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Generation Iron The Breakdown - a review
« on: January 04, 2018, 08:02:30 AM »
I think Vlad has done a great job with the Generation Iron company in general.
I think that the 2 feature films were well done.

That said, I found "the breakdown" to be a poor reflection of bodybuilding. (perhaps an accurate one)
Of the 3 talk show hosts, only Shawn Ray has any semblance of intelligent thought.

And even with that he contradicted himself in the span of a few sentences.

"Ramy lost to Phil because of his calves.
Dexter has no calves, but won Mr. Olympia."

The other 2 hosts appeared to be either new to the industry and/or highly unintelligent.

too many examples to cite. You'll have to try and watch.


A good attempt by Vlad, but he should try and find better hosts.


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Re: Generation Iron The Breakdown - a review
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2018, 08:25:18 AM »
G.I. 1 was bad, just saw G.I. 2... Horrifically bad...
And its not the film makers or company, its just the sad sad of modern BB in general.

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Re: Generation Iron The Breakdown - a review
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2018, 08:59:44 AM »
G.I. 1 was bad, just saw G.I. 2... Horrifically bad...
And its not the film makers or company, its just the sad sad of modern BB in general.
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Heh.  I'm kind of glad you said that.  Let me put that in a less harsh way: GI1 was good.  GI2 was less good. :)

GI2 kind of made Big Ramy look bad with his answer to the question about women in bodybuilding.  I think they kind of made him look like a hick due to his foreign accent.  Similarly, in GI1 when "Grandma" talked about Roelly being a "Lazy Negro", to speak as if those in the Netherlands have racial tensions similar to those in the USA.  ::)

Put another way, I think we are used to movies where Americans are made out to look like racist bigots.  All my life, I would watch American [technically, Jewish] made Hollywood movies that made Americans look racist, and I thought that I was such a progressive and enlightened Canadian to assume all Americans were racist.  ::)  I didn't realize it was me - and these asshole movies - doing the stereotyping.  But GI1 had that bit with Grandma where she made it seem like the Netherlands have similar racial matters as the USA does, when in reality, they probably have something like a 1% Black population.

As to GI2, they had that bit that made Big Ramy look like he was bigoted towards women, when he was asked that question about women in bodybuilding, and he answered "Womens?" while smiling/laughing.  It made him seem bigoted towards women, and I'm not sure if that is fair.  It was put in there on purpose for that effect, I would say.

Not that the Middle East isn't rife with bigotry towards women, but I just think that bit took Ramy's poor English and made him look bad/sexist.

Is GI2 on Netflix for you?  It is in Canada.  I honestly think that getting movies on Netflix isn't that hard...especially given that they are looking for content specific to certain countries - for example, in Canada, they are looking for Canadian content.  I don't think it would be particularly hard to get on Netflix.  Anyone with an HD camera who knows how to speak to a camera could probably do it.  I don't like those stupid Canadian content minimums that are required, but it could be an opportunity for a Canadian Getbigger - or perhaps one in Australia, where similar laws may exist.

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Re: Generation Iron The Breakdown - a review
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2018, 05:48:49 PM »
I think Vlad has done a great job with the Generation Iron company in general.
I think that the 2 feature films were well done.

That said, I found "the breakdown" to be a poor reflection of bodybuilding. (perhaps an accurate one)
Of the 3 talk show hosts, only Shawn Ray has any semblance of intelligent thought.

And even with that he contradicted himself in the span of a few sentences.

"Ramy lost to Phil because of his calves.
Dexter has no calves, but won Mr. Olympia."

The other 2 hosts appeared to be either new to the industry and/or highly unintelligent.

too many examples to cite. You'll have to try and watch.


A good attempt by Vlad, but he should try and find better hosts.



