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Alarm after Canada carfentanil bust...
« on: November 12, 2017, 05:07:40 AM »
42 KG!!!!! :o

I'd earlier updated my comments in the Rich Piana thread about this sort of stuff... if we've got any GetBig Canadian junkies out there, be careful man...



'Dose as small as a grain of sand can kill you': alarm after Canada carfentanil bust'

Discovery of 42kg of opioid, described as 100 times more toxic than fentanyl, in Toronto home throws spotlight on dangerous and poorly understood drug.

it was a carbon monoxide alarm that brought the Canadian authorities to the house in Liatris Drive, a quiet residential street lined with manicured gardens. As firefighters checked over the house to ensure its inhabitants were safe, something else caught their eye: kilograms of a mysterious powder sitting in the basement.

Soon afterwards, the police arrived at the house in Pickering, near Toronto, with a search warrant. They seized 33 identical handguns – and 53kg of the unidentified white and yellow powder.

Lab tests eventually revealed 42kg of the substance to be carfentanil – a drug the US Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) has described as “crazy dangerous” and which authorities in the US have flagged as as potential chemical weapon. The local police force had unwittingly stumbled across what is believed to be the largest volume of the opioid ever seized in North America."


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/12/carfentanil-bust-canada-fentanyl-opioid-crisis-dangers

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Re: Alarm after Canada carfentanil bust...
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2017, 05:15:47 AM »
Never ever would have been developed if all drugs were legalized.

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Re: Alarm after Canada carfentanil bust...
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2017, 05:20:17 AM »
Never ever would have been developed if all drugs were legalized.
Carfentanil wasn't developed for humans. It's a large animal (elephant) tranq.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfentanil

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Re: Alarm after Canada carfentanil bust...
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2017, 05:22:39 AM »
Carfentanil wasn't developed for humans. It's a large animal (elephant) tranq.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carfentanil

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Re: Alarm after Canada carfentanil bust...
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2017, 05:28:37 AM »
Never ever would have been developed if all drugs were legalized.

Great post.  I have spoken in depth about the relative non-toxicity of opiates both on here and on Facebook, but fake pills pressed from bulk Carfentanyl powder from China simply MUST be taken into consideration.

I would recommend ordering a chemical reagent test kit if you are a regular opiate user and can find one.  My friend has one, and I will have to ask him where he got it [EBAY?  No idea].  But this Carfentanyl issue is a major, major problem.  What kind of sick fuck presses fake pills that can KILL someone?  I guess it's better than fakes since it actually gets the person high, but the only person doing this should be someone who knows what they are doing.

As an example, somewhere out West in Calgary [I believe in Calgary] was pressing fake Oxycontin 80 pills that were actually oxycodone-containing pills - the only issue was that they were about 75% pure.  It was a way to sell Oxycontin 80 pills and get 33% more pills out of the deal, and thus more profit.  He was incarcerated, and then the next batch of fakes that came out resulted in some deaths.  Apparently in a prison interview he said "You should have just left me be.  Now see what's happening?"

The drug market is a potentially dangerous one, and I understand that awful things happen in it, but I cannot condone making fake Oxycontin pills from bulk Carfentanyl powder unless the person REALLY knows what they are doing - and I mean serious Walter White expertise.  People can die here - and people HAVE been dying.

There are fake Percocets out there too - my friend had some, and I called my other friend [the one with the test kit] to do the chemical reagent test, and they were made from Aspirin and some numbing agent that the test wasn't able to identify.  They did NOT contain either oxycodone nor acetaminophen - the two sole ingredients in Percocet, aside from any fillers that may be used.

The safest bet may be Hydromorphone, such as Hydromorph Contin by Purdue Pharmacy, as they are bead-containing capsules.  It's one thing to press fake pills - but how do you produce fake beads?

For anyone here who uses opiates - please be careful.  Use trusted sources, and try to ascertain that you have a real product, as best as you can.  As I mentioned, the fake Percocets also contained a numbing agent of some sort - Percocets do not make a person's mouth get numb, so it was a dead giveaway.  What's more ridiculous is that the person selling the fakes demanded getting paid for them, even after the test proved them to be fake.  ::)  Some people are so scummy.

