Wayne Demilia's IFBB PHYSIQUE AMERICA org...WADA Drug Testing

[BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT]

.So from what I hear..every Arnold Classic show outside of the US will be run by Santoja's IFBB International org. Which is the same one that is linked to Demilia's new IFBB Physique America org. Supposedly Arnold wants to also run his Columbus show under that banner too. Doesnt want to go the Jim Manion route.

Demilia is going to drug test EVERY show of the IFBB Physique America org under WADA drug testing rules. Demilia also already supposedly has bodybuilding going to the Pan Am games too. Even though many will beat the drug test....he feels that it will eliminate the crazy mass monsters and GH bellies from the shows. And Arnold wants that too. Supposedly Manion couldnt give a shit less. The WADA drug test will catch a lot of guys for sure and it will cause a much different look onstage...as the 1990 Chicago Olympia testing did. What is your take on this?

[Disgusted]

They will rely more on slin gh and igf. It will make it worse.

[IRON CROSS]

BS, U could not beat the real drug test.

BB organizations could not afford the real 1, simply no $$$ .

[Simple Simon]

they tested at the 90 Olympia, they seem to have forgotten how much that revealed just how important drugs were to pro bodybuilding

[mphgrove]

So they are both invading each other’s territory and there will be additional competition on the home front in US as well as on the international front. There are already various other organizations that compete but these two are the two powerhouses in bodybuilding that are going after each other. So here’s two questions: 1) will this type of competition benefit the athletes in any way?  2) who is in the stronger position to invade foreign turf, IFBB International coming into US or (NPC/IFBB Pro League) going outside US?

[Simple Simon]

So they are both invading each other’s territory and there will be additional competition on the home front in US as well as on the international front. There are already various other organizations that compete but these two are the two powerhouses in bodybuilding that are going after each other. So here’s two questions: 1) will this type of competition benefit the athletes in any way?  2) who is in the stronger position to invade foreign turf, IFBB International coming into US or (NPC/IFBB Pro League) going outside US?

who fucking cares?

[Nether Animal]

who fucking cares?

Schmoes.

[IRON CROSS]

Easy prediction: those with Her Arnold would dominate BB World  

[Neptuno]

IFBB International versus NPC/Pro League. This is the real battle.

We can see the schedule for 2018 in Pro League and until now we have SIX contest (plus Arnold Columbus, Arnold Australia, NewYork PRO and Mr Olympia) with a total amount in prizes 120.000 Dollars (we have to assume the others  big 4 events).

What´s happening in Pro League?

The rest of the sport divisions (Men´s , 212 Bikinis etc...) are under the 2017 numbers (number of contest and money prizes).

why?

Maybe cause IFBB Elite PRO (IFBB International PRO level is called so) in the first year has more than 20 contest...

[Matt]

Wayne knows enough about bodybuilding to know that is a horrible idea.

They could go the 2005 route, and put out a memo requesting a 15% reduction in overall mass combined with smaller stomachs.  Ronnie actually followed this memo and came in at 275 - he was very hard and looked very good, but in hindsight, he took a big risk with over-diuresis, or just over-dieting in general.

Other pros - like Markus Ruhl, looked very bad in 2005, attempting to downsize as per their memo.

There is no "solution" here on the side of the competitors.  Change the judging standards, and have it enforced on the judging end.  If a certain height to weight ratio is desired, set it, and have an actual weigh-in.  Allow judges to penalize pros who go way off the tables with the height to weight ratios.

Make it clear that being over-sized is grounds for losing points in the judging.  Beyond that, just make things clear with the judges and enforce it on that end.

Drug testing in bodybuilding?  Seriously?  

PS - nice to see Arnold wish to drop Jim Manion.  Arnold certainly doesn't need him, and probably doesn't like his disrespectful attitude.

[Joe Pietaro]

The Arnold Classic shows have already been 'divvied up,' if you will, between the two federations:

*IFBB Pro League (Manion) - USA, Australia

*IFBB Elite Pro (Santoja) - South America, Africa, Europe

There is no Asia show on the 2018 schedule as of right now.

[BB]

Real drug testing will break the IFBB. They can't afford real WADA testing. Even if they raised the money, as mentioned the 90 Olympia, and the WBF proved it doesn't work to bring in fans or money. Heavy drug testing could lead them into a Powerlifting situation, where a young upstart could pull enough people away to a new fed.

Bodybuilding is a niche hobby, quit trying to turn it into a serious sport.

[Matt]

Real drug testing will break the IFBB. They can't afford real WADA testing. Even if they raised the money, as mentioned the 90 Olympia, and the WBF proved it doesn't work to bring in fans or money. Heavy drug testing could lead them into a Powerlifting situation, where a young upstart could pull enough people away to a new fed.

Bodybuilding is a niche hobby, quit trying to turn it into a serious sport.

Exactly.  Also, it's not like fighting where another person's steroid use can physically harm you.  I just see no reason to change things.

Does Wayne think the ideal bodybuilding look is a drug-free one?  Or as he moves towards the twilight of his life, does he want to know in his heart and in his mind, that he helped or at least attempted to make bodybuilding healthier?

[Simple Simon]

Exactly.  Also, it's not like fighting where another person's steroid use can physically harm you.  I just see no reason to change things.

Does Wayne think the ideal bodybuilding look is a drug-free one?  Or as he moves towards the twilight of his life, does he want to know in his heart and in his mind, that he helped or at least attempted to make bodybuilding healthier?

e-mail him Matt, Im sure he will give you a detailed and frank response...