Tesla Truck - the dream truck

[Palumboism]

[HTexan]

The new roadster is sick. It has over 600 mile range too.

[OAK]

Ultimately these electric vehicles will be charged via coal fired plants.....whats the point?

[IRON CROSS]

Ultimately these electric vehicles will be charged via coal fired plants.....whats the point?

 
 

[HTexan]

Ultimately these electric vehicles will be charged via coal fired plants.....whats the point?

Tesla’s goal is to have solar panels, or their solar tiles, on every house and they all feed into the grid.
This would supply enough power for everyone no coal required. Will it happen? Probably not, too many fat and wealthy coal plant owners.

[Hypertrophy]

Ultimately these electric vehicles will be charged via coal fired plants.....whats the point?

Great question. If you used coal fired plants equipped with scrubbers, you would dramatically reduce point source solution via internal combustion vehicles across the world. It is far easier to place a complex emission control system on a stationary power plant than a moving vehicle. So this would be a vast improvement over the millions of trucks right now putting out diesel engine particulates as well as sulfur oxides.

[OAK]

Tesla’s goal is to have solar panels, or their solar tiles, on every house and they all feed into the grid.
This would supply enough power for everyone no coal required. Will it happen? Probably not, too many fat and wealthy coal plant owners.

Solar is unreliable and depends on the weather plus solar panels are made from MINED silicone...which is not renewable.

They only way electric cars will truly save the planet is if some new fuel source that is renewable AND doesn't pollute is invented.

Fighting global warming in reality is a lost cause.

[IRON CROSS]

Tesla’s goal is to have solar panels, or their solar tiles, on every house and they all feed into the grid.
This would supply enough power for everyone no coal required. Will it happen? Probably not, too many fat and wealthy coal plant owners.

production of solar panels = produces huge pollution ,  so

[Hypertrophy]

Tesla’s goal is to have solar panels, or their solar tiles, on every house and they all feed into the grid.
This would supply enough power for everyone no coal required. Will it happen? Probably not, too many fat and wealthy coal plant owners.

Actually it has nothing to do with "fat and wealthy coal plant owners". I have worked in the solar panel industry for years. Photovoltaics are a great source of power but aren't perfect. Their power output, though significant, is nothing like that from combusting oil or coal.  And what happens when the sun goes down? That is why so much effort is being made on energy storage systems.

The typical solar panel using polycrystalline silicon puts out about 100-140 watts under best condition (direct sunlight). The Tesla truck uses a claimed 2 KWH per mile- or the equivalent of 20 solar panels running one hour. A long haul trucker does 600 miles per day, so you need 1200 KWH or the combined output from 1000 solar panels for 10 hours.

It's about math, not politics.

[Hypertrophy]

production of solar panels = produces huge pollution ,  so

Not exactly true. The dirtiest process in the production of polycrystalline silicon solar panels is the production  of pure silicon in the first place. It's about equivalent to steel production, so yes it can be dirty. But once you have the silicon it can be used indefinitely. It is converted to polysilicon by a fairly clean process (I have been to the plants in China) and from there it's nearly done as a production process- producing panels is fairly clean.

[Hypertrophy]

Solar is unreliable and depends on the weather plus solar panels are made from MINED silicone...which is not renewable.

They only way electric cars will truly save the planet is if some new fuel source that is renewable AND doesn't pollute is invented.

Fighting global warming in reality is a lost cause.

The word is "silicon" and it is the second most plentiful element on earth. Remember, sand is mostly silicon dioxide. I know where you can get a lot, lol.

And "solar is unreliable"? Well, the sun comes up everyday, so that's pretty reliable. If it doesn't, we won't have to worry about driving anyway.

[sync pulse]

The only current industrial process that can generate the dense energy requirements of a technological society without burning anything is nuclear fission...

[HTexan]

Actually it has nothing to do with "fat and wealthy coal plant owners". I have worked in the solar panel industry for years. Photovoltaics are a great source of power but aren't perfect. Their power output, though significant, is nothing like that from combusting oil or coal.  And what happens when the sun goes down? That is why so much effort is being made on energy storage systems.

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It's about math, not politics.

Well if you look at the math solar panels are getting better everyday.
Also I believe the idea is to save enough power in batteries to get everyone by.
I don’t work in solar so if that is possible. Idk

[Tapeworm]

Actually it has nothing to do with "fat and wealthy coal plant owners". I have worked in the solar panel industry for years. Photovoltaics are a great source of power but aren't perfect. Their power output, though significant, is nothing like that from combusting oil or coal.  And what happens when the sun goes down? That is why so much effort is being made on energy storage systems.

The typical solar panel using polycrystalline silicon puts out about 100-140 watts under best condition (direct sunlight). The Tesla truck uses a claimed 2 KWH per mile- or the equivalent of 20 solar panels running one hour. A long haul trucker does 600 miles per day, so you need 1200 KWH or the combined output from 1000 solar panels for 10 hours.

It's about math, not politics.

