Texas Church shooting - 27 dead - 30 injured

[Shizzo]

Is this an attack on religion? Was he trying to send a message?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Poverty AR-15, poverty optic.  My rifle laughs at this entry level rubbish.

I don't think the church members laughed.  He gave a sermon that will never be forgotten....hit on all the bullet points as well....

[SF1900]

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The shooters ex's in-laws just revealed that the shooter has been threatening them for quite some time. The day of the shooting, the shooter sent the ex in-laws a threatening text; these in-laws go to the church where the shooting occurred. I suspect he thought they were going to be attending church that morning.

[Twaddle]

It's my goddamn right!

[LittleJ]

Europeans tend to have a fascination with American violence but for some reason have no interest in the details:

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/year-end-2016-enforcement-report.pdf

The race/ethnicity of known Shooting suspects is most frequently Black (70.7%). Hispanic suspects accounted for an additional (26.9%) of all suspects. White suspects (1.9%) and Asian/Pacific Islander suspects (0.6%) accounted for the remaining portion of known Shooting suspects.

Hi Matt C

[mazrim]

Hi Matt C

Great job refuting!

[BodyMachine]

Not a domestic terrorist? Blimey

[werewolf operative]

Hi Matt C

[Parker]

get rid of the guns. it's not fkin rocket science. have an amnesty, possibly 2 years or whatever. government buys the guns back after that period 10 year mandatory prison for illegal possession of a firearm.


they did it in australia following a similar massacre and it has worked very well.

Did you read that post that explained the whole anti-gun logic? How do you intend to get rid of more guns than American people? Use force? Well, that means use guns. Who has the guns, the police and military. And many members of LE and military are gun owners, as well as their family members. So, you want them to be on board with this as well? And what about the criminals? So, basically you are suggesting that only the people in power have guns, as well as the criminals..

Australia and America have a different culture, different history, you know what with the whole Revolutionary War, Civil War, and a massive military industrial complex.. What work there, definitely won't work here.

[Conker]

Did you read that post that explained the whole anti-gun logic? How do you intend to get rid of more guns than American people? Use force? Well, that means use guns. Who has the guns, the police and military. And many members of LE and military are gun owners, as well as their family members. So, you want them to be on board with this as well? And what about the criminals? So, basically you are suggesting that only the people in power have guns, as well as the criminals..

Australia and America have a different culture, different history, you know what with the whole Revolutionary War, Civil War, and a massive military industrial complex.. What work there, definitely won't work here.

lol you people really love playing dumb.

"So, basically you are suggesting that only the people in power have guns, as well as the criminals.."

yes that's exactly what i'm saying . this is the model that exists in the rest of the developed world. amazingly it works remarkably well. go look at the murder rates. no random massacres (well very very rarely)

and unless you guys are well stocked with surface to air missiles your guns won't do fk all if those in "power" decide to turn on you. as the good people in philly found out when they were bombed out of their homes. prolly use drones these days.

so that old argument holds zero water.

also australia and the US are actually culturally pretty similar. both countries "founded" by genocidal europeans.

[Megalodon]

Think of all the shootings Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot prevented by confiscating guns. Why is that so hard for people to get? 

[Pray_4_War]

Some info from the recent Tennessee mass shooting that the media doesn't want to discuss.

[SF1900]

I guess a motive was found:

The gunman behind the Texas church massacre killed his grandmother-in-law during the attack, multiple friends of the woman told CNN.

Devin Patrick Kelley had domestic problems and texted his mother-in-law as recently as Sunday morning, not long before he carried out the largest mass shooting in Texas history, authorities said.

"We know that he expressed anger towards his mother-in-law, who attends this church," said Freeman Martin of the Texas Department of Public Safety. He said Kelley had a history of sending her threatening texts.

[SF1900]

I hope the bad guys do take the classes, at least that would be a fair fight.

I'm curious Cucker, what Utopia do you hail from?  Who are your countrymen?

Calm down, Rambo! 

[Pray_4_War]

I love this guy.  Fucking sheepdog.  Also, the guy that shot the fat bodied killer was a 55 year old plummer, he was not 80 years old as previously reported. 

