and family of hers are members of the church. This has nothing to do with religion or politics.

DD from air force for domestic violence, worked security at water park.

Another beta loser.

Libs & coons outraged Paddock & Kelley aren't called "terrorists".

[macaumuscle]

Revenge on the ex wife. Friends and family of hers are members of the church. This has nothing to do with religion or politics.

DD from air force for domestic violence, worked security at water park.

Another beta loser.

Libs & coons outraged Paddock & Kelley aren't called "terrorists".

great screenname, 10/10,.....need to work on my future gimmick names after seeing yours

[Thin Lizzy]

Revenge on the ex wife. Friends and family of hers are members of the church. This has nothing to do with religion or politics.

DD from air force for domestic violence, worked security at water park.

Another beta loser.

Libs & coons outraged Paddock & Kelley aren't called "terrorists".

It sounded like a local beef from the start. A guy from the area targeting a particular little church.

Ok. They ban guns in UK at 1997, and mass murders increase, so there has been about equal amount mass murders between 1900- 1997 than 1997 -2017. You gain nothing by banning guns, so why don't you try to ban morons and imbeciles? When morons don't have guns, they use arson, knifes, baseball bat, what ever to kiil dozens of people. You can't prevent anything by take away a tool, while there is plenty of another tools. Just take a truck and drive in the bunch of people. Arguments of the anti gun morons are childish and stupid, and there is no realism in them at all. By the law you can control only the guns of the law abiding citizens, and these kind of morons who are planning mass murders doesn't give a shit about your laws.

Before 911, in New York the biggest mass killing was some guy with a gallon of gas who set a nightclub on fire.

[Conker]

what a surprise didn't see this coming? 

of course has nothing to do with lack of gun control once again. it's just a mental health issue 


bunch of fkin idiots

[Thin Lizzy]

what a surprise didn't see this coming?  

of course has nothing to do with lack of gun control once again. it's just a mental health issue  


bunch of fkin idiots

Funny how you didn’t show up when the Muzzie mowed down people in New York with a rented truck.


We’re also still waiting for your strategy on how to get guns off the street in Chicago where they have very strict gun laws:



Violent weekend leaves 11 dead as city marks 500 homicides - Chicago Tribune

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-homicides-20170918-story.html

[werewolf operative]

great screenname, 10/10,.....need to work on my future gimmick names after seeing yours

Not a gimmick...

[werewolf operative]

what a surprise didn't see this coming?  

of course has nothing to do with lack of gun control once again. it's just a mental health issue  


bunch of fkin idiots

I think you should be quiet...

[Super Natural]

“If you are for gun control, then you are not against guns, because the guns will be needed to disarm people. So it’s not that you are anti-gun. You’ll need the police’s guns to take away other people’s guns. So you’re very pro-gun; you just believe that only the Government (which is, of course, so reliable, honest, moral and virtuous…) should be allowed to have guns. There is no such thing as gun control. There is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small political elite and their minions.”

― Stefan Molyneux

[werewolf operative]

[phreak]

Babyslayer looking trim.

[zedzedeleven]

Just out of curiosity, how many people do you think never got shot because they themselves had a gun? I mean, if you are in a church praying and someone opens up with an assault rifle what chance have you got? Same as if you are in a crowded disco or a packed bar, having a gun will not save you. In some circumstances being armed might, say if you were involved in a traffic incident and someone took exception to your driving, they approach you with a big iron bar in their hand, you pull out your gun and off they go. mebbe. might return with a bigger gun than yours of course.

[Pray_4_War]

Just out of curiosity, how many people do you think never got shot because they themselves had a gun? I mean, if you are in a church praying and someone opens up with an assault rifle what chance have you got? Same as if you are in a crowded disco or a packed bar, having a gun will not save you. In some circumstances being armed might, say if you were involved in a traffic incident and someone took exception to your driving, they approach you with a big iron bar in their hand, you pull out your gun and off they go. mebbe. might return with a bigger gun than yours of course.

