Dallas “Big Country” Mcarver- Autopsy Report - Discussion

[Simple Simon]

Well, diet does play a role in terms of pushing that much food through your system, especially the protein. May not matter much whether it is steak versus lean chicken. Big time genetic predisposition played a part. But the “elephant in the room” question is how long would he have lived without the AAS, growth and insulin, and food? Palumbo didn’t go there at all. We seem to be debating the subtleties of diet vs. steroid vs. growth, but what about the un-subtlety of top level bodybuilding vs. not.

he was always a greedy fucker even before bodybuilding..

[doggler]

he was always a greedy fucker even before bodybuilding..

He would be 600-700 pounds without drugs....

[XFACTOR]

he was always a greedy fucker even before bodybuilding..

Damn his BP and resting heart rate was probably brutal even in his teens!  Look at that face

[Simple Simon]

He would be 600-700 pounds without drugs....

he told me on Muscular Development forums that he used to eat two bargain buckets of KFC every night.

he also told me he tried insulin once, I told him he shouldnt really be telling people that bearing in mind he was sponsored, I got banned???

[macos]

he told me on Muscular Development forums that he used to eat two bargain buckets of KFC every night.

he also told me he tried insulin once, I told him he shouldnt really be telling people that bearing in mind he was sponsored, I got banned???

Are yu going to blame KFC now

[Simple Simon]

Are yu going to blame KFC now

Im not going to blame anything, I couldnt give a flying fuck about him.

[Royalty]

he told me on Muscular Development forums that he used to eat two bargain buckets of KFC every night.

he also told me he tried insulin once, I told him he shouldnt really be telling people that bearing in mind he was sponsored, I got banned???

How much does a "bargain bucket" cost?

[Simple Simon]

How much does a "bargain bucket" cost?

its not cheap I can tell you that...

[HonestBob]

lets try and find out how much he was taking

Testosterone: let's assume this (550ng/ml) is total T (specifics not indicated on report)

keep in mind normal high T values in young men are: 10mg/day T production

Blood volume: normal average weighing adult (72kg, 160pounds) has approx. 4,7Liters or 1,24gallon or 5quarts

regularly, blood volume is calculated on +- 68ml/kg basis

so in his case: 290ish pounds or 130kg BW multiplied by 68ml = roughly 8liters of blood (downsized)

i'm mentioning this difference because someone who weighs less than him would have yielded even higher blood results(!) for the same amount of injected mgs

unless anti aromatase was used, part of his T injections would have been converted (and ongoing) to Estrogen

also DHT conversion

for the sake of positive bias, we won't try to calculate that

Also, test esters have different half lives, so in order for us to be positively biased as to how much he jected, we'll take one of the more common longer versions: TE
(U'd need to inject more Prop compared to Enanth if u want to achieve an equal T concentration in blood)

Example:
100mg TE after 10 days: 50mg still in blood
100mg TP after 10 days: +-12mg still in blood
theoretically, this means that if we want to achieve 50mg of active T after 10 days with T prop, we'd have to inject 400mg

so u see, calculating his cycle as positively biased as possible (as low as possible) would have us go for minimal injections of TE

Also, don't forget a 100mg inject of TE is actually only about 70mg of T, the remainder 30mg being ester weight
pos bias wont account for that

SO: according to dose response studies in endogenous T deficient men, T enanthate 50mg/wk resulted in approx. 306ng/dl (3,06ng/ml) blood concentrations (5month study)
(blood analysis occurred at 7 day intervals)

600mg TE/wk = 2307ng/dl (23ng/ml)

(dose response curve: 12 times more T injected yet only 7 times more T in blood concentration, lets call this factor potency)

lets assume potency is halved every 500mg (again pos bias)

going from 23ng/ml to 550ng/ml would mean shooting 24 times 50mg  (1200mg) to obtain a clean result

however, including potency factor this would mean approx 5gr of T/ 7days

NOW: add in all the other factors and you arrive at a hypothetical 8+ gr/ T

I'd speculate even higher, 10+ gr/wk (TE) and i'm being very cautious   (TP even higher!)


i mean, we all knew this, its just nice to have the numbers adding up..

I think you're being quite conservative.  I've seen 10gms of test get a score of 14,000ng/DL...

[Royalty]

its not cheap I can tell you that...

Looks like it costs around $16

If he ate 2 per night, that's $224 on KFC alone per week ($896 per month)

[Simple Simon]

Looks like it costs around $16

If he ate 2 per night, that's $224 on KFC alone per week ($896 per month)

hes always lived on the bank of mom and dad....

[Ted SuperSet]

Serious question: how can this autopsy report be public? Is this normal in usa?

[Ted SuperSet]

read the detective report next to the lab analysis

he was informed but shrugged it off

Can not find it. Can you qoute please?

[willl]

I think you're being quite conservative.  I've seen 10gms of test get a score of 14,000ng/DL...

I am

it is impossible to know for sure, too many variables and unknowns

but the figures i wrote are the bare minimum

[dseiler]

The only thing I have taken from this thread is GOOD GOD DAMN I need to lose some weight.

[willl]

Can not find it. Can you qoute please?

my mistake it's not a detective, its the forensic investigator report

located as appendix to the lab analysis documents

[BB]

Serious question: how can this autopsy report be public? Is this normal in usa?

Depends on the State. Some only let the family/doctors/police have it. Some let others see it if there is a court proceeding that would need it. Some consider them public domain, and anyone can have them. Florida considers them public domain, so anyone can request them for a small fee.

[dj181]

Interesting question, seeing how much organ enlargement is possible in the monsters is shocking. It's amazing how far out of the outlier ranges he was -


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22182983 .

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22182984 .

According to the Almighty słin and gh have added about 20 kg extra to on stage weight

So that like 45 pounds and id say bout half lf that went to the gut and the other half to the legs, back and delta

Thier arms and chests aremt any bigger than the 70s 80s guys

[Taffin]

According to the Almighty słin and gh have added about 20 kg extra to on stage weight

So that like 45 pounds and id say bout half lf that went to the gut and the other half to the legs, back and delta

Thier arms and chests aremt any bigger than the 70s 80s guys

DJ - I've got a random question for you - apologies if you've already answered it elsewhere.... do you get any blood work done when you're on a cycle?  Or track your blood pressure, perhaps?

[denarii]

Looks like it costs around $16

If he ate 2 per night, that's $224 on KFC alone per week ($896 per month)

Kong of the brews with a titanium loyalty card from kfc

[6 Reps]

Don't know the date of this photo, but it may have been near the end:

[Simple Simon]

if hes not careful there he could end up in a box...

[doggler]

he told me on Muscular Development forums that he used to eat two bargain buckets of KFC every night.

he also told me he tried insulin once, I told him he shouldnt really be telling people that bearing in mind he was sponsored, I got banned???

You  hurt ex fat boy's feelings.

[dj181]

DJ - I've got a random question for you - apologies if you've already answered it elsewhere.... do you get any blood work done when you're on a cycle?  Or track your blood pressure, perhaps?

Never did while on cycle but i did last year when i came off completely

Worked with an endrocologist and he gave me clomid and supported my usage of aromosin

I fully recovered and my natural test levels were on tbe high end of normal

[Simple Simon]

Never did while on cycle but i did last year when i came off completely

Worked with an endrocologist and he gave me clomid and supported my usage of aromosin

I fully recovered and my natural test levels were on tbe high end of normal

amazing, thats what joon did when he came off.