[WalterWhite]

I love this guy.  Fucking sheepdog.  Also, the guy that shot the fat bodied killer was a 55 year old plummer, he was not 80 years old as previously reported. 

(CNN)The deadliest shooting in Texas history could have claimed even more lives if it weren't for a local resident who confronted the gunman, and another man who joined him to chase down the shooter, authorities say.

Stephen Willeford lives next to First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs. After Devin Patrick Kelley opened fire inside the church on Sunday, Willeford heard the commotion, grabbed his own gun, ran out of his house barefoot and confronted the gunman.
"He said he was loading the magazine as fast as he could, he didn't even know how many rounds he had put in the magazine," said Willeford's cousin, Ken Leonard, during an interview with CNN's Brooke Baldwin.
"What do you say to the man who stepped up when he heard the gunshots? I'd say he's a hero," Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt Jr. told CNN's Chris Cuomo on Monday. "I don't think there's any question about that. Had he not done what he did, we could have lost more people." Twenty-six people at the church were slain, and 20 were injured.
Leonard said his cousin shot Kelley in the side and twice in the neck.

"He saw that the guy was wearing body armor, and there was a velcro strap, from the back to the front," explained Leonard, speaking live on Monday. "He knew from that ... that the vulnerable spot was going to be in the side. And so that's where he shot him."ed that the shooter carjacked a nearby vehicle and engaged his cousin in a firefight.
"As he was doing that, (my cousin) shot him again, in the neck."

[Pray_4_War]

Unrelated incident but I think it's relevant to the gun debate.  People absolutely do protect themselves with guns.  Happens more than most people know.

[Pray_4_War]

lol you people really love playing dumb.

"So, basically you are suggesting that only the people in power have guns, as well as the criminals.."

yes that's exactly what i'm saying . this is the model that exists in the rest of the developed world. amazingly it works remarkably well. go look at the murder rates. no random massacres (well very very rarely)

and unless you guys are well stocked with surface to air missiles your guns won't do fk all if those in "power" decide to turn on you. as the good people in philly found out when they were bombed out of their homes. prolly use drones these days.

so that old argument holds zero water.

also australia and the US are actually culturally pretty similar. both countries "founded" by genocidal europeans.

I can see that you are completely ignorant to what's been going on in Europe the last several years.  Nice, France.  Guy in a truck kills 84.

[SF1900]

Serious question for getbiggers:

The 2nd Amendment was partly adopted, so citizens can protect itself against a tyrannical government. Do getbiggers think that the military would take orders from the government? Or, would the military join the sides of civilians?

[werewolf operative]

What was this guy's motive?

Revenge on the ex wife. Friends and family of hers are members of the church. This has nothing to do with religion or politics.

I guess a motive was found:

The gunman behind the Texas church massacre killed his grandmother-in-law during the attack, multiple friends of the woman told CNN.

Devin Patrick Kelley had domestic problems and texted his mother-in-law as recently as Sunday morning, not long before he carried out the largest mass shooting in Texas history, authorities said.

"We know that he expressed anger towards his mother-in-law, who attends this church," said Freeman Martin of the Texas Department of Public Safety. He said Kelley had a history of sending her threatening texts.

[SF1900]

get rid of the guns. it's not fkin rocket science. have an amnesty, possibly 2 years or whatever. government buys the guns back after that period 10 year mandatory prison for illegal possession of a firearm.


they did it in australia following a similar massacre and it has worked very well.

I mean, I can see what you're saying. If there are no guns, then there will be no gun deaths. That can be extended to most things: If there are no drugs, there are no more drug deaths. If there are no more cigarettes, there is a large reduction of lung cancer. If there isn't junk food, there is a large reduction of many diseases.

This is the cost of living in a free society. People have access to drugs and there will die of an overdose. Guns exist, so some people may use them in bad ways. I don't agree with punishing millions of people because of a few bad people.

[SF1900]

[Moontrane]

I love this guy.  Fucking sheepdog.  Also, the guy that shot the fat bodied killer was a 55 year old plummer, he was not 80 years old as previously reported. 

Wait, where's my man's toothpick? 

[werewolf operative]

Are you still unemployed and living with your parents? Just curious...

[SF1900]

Are you still unemployed and living with your parents? Just curious...

Yes.