What's your prediction on batteries?  Is there going to be something affordable and generally kick-ass in the next 10 years?

I have a 20 kw lead acid bank in pretty good condition I got cheap.  The weight, size, expense, and small percentage of discharge permitted would have put me off buying these things at retail price.

Also what are your thoughts on thin film panels?  They seem to be popping up at auctions in my area. 

[Palumboism]

Ultimately these electric vehicles will be charged via coal fired plants.....whats the point?

Five countries had about 75% of the world's coal reserves:

China—23%
United States—21%
Russia—14%
Australia—9%
India—8%


As of January 1, 2017, the demonstrated reserve base of the united states was estimated to contain 476 billion short tons.

[IRON CROSS]

Five countries had about 75% of the world's coal reserves:

China—23%
United States—21%
Russia—14%
Australia—9%
India—8%


As of January 1, 2017, the demonstrated reserve base of the united states was estimated to contain 476 billion short tons.

BS, incorrect statistic: China & India import coal from Australia

[Skylge]

Ultimately these electric vehicles will be charged via coal fired plants.....whats the point?

Coal is on the way out, in well run countries anyway

Solar, hydro power and wind can generate the electricity for all things electric. Tesla powerwall home storage can store excess energy.

[Skylge]

Wind power in abundance:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/wind-farm-world-renewable-energy-green-deep-sea-india-electricity-power-north-atlantic-a7991326.html

[Skylge]

The new roadster is sick. It has over 600 mile range too.

Marques Brownlee uploaded a terrific review:

Tesla's "one more thing"....Apple hasn't come up with anything remarkable in years....Apple's only about tax evasion and greed. Very dissappointing

Tesla is making one game changer after the other, the entire German car industry is copying Tesla 

Tesla is forcing all other to change and innovate, which those old fashioned and often corrupt companies don't like, but they have to

[Hulkotron]

Tesla’s goal is to have solar panels, or their solar tiles, on every house and they all feed into the grid.
This would supply enough power for everyone no coal required. Will it happen? Probably not, too many fat and wealthy coal plant owners.

If they were not fats/obeses maybe things could be different

[Tapeworm]

A fat man would go straight through a solar tiled roof.

[Palumboism]

Coal is on the way out, in well run countries anyway

Solar, hydro power and wind can generate the electricity for all things electric. Tesla powerwall home storage can store excess energy.

Major energy sources and percent shares of U.S. electricity generation at utility-scale facilities in 2016

    Natural gas = 33.8%
    Coal = 30.4%
    Nuclear = 19.7%
    Renewables (total) = 14.9%
        Hydropower = 6.5%
        Wind = 5.6%
        Biomass = 1.5%
        Solar  = 0.9%

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3


I guess America isn't a well run country.  We still get 30% of our electric power from Coal.  

[Palumboism]

Tesla Semi Has A 500-Mile Range And Hits 60MPH In 5 Seconds
By Brad Anderson

First, the most important number of them all. 500 miles. According to Tesla, that is the official range of the Tesla Semi under highway conditions when it is towing its full 80,000 lbs load. When fully loaded, the semi will reach 60 mph (96 km/h) in 20 seconds, far quicker than any diesel semi-truck on the market. Remove the trailer and it’ll reach the same mark in five seconds.

Another interesting thing about the Tesla Semi is that Musk says it will be impossible for the vehicle to jackknife. In order to avoid this, the Semi will use its independent rear wheels to dynamically adjust torque to ensure a jackknife never occurs.

Unsurprisingly, every Tesla Semi sold will come with Enhanced Autopilot as standard. Consequently, the Semi will include automatic lane keep assist and autonomous braking.

Despite being the brand’s first attempt at a truck, the Tesla Semi will allegedly be incredibly reliable. In fact, the automaker will guarantee that it will not break down in the first million miles. Owners will also benefit from the brand’s new Megachargers, powerful chargers which can add up to 400 miles of range in just 30 minutes.

http://www.carscoops.com/2017/11/tesla-semi-has-400-mile-range-and-hits.html

[Skylge]

Major energy sources and percent shares of U.S. electricity generation at utility-scale facilities in 2016

    Natural gas = 33.8%
    Coal = 30.4%
    Nuclear = 19.7%
    Renewables (total) = 14.9%
        Hydropower = 6.5%
        Wind = 5.6%
        Biomass = 1.5%
        Solar  = 0.9%

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3


I guess America isn't a well run country.  We still get 30% of our electric power from Coal.  

Price of renewables is going down very quickly
Here in Holland large companies / mulitnationals are signing contracts to buy power from wind turbines
Brands like IKEA and German Aldi are covering their roofs with solar cells, and offering customers (sometimes free) power for electic cars

Coal has anormous hidden price tags, both for air pollution and for climate change

Major hurricanes, fires and floods can easily cost hundreds of billions of damage

Just a matter of time till even a psycho like Trump will get the message

[DroppingPlates]

That 'truck' looks gender-neutral.

This is how a real truck should look like,