You are wrong and I'm sure most of your life choices up to this point have been wrong.  A good example was creating this gimmick account.  That was also wrong and you should feel bad.  As it relates to guns and gunfights it's obvious that you are discussing something that you have no experience with and don't understand.  Fortunately, reality isn't forced to fit into the tiny sphere of things that make sense to you.  Some people do understand guns.  Some people are trained and capable of fighting with a gun.  People defending themselves and their fellow citizens with guns happens all the time all over the world.  Look at the church shooting, a guy who was allegedly 80 years old shot at the suspect and made him flee.

With the Las Vegas shooting there was nothing you could do because the shooter was firing from a distant elevated position.  Even if you had a capable weapon, the training to use it, and you spotted the bad guy...you couldn't return fire because you'd likely hit innocent people in the rooms near where the shooter was.  The church situation was different.  The fat kid couldn't engage all 50 church goers at once.  A person with the correct skills could draw and put shots on target quickly.  It would be difficult but it could be done.  You'd need skill and a little luck.  This fat shit wasn't looking to get into a gun fight, as soon as someone shot at him he took off.  People like him want to shoot defenseless people.  It doesn't take much to stop them because they are cowards.

[phreak]

You are wrong and I'm sure most of your life choices up to this point have been wrong.  A good example was creating this gimmick account.  That was also wrong and you should feel bad.  As it relates to guns and gunfights it's obvious that you are discussing something that you have no experience with and don't understand.  Fortunately, reality isn't forced to fit into the tiny sphere of things that make sense to you.  Some people do understand guns.  Some people are trained and capable of fighting with a gun.  People defending themselves and their fellow citizens with guns happens all the time all over the world.  Look at the church shooting, a guy who was allegedly 80 years old shot at the suspect and made him flee.

With the Las Vegas shooting there was nothing you could do because the shooter was firing from a distant elevated position.  Even if you had a capable weapon, the training to use it, and you spotted the bad guy...you couldn't return fire because you'd likely hit innocent people in the rooms near where the shooter was.  The church situation was different.  The fat kid couldn't engage all 50 church goers at once.  A person with the correct skills could draw and put shots on target quickly.  It would be difficult but it could be done.  You'd need skill and a little luck.  This fat shit wasn't looking to get into a gun fight, as soon as someone shot at him he took off.  People like him want to shoot defenseless people.  It doesn't take much to stop them because they are cowards.

I'm as murderous as the next guy, probably much more so, but you have to admit that the percentage of people who can do anything well under extreme pressure is minimal. The vast majority would still cower or freeze in this church scenario, no matter how much training they've had or how well armed they are. Nobody knows what they would do unless they've been through it before.

[Pray_4_War]

I'm as murderous as the next guy, probably much more so, but you have to admit that the percentage of people who can do anything well under extreme pressure is minimal. The vast majority would still cower or freeze in this church scenario, no matter how much training they've had or how well armed they are. Nobody knows what they would do unless they've been through it before.

You are absolutely right.  However, we shouldn't let people pretend it's impossible to defend ourselves and use that as an excuse to restrict our God given right to do so.

Like I said, look at today, the guy who shot at the killer was 80 fucking years old and he effectively stopped the rampage (according to reports).

[phreak]

You are absolutely right.  However, we shouldn't let people pretend it's impossible to defend ourselves and use that as an excuse to restrict our God given right to do so.

Like I said, look at today, the guy who shot at the killer was 80 fucking years old and he effectively stopped the rampage (according to reports).

Can we agree that firearm training (especially for concealed carry) should also include stress testing?

[Pray_4_War]

Can we agree that firearm training (especially for concealed carry) should also include stress testing?

Yes, totally agree.  Calmly, slowing shooting at paper targets is not the same thing as training to fight with a firearm.

Fortunately, there are a growing number of places that will provide people with real world tactical training.  Much more in depth than a basic CCW course that does incorporate simulated stress.

Still no way to know for sure how you will react when bullets start flying for real.