I hadn't heard of this so I just checked it out. The funny thing about this show is that it is BLATANTLY modeled after another web talkshow
 called "Everyday Struggle" that became really popular last year.   If you've never seen the show, you're probably thinking "this is 3 people sitting in front of a backdrop. How can it be modeled after that?"  It's not just the setup (which is nearly identical), it's the cast- pretty girl in center, upstart whose popular on social media and curmudgeonly vet with a big mouth.  I don't blame  Generation Iron for trying to copy the format. Everyday Struggle became really big until the lead host quit because of a contract dispute at the end of last year. The company that distributed the show was owned by Verizon, and it was one of the main streaming video brands they were pushing for most of last year.

I couldn't bear to watch The Breakdown for long, but from what I did see , they didn't do a great job of duplicating the chemistry. I think the guy and the girl didn't understand the roles they were supposed to be playing. In the original version, those two are supposed to be sort of good cops to the lead guys bad cop.

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Re: Generation Iron The Breakdown - a review
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2018, 03:12:04 PM »
pumping iron much better than this generation iron crapola. ;) ;) ;) ;)           even PI 2 was better.
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Re: Generation Iron The Breakdown - a review
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2018, 08:37:48 PM »
the second gen iron was pretty crappy, did n ot see the whole first one

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Re: Generation Iron The Breakdown - a review
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2018, 09:26:28 PM »
G.I. 1 was bad, just saw G.I. 2... Horrifically bad...
And its not the film makers or company, its just the sad sad of modern BB in general.
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Heh.  I'm kind of glad you said that.  Let me put that in a less harsh way: GI1 was good.  GI2 was less good. :)

GI2 kind of made Big Ramy look bad with his answer to the question about women in bodybuilding.  I think they kind of made him look like a hick due to his foreign accent.  Similarly, in GI1 when "Grandma" talked about Roelly being a "Lazy Negro", to speak as if those in the Netherlands have racial tensions similar to those in the USA.  ::)

Put another way, I think we are used to movies where Americans are made out to look like racist bigots.  All my life, I would watch American [technically, Jewish] made Hollywood movies that made Americans look racist, and I thought that I was such a progressive and enlightened Canadian to assume all Americans were racist.  ::)  I didn't realize it was me - and these asshole movies - doing the stereotyping.  But GI1 had that bit with Grandma where she made it seem like the Netherlands have similar racial matters as the USA does, when in reality, they probably have something like a 1% Black population.

As to GI2, they had that bit that made Big Ramy look like he was bigoted towards women, when he was asked that question about women in bodybuilding, and he answered "Womens?" while smiling/laughing.  It made him seem bigoted towards women, and I'm not sure if that is fair.  It was put in there on purpose for that effect, I would say.

Not that the Middle East isn't rife with bigotry towards women, but I just think that bit took Ramy's poor English and made him look bad/sexist.

Is GI2 on Netflix for you?  It is in Canada.  I honestly think that getting movies on Netflix isn't that hard...especially given that they are looking for content specific to certain countries - for example, in Canada, they are looking for Canadian content.  I don't think it would be particularly hard to get on Netflix.  Anyone with an HD camera who knows how to speak to a camera could probably do it.  I don't like those stupid Canadian content minimums that are required, but it could be an opportunity for a Canadian Getbigger - or perhaps one in Australia, where similar laws may exist.

Matt is very good with words and elaborating, but I'm really lazy tonight :(

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Re: Generation Iron The Breakdown - a review
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2018, 10:11:37 PM »
I honestly could give 2 fux if I ever see either of them.

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Re: Generation Iron The Breakdown - a review
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2018, 10:51:43 PM »
I hadn't heard of this so I just checked it out. The funny thing about this show is that it is BLATANTLY modeled after another web talkshow
 called "Everyday Struggle" that became really popular last year.   If you've never seen the show, you're probably thinking "this is 3 people sitting in front of a backdrop. How can it be modeled after that?"  It's not just the setup (which is nearly identical), it's the cast- pretty girl in center, upstart whose popular on social media and curmudgeonly vet with a big mouth.  I don't blame  Generation Iron for trying to copy the format. Everyday Struggle became really big until the lead host quit because of a contract dispute at the end of last year. The company that distributed the show was owned by Verizon, and it was one of the main streaming video brands they were pushing for most of last year.