As long as Carfentanyl is around, people will continue to die, so as I said, if you are an opiate user, please be careful.

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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2017, 07:03:53 AM »
Great post.  I have spoken in depth about the relative non-toxicity of opiates both on here and on Facebook, but fake pills pressed from bulk Carfentanyl powder from China simply MUST be taken into consideration.

I would recommend ordering a chemical reagent test kit if you are a regular opiate user and can find one.  My friend has one, and I will have to ask him where he got it [EBAY?  No idea].  But this Carfentanyl issue is a major, major problem.  What kind of sick fuck presses fake pills that can KILL someone?  I guess it's better than fakes since it actually gets the person high, but the only person doing this should be someone who knows what they are doing.

As an example, somewhere out West in Calgary [I believe in Calgary] was pressing fake Oxycontin 80 pills that were actually oxycodone-containing pills - the only issue was that they were about 75% pure.  It was a way to sell Oxycontin 80 pills and get 33% more pills out of the deal, and thus more profit.  He was incarcerated, and then the next batch of fakes that came out resulted in some deaths.  Apparently in a prison interview he said "You should have just left me be.  Now see what's happening?"

The drug market is a potentially dangerous one, and I understand that awful things happen in it, but I cannot condone making fake Oxycontin pills from bulk Carfentanyl powder unless the person REALLY knows what they are doing - and I mean serious Walter White expertise.  People can die here - and people HAVE been dying.

There are fake Percocets out there too - my friend had some, and I called my other friend [the one with the test kit] to do the chemical reagent test, and they were made from Aspirin and some numbing agent that the test wasn't able to identify.  They did NOT contain either oxycodone nor acetaminophen - the two sole ingredients in Percocet, aside from any fillers that may be used.

The safest bet may be Hydromorphone, such as Hydromorph Contin by Purdue Pharmacy, as they are bead-containing capsules.  It's one thing to press fake pills - but how do you produce fake beads?

For anyone here who uses opiates - please be careful.  Use trusted sources, and try to ascertain that you have a real product, as best as you can.  As I mentioned, the fake Percocets also contained a numbing agent of some sort - Percocets do not make a person's mouth get numb, so it was a dead giveaway.  What's more ridiculous is that the person selling the fakes demanded getting paid for them, even after the test proved them to be fake.  ::)  Some people are so scummy.

As long as Carfentanyl is around, people will continue to die, so as I said, if you are an opiate user, please be fateful.
You talk about opiates quite a bit. You sound like I used to oh I can't get addicted I'm different than everyone else. One day you will realize that's not true and you're fucked.

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Re: Alarm after Canada carfentanil bust...
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2017, 10:37:13 AM »
No good can come out of doing recreational drugs

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Re: Alarm after Canada carfentanil bust...
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2017, 10:53:30 AM »
In before ESF responds with how he OD'd twice in one day in a restroom urinal from a bad batch he bought from the head of a Mexican cartel that he was training for a sponsorship.

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Re: Alarm after Canada carfentanil bust...
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2017, 10:58:03 AM »
No good can come out of doing recreational drugs

except for bliss and sexual marathons.

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Re: Alarm after Canada carfentanil bust...
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2017, 11:08:45 AM »
except for bliss and sexual marathons.
What goes up must come down

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Re: Alarm after Canada carfentanil bust...
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2017, 11:10:53 AM »
What goes up must come down

nonsense. i am high during all of my waking hours.

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Re: Alarm after Canada carfentanil bust...
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2017, 11:20:11 AM »
I dunno man, I guess we'll agree to disagree. I've had close friends ruin their lives with drugs, hope you'll see sense

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Re: Alarm after Canada carfentanil bust...
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2017, 11:23:42 AM »
if ur gonna use anything all the time... drug selection is important, and thats why I bludgeon myself with cannabis, and not methamphetamine.

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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2017, 11:29:16 AM »
I dunno man, I guess we'll agree to disagree. I've had close friends ruin their lives with drugs, hope you'll see sense

I've seen more lives destroyed with alcohol then drugs. Not sure why drugs are so vilified and alcohol is left out of the equation.

