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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #75 on: April 12, 2006, 05:01:07 PM »
2005 his waist is wide and his gut sticks out , you can't deny this , it was better than 03/04 but it still sucks and shouldn't be on the best bodybuilder in the world , period , they should have stopped this nonsense with Yates , period !!

This is the midsection of a Mr Olympia !!

 His waist is not wide there. It is quite trim. I'm starting to think that you are losing it.

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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #76 on: April 12, 2006, 05:04:03 PM »
His waist is not wide there. It is quite trim. I'm starting to think that you are losing it.

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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #78 on: April 12, 2006, 05:09:30 PM »
His waist is not wide there. It is quite trim. I'm starting to think that you are losing it.

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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #79 on: April 12, 2006, 05:09:54 PM »
His waist is not wide there. It is quite trim. I'm starting to think that you are losing it.

umm..ND lost it (no, not his virginity, he's still workin' on that) a LOOOONGGGGGG time ago.
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Re: Ronnie asks if tights make his ass look big
« Reply #81 on: April 12, 2006, 05:17:36 PM »
the second from the far left African-American gentleman and the white dude next to him seem to be mesmerized by whatever they're looking at.
its a fucking arab sandnigger u homo. get some glasses.

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Re: Ronnie asks if tights make his ass look "big"
« Reply #82 on: April 12, 2006, 05:18:35 PM »
Hitler jugend.
how comes some hitler youths are arabs?

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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #83 on: April 12, 2006, 05:19:40 PM »
umm..ND lost it (no, not his virginity, he's still workin' on that) a LOOOONGGGGGG time ago.

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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #84 on: April 12, 2006, 05:21:37 PM »
Ronnie is so big people forget how big he is. If there was no Ronnie Coleman and someone with his build came on the scene people would be shitting themselves.

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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #86 on: April 12, 2006, 07:44:41 PM »
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Do you really think that the top 3 guys in a given Mr. O. were given scores like this (1999 for example):

1 Ronnie Coleman USA 5 5 5 5 20 
2 Flex Wheeler USA 10 10 10 10 40 
3 Chris Cormier USA 15 15 15 15 60 

The above example suggests that all the judges scored Ronnie in first place each round, Flex in second each round, and Chris in third each round.  This is the same system used today. 

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eg. here is another Mr. Olympia (2002)

1 Ronnie Coleman USA 5 5 11 8 29 
2 Kevin Levrone USA 15 11 5 7 38 
3 Chris Cormier USA 10 14 18 17 59 

This example indicates that all the judges scored Ronnie with straight firsts for the first two rounds, but in the third round Ronnie received a combination of points yielding 11, probably four 2nd place votes and one 3rd place vote (4×2)+(1×3) = 11.  In the fourth round, his total was 8 points, with a likely scenario being three 2nd place votes and two 1st place votes (3×2)+(2×1) = 8.  This is the same system that was used when Dorian competed. 

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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #87 on: April 12, 2006, 11:36:28 PM »
what I am saying is that the average numerical values cannot be used for comparison across contests.

For example, notice that kevin in 2002 was given a 7 in round 4 (which is a first place average).

Ronnie in 1999 was given a 5 in round 4.

Because we do not know the actual values used to make up the average (with highs and lows dropped don't forget) - we cannot say that Ronnie's 5 was better than Levrone's 7.

A first place average vote is a first place average vote, regardless of the numerical value it ends up being.

and, note that a "5" given by one judge represents a "perfect" score, and leads to a first place vote.

Notice that a 7 could just as easily mean exactly the same thing because if 7 was the lowest score given by a judge, it would also lead to a first place vote given the competition on that day.

Comparing interger values across different contests is like comparing apples to oranges - different lineups lead to different values, but the values themselves lead to the same placement vote.  Therefore you can compare placement votes but not the actual numbers themselves.

what it boils down to is this:

The average placement value (eg first, second or third) is relevant, the actual numbers that lead to this placement are not relevant when you are comparing different contest scores.

Why?

The lowest average score in one contest (that leads to a first place vote) is NOT always the lowest average score in ANOTHER contest that also leads to a first place vote.  This principle applys to all scores.