I couldn't bear to watch The Breakdown for long, but from what I did see , they didn't do a great job of duplicating the chemistry. I think the guy and the girl didn't understand the roles they were supposed to be playing. In the original version, those two are supposed to be sort of good cops to the lead guys bad cop.

Everyday struggle was a shitshow from the beginning.

Joe is a smug, skinny old man who acts hard.

Dj ak is an admitted pussy who hides behind his admitted pussy-ness when making fun of dudes who attended 30 funerals in the past 12months. Who is also using his recent arrest to try to get some" street cred" and make it sound like he's "looking at 10 in the penitentiary", nevermind it's for a fucking DUI but he's trying hard to avoid answering what they arrest was for... Because it's for a fucking DUI and not some "gangsta shit" that'll get 10

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Re: Generation Iron The Breakdown - a review
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2018, 11:09:38 AM »
Watched until Calum von Moger said he won't take steroids...he'd rather just be a healthy lean 250lbs at 8% bodyfat. No need to watch more after that.

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Re: Generation Iron The Breakdown - a review
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2018, 10:58:45 PM »
Watched until Calum von Moger said he won't take steroids...he'd rather just be a healthy lean 250lbs at 8% bodyfat. No need to watch more after that.



danna lyn bailey also says she is natural aswell in that flick. like they couldn't of just said nothing at all but they had to make themselves look like stone face liars

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Re: Generation Iron The Breakdown - a review
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2018, 12:21:52 AM »
Jan 10th;


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Re: Generation Iron The Breakdown - a review
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2018, 12:38:28 AM »


the only one i ever cared about...

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Re: Generation Iron The Breakdown - a review
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2018, 01:43:34 PM »
Jan 10th;




Shawn only showing up when he has something to promote. Inspirational.

I think the show has potential, but once again, I didn't bother watching the whole clip. Even seeing the potential, it's currently a tough watch. Most projects need a little time to get their footing. Going the shorter clip format will probably be advantageous.

As someone who has been paid to help produce professional video content and live events, below I've listed some advices that you may find of interest moving forward.

1) Have a clear introduction for each segment. Write down a 2 or 3 sentence introduction to read and approach it with a specific point of view that invites debate and some sort of insightfulness. So, for instance, instead of asking if cat-calling is a problem in gyms- which could be answered yes or no- ask something like "when does attention cross the line?". To get an answer to the latter question, you have to have an actual discussion and consider points that might not be obvious. In the clip you linked, there was no introduction and you all were in mid-conversation with the fade-in.

2)Have a moderator Let the girl ask the questions and guide the conversation, preferably in a neutral tone. Instead of starting to yell over each other immediately (like you guys did in the video), start with one person answering the question clearly, followed by the other, then she chimes in and then let it devolve into a debate.  In the video it was basically a free for all that wasn't insightful at all. And honestly, it should have been really interesting. You not only have a bikini pro, who should have had some interesting things to say about how she reconciles bikini competition with unwanted sexual advances, but you also have two guys who have made names in the fitness industry and may have also experienced unwanted advances.

3)Layered conversation Each topic should have at least one predetermined turn. For instance, if you start a segment by asking "are cat calls a problem", then later in the segment the moderator should introduce a new, already-prepared, conversation path, like "Does cat-calling justify all women gyms?" . (That's just an example. Like I said, I don't think that's the best way to set up a conversation topic). This forces the conversation to advance, and in some cases, people will alter their own positions.

These are pretty common tactics for panels/discussions/ informational demonstrations. As someone who has sampled the show, I think following some of these guidelines would make a much cleaner viewing experience and give the show a much stronger point of view.

I gotta say, Shawn, i'm surprised that your role is turning out to be more the voice of reason whereas Jeff is more of the provocateur.