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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2017, 01:12:18 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2017, 01:57:22 PM »
In before ESF responds with how he OD'd twice in one day in a restroom urinal from a bad batch he bought from the head of a Mexican cartel that he was training for a sponsorship.

he wouldnt OD on it, he could take 42 kilos with his cornflakes.

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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2017, 02:11:32 PM »
I've seen more lives destroyed with alcohol then drugs. Not sure why drugs are so vilified and alcohol is left out of the equation.

But Shizzo functions a lot better when he's drunk.

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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2017, 04:06:33 PM »
I encourage retards and lifetime fuckups to use these compounds. Lots and consistently.

And I hope for an eventual overdose that results in a cold corpse.

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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2017, 04:59:46 PM »
This sounds more like a terrorism case than a drug one. Let’s see the names of those arrested...

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« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2017, 05:48:02 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2017, 12:28:02 AM »
You talk about opiates quite a bit. You sound like I used to oh I can't get addicted I'm different than everyone else. One day you will realize that's not true and you're fucked.

Every mammal - literally every man, woman, child, cat, dog, pig, and cow - will become physically dependent on opiates if they use them for enough successive days in a row.  Be it eight days, five days, or possibly as little as three days.  That's right - one major weekend bender being high on opiates from dusk 'til dawn can get a person hooked on opiates.

It is what it is.

I am a human being.  I am a mammal.  I am no exception.

I think that one could realistically get away with certain opiate use protocols.  One possible example is four days on, four days off.  I believe that [depending on the quantity consumed] that one could get away with such a schedule.  I believe that another possible example would be Sunday and Wednesday evenings only.  In other words, if you only indulge on those two days of the week, you can probably get away with being high on opiates for a portion of the day - or even the entire day - and not become addicted.

But everyone is different, and as I said, it doesn't take long before a person becomes physically dependent.  So I would hope that people tread VERY carefully when it comes to this topic and not start using them just because they verify that what I have said about the relative non-toxicity of opiates compared to alcohol and other substances.

I believe that opiates are an amazing substance, and likely the only substance that I have the personal constitution to do - I have never tried cocaine, but have tried MDMA before, as well as marijuana and some other things, and virtually none of them work for me.  I found opiates to be heavenly, and it is virtually the only substance that works for me.  So while I will not knock it - I will not claim that I could not become addicted.  I believe I am just more responsible in terms of planning and that by my nature, I am not very indulgent.  It's just the way it goes with me.  I am not someone who needs a lot of stimulation to enjoy myself.  I would have no problem handling opiates responsibly, and had no problem doing so when I was prescribed opiates.  That being said, all mammals will become addicted to opiates if they are taken enough successive days in a row [as I stated above], and I am certainly no exception.

In the Rich Piana autopsy thread, dj181 said that Dorian became humbled when he took hallucinogenic drugs.  An opiate addiction may be something that can humble a person as well - but in my case, I don't need to be told that I can become addicted.  It can happen to anyone - even something as insignificant as a broken arm can put someone in a position that gets them addicted to opiates.  I am well aware of this, and it is not my intention to claim to be better than other people.  :)  That being said, I will reiterate that I not a very indulgent person - so generally speaking, I am confident that I will never have a drug problem in my life - providing I am healthy and uninjured.  If I sustain an injury, this can change completely, and only time will tell.

Van_Bilderass addresses the subject starting at the link below, and dj181 adds to the discussion - where he said that Dorian was humbled after having taken hallucinogenics.  I believe many drugs have the potential to result in a humbling experience.  The part of the thread with the discussion starts here:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=638984.msg8922169#msg8922169

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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2017, 01:32:10 AM »
the more I read Matts posts the more appealing fentanyl seems

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Re: Alarm after Canada carfentanil bust...
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2017, 01:43:11 AM »
the more I read Matts posts the more appealing fentanyl seems

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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2017, 03:21:38 AM »
the more I read Matts posts the more appealing fentanyl seems

 ;D

I know you are joking, but on that note - I have been perhaps a little *too* good at advocating for opiates.  These are amazing drugs that have two major drawbacks - [1] addiction, and [2] overdose.  But if you can skirt these two major issues, opiates are remarkably safe and nontoxic.  So if you are going to just sit back with 1/4 of an Oxycontin 80 pill on a Saturday night, I would be willing to bet that such a protocol is far less toxic to the organs than going out and drinking eight beers.