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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #88 on: April 13, 2006, 08:37:03 AM »
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A first place average vote is a first place average vote, regardless of the numerical value it ends up being.

and, note that a "5" given by one judge represents a "perfect" score, and leads to a first place vote.

Notice that a 7 could just as easily mean exactly the same thing because if 7 was the lowest score given by a judge, it would also lead to a first place vote given the competition on that day.

Are you aware of how the judging works?  A "5" given by one judge does not represent a perfect score, it represents a 5th place score by that judge.  A "1", or 1st place, given by all 5 judges represents a perfect score (1×5)=5.  A 7 may still represent 1st place, but it is not straight firsts.  It means two judges gave a "2" (2nd place) and three judges gave a "1" (1st place), for a point total of (2×2)+(3×1)=7. 




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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #89 on: April 13, 2006, 08:39:40 AM »
The scores in bodybuilding seem nigh on arbritrary. 

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Re: Ronnie asks if tights make his ass look "big"
« Reply #90 on: April 13, 2006, 09:03:09 AM »
Meltdown #2

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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #91 on: April 13, 2006, 09:06:38 AM »
His waist is not wide there. It is quite trim. I'm starting to think that you are losing it.

and i'm starting to think that you lube up any time you see a picture of coleman.
don't worry you are in good company with hulkster.

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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #92 on: April 13, 2006, 10:04:09 AM »
2005 his waist is wide and his gut sticks out , you can't deny this , it was better than 03/04 but it still sucks and shouldn't be on the best bodybuilder in the world , period , they should have stopped this nonsense with Yates , period !!

This is the midsection of a Mr Olympia !!

what year is that bottom one, 95?  Look at the detail in his midsection, it's awsome..the striations in the quads...where has all Ron's detail gone???  I'd rather have the Ron of 96 or 97 then the overstuffed turkey we have now.
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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #93 on: April 13, 2006, 10:11:34 AM »
The scores in bodybuilding seem nigh on arbritrary. 

the scoring system that had paco bautista beating ahmad haidar on symmetry in 2002? naw, you're joking!  ;D

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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #94 on: April 13, 2006, 10:13:50 AM »
Are you aware of how the judging works?  A "5" given by one judge does not represent a perfect score, it represents a 5th place score by that judge.  A "1", or 1st place, given by all 5 judges represents a perfect score (1×5)=5.  A 7 may still represent 1st place, but it is not straight firsts.  It means two judges gave a "2" (2nd place) and three judges gave a "1" (1st place), for a point total of (2×2)+(3×1)=7. 





Can anyone confirm this is the scoring system? Cause if it is, Hulkster got OWNED.
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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #95 on: April 13, 2006, 10:20:12 AM »
Can anyone confirm this is the scoring system? Cause if it is, Hulkster got OWNED.

that is how it works. there's more than five judges, though, and they throw out i think the two scores that deviate the most from the other five. so if you get five judges giving ronnie 1s and 2s in muscularity and one guy gives him an 11 and another a 15, those last two get discarded.

hulkster's point is still valid, though, because nd is saying dorian's scores were better making him the better bodybuilder. ronnie got perfect scores in 1999 and 2000, but according to nd he was better in 1994 and 1992. by his own logic, ronnie in 1999 and 2000 was the best he's ever looked according to the scorecards.

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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #96 on: April 13, 2006, 01:06:47 PM »
and i'm starting to think that you lube up any time you see a picture of coleman.
don't worry you are in good company with hulkster.

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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #97 on: April 13, 2006, 03:15:59 PM »
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hulkster's point is still valid, though, because nd is saying dorian's scores were better making him the better bodybuilder.

of course my point is valid.  Just because my screen name is Hulkster doesn't mean I am a roided up retard :)
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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #98 on: April 13, 2006, 03:18:21 PM »
of course my point is valid.  Just because my screen name is Hulkster doesn't mean I am a roided up retard :)

Hulk Hogan is not retarded  >:(

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Re: ND and HULKSTER star in BROKENRECORD MOUNTAIN, Part MCXV
« Reply #99 on: April 13, 2006, 03:25:49 PM »
Hulk Hogan is not retarded  >:(

true. Hulk rules.
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