I am rather confident in that, since I was extensively health-tested during my opiate usage, and nothing indicated that opiates had a toxic effect on my organs, which is, incidentally, consistent with what we know about opiates.

Now - here is the cautionary part of this post: last summer a 23-year-old female friend of mine read my Facebook posts about opiates being relatively nontoxic.  She was already using them, and - having considered me a smart guy because I was the Teaching Assistant for her Calculus course - she took my posts as being very credible.

So what happened?

She ramped up her intravenous hydromorphone use [specifically, Hydromorph Contin by Purdue Pharma], and within three months, she was entering herself into rehab.

So, despite being extremely specific about the two considerations about opiates that people should seek to avoid - addiction and overdose - she used them daily and eventually became dependent.

To be clear here - I am NOT saying that opiates come without risk.  What I am say is that if you can skirt addiction, and if you use quantities that do not cause an overdose [and ideally, avoid intravenous use outright], you should be ok.  Beyond ok - I would even say that a person drinking alcohol on the weekend for one year would be in worse health than a person getting high - within reason - on opiates every weekend for the same one year period of time.

The problem with this post is that a person can read it, and say to themselves "Hmm, maybe I will give opiates a try", then next thing you know, a week of daily use occurs, and they suddenly become addicted.

My post, in a vacuum, is correct - opiates are relatively non-toxic drugs.  But if a person uses my post as advocacy for opiates, then uses a lot of them for an extended period of time they may well become addicted.  Worse yet, they can die.

Lastly, every single one of us will eventually have to face death, and a good sized percentage of us will ultimately die of cancer.  I can tell you that for the type of pain associated with cancer, very few things beat opiates.  People during their end of life stage deserve to have a high quality of life.  If opiates can take the pain away from these people, should we really deny them access to these drugs?  Japan toils with this question, and is generally very much against narcotic use for any reason - even as end of life medicine.

Sadly, a very small percentage - and my understanding is that the actual figure is under 10% - of people who use or have used opiates can be properly classified as addicted.  A much smaller percentage than that die from opiates [although in Ontario right now, the figure is rather high for young people - with 1 in 8 people between the ages of 18 to 34 dying from opiate overdoses].  As a result of these two groups of people, opiates are then becoming difficult or almost impossible for normal people in need to get.  The end result of that has been a reduction in supply without a corresponding reduction in demand, which has then brought about the importation of Carfentanyl powder from China as discussed in this thread, and all the problems that come with it.

 :-\

PS - another "problem" with opiates is that they make everything better, just about.  So while you joke about Fentanyl seemingly becoming more appealing after reading my posts, it is because if you were high on Fentanyl or another opiate, you would actually be able to read my posts without wanting to stab yourself in the eye.  :D  :-\  Opiates basically make everything better - this is why they should perhaps be avoided in certain circumstances because even something like a fight with your spouse can become enjoyable while using them.  If MDMA is a truth serum, opiates are a serum that causes people to enjoy everything, which will give a false impression of their actual likes and dislikes.  Long-term users can then find themselves withdrawing from mainstream areas of their life, avoiding friends, avoiding sex, and just sitting on their couch getting high.  My point here is that, as with every drug, there are both costs and benefits to opiates.  A major benefit to me would be that Matt C posts would be enjoyed by many people, if they were high on Oxycontin or Fentanyl while reading them.  ;D

PPS - this is from one of Rich's girlfriends.  She added me to Facebook after she saw my 2012 Mr. Olympia expo interview with Rich, and she just wrote me this when I messaged her, asking what recreational drugs Rich used:

"Pretty much everything A-Z
I gave him to 50 to live so no surprise to me"

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Re: Alarm after Canada carfentanil bust...
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2017, 03:27:50 AM »
;D

I know you are joking,

No, no Im not....

You are getting more tedious with every post...