The Truth about Brady, Kraft and Belichick

[Bevo]

Your question answers itself.

Let me call Tom tomorrow and discuss his future plans

[QuietYou]

ESPN + Libtard journalism supreme, very far from "real truth" most of this has already been seen as fake news (in this area).
"Oh my, a small rift in the work place, we might win the SB, but not be best buds".

Libtards and sheeple  

lol I am not referring to ESPN for anything I am referring to local news sports channels like Felger and Mazz and Toucher and Rich. Yes most of it is factual. It’s their job to report and ask questions big guy. It’s a fact that they were all supposed to meet later in December but didn’t because of the tension as well.

[Grape Ape]

Felger and Mazz are the best sports guys in this area.

They are fans, but not homers, and can look at things through an objective lens.

[Parker]

Is TB12>FST7?

[ChristopherA]

Felger and Mazz are the best sports guys in this area.

They are fans, but not homers, and can look at things through an objective lens.

Kirk Minihan LoL

[Dave D]

It’s not like favre won many sb’s either, he has just 1 in his long career, still better than nothing

That's my point though, only one team wins the Superbowl per year. Being competitive and making the playoffs year after year is an accomplishment, winning a Superbowl is hard.

So many things have to go right like having the right guys stay healthy  enough to compete in the last game....

The NFL paints the narrative that every team has a chance to win at the start of the year and even if that were true starting today it would still take 32 YEARS for every team to win a Superbowl one time....

[El Diablo Blanco]

They had a nice run and it’ll end pretty quickly so of course there are riffs. 

[SF1900]

HATERZ!!!

If your team won 5 superbowls and supposedly cheated, you would be defending them. You're going to knock it because it's not your team winning.

No difference.

[QuietYou]

HATERZ!!!

If your team won 5 superbowls and supposedly cheated, you would be defending them. You're going to knock it because it's not your team winning.

No difference.

All of the Patriots cheating methods have been proven negligible and not game changing. In fact there is evidence to the contrary that they were actually counter productive in many cases. So they would have had the same number of super bowls regardless.

[SF1900]

All of the Patriots cheating methods have been proven negligible and not game changing. In fact there is evidence to the contrary that they were actually counter productive in many cases. So they would have had the same number of super bowls regardless.

Even better. 

[Grape Ape]

All of the Patriots cheating methods have been proven negligible and not game changing. In fact there is evidence to the contrary that they were actually counter productive in many cases. So they would have had the same number of super bowls regardless.

This is untrue, since it's impossible to prove.   Spygate was deeper than the initial story, with over 100 interviews conducted.

But it's very simple - if you win games by very small margins, as the Patriots did during the three spygate SBs, then it's very rationale to think a small advantage could have made the difference.

Since the Patriots were fined millions and docked draft picks for cheating during this era, and they barely won the games, it's entire reasonable to question them.   It's not being a hater, it's a reasonable view any objective fan can take.

[SF1900]

This is untrue, since it's impossible to prove.   Spygate was deeper than the initial story, with over 100 interviews conducted.

But it's very simple - if you win games by very small margins, as the Patriots did during the three spygate SBs, then it's very rationale to think a small advantage could have made the difference.

Since the Patriots were fined millions and docked draft picks for cheating during this era, and they barely won the games, it's entire reasonable to question them.   It's not being a hater, it's a reasonable view any objective fan can take.

Grape Ape, what is your opinion about Shizzo being a Pats fan?

[QuietYou]

This is untrue, since it's impossible to prove.   Spygate was deeper than the initial story, with over 100 interviews conducted.

But it's very simple - if you win games by very small margins, as the Patriots did during the three spygate SBs, then it's very rationale to think a small advantage could have made the difference.

Since the Patriots were fined millions and docked draft picks for cheating during this era, and they barely won the games, it's entire reasonable to question them.   It's not being a hater, it's a reasonable view any objective fan can take.

Here we go with the "Well they could have been cheating but i guess we'll never know"

As if that doesn't apply to every single team 


Get real Grape. The only things we can go by are the evidences presented to us. The fact is that the Patriots scored more points when the balls WEREN'T deflated, then when they were. So their method of getting an advantage on the competition actually backfired. Not only that, but many other teams including the Packers were caught doing the same deflating methods with the footballs and were outed.

What are the two common themes after that? 1. Patriots are the only team that continues to get mentioned 2. All of the other teams suck.

Spygate is what literally every team in every sport does. This is why coordinators cover their mouths with their clipboards and same with base coaches signaling and covering their mouths.

[Grape Ape]

Here we go with the "Well they could have been cheating but i guess we'll never know"

As if that doesn't apply to every single team 


Get real Grape. The only things we can go by are the evidences presented to us. The fact is that the Patriots scored more points when the balls WEREN'T deflated, then when they were. So their method of getting an advantage on the competition actually backfired. Not only that, but many other teams including the Packers were caught doing the same deflating methods with the footballs and were outed.

What are the two common themes after that? 1. Patriots are the only team that continues to get mentioned 2. All of the other teams suck.

Spygate is what literally every team in every sport does. This is why coordinators cover their mouths with their clipboards and same with base coaches signaling and covering their mouths.

Never said anything about deflategate, as it has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.  The treatment they got with deflategate, however, was the result of their actions in Spygate, and their arrogance and lack of cooperation during the investigation.

As for your other statement, Spygate is NOT what every team does, not even close.    That's a pretty ignorant statement, considering everything that was revealed since.  Other team's cameramen didn't wear disguises, they didn't have a full time employee deciphering codes, and didn't have the NFL's help covering it up:  https://deadspin.com/bombshell-espn-report-the-patriots-were-huge-cheaters-1729286402

The only people saying everyone did what the Pats did is common are Pats fans ignoring the truth, or those who didn't care enough to read up on it.

Felger and Mass themselves have explained this.

[SF1900]

Never said anything about deflategate, as it has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.  The treatment they got with deflategate, however, was the result of their actions in Spygate, and their arrogance and lack of cooperation during the investigation.

As for your other statement, Spygate is NOT what every team does, not even close.    That's a pretty ignorant statement, considering everything that was revealed since.  Other team's cameramen didn't wear disguises, they didn't have a full time employee deciphering codes, and didn't have the NFL's help covering it up:  https://deadspin.com/bombshell-espn-report-the-patriots-were-huge-cheaters-1729286402

The only people saying everyone did what the Pats did is common are Pats fans ignoring the truth, or those who didn't care enough to read up on it.

Felger and Mass themselves have explained this.

Grape Ape, when are you going to stop being a huge hater toward the Patriots?

[Mobil]

you have any thoughts on Jerry Jones and the NFL commissioner and feud with the NFL?

[R.A.M.]

this story is bullshit.. they trying to move the focus on a "struggling" franchise, so if they so happen to go to the Superbowl, they can all cry and hug like the won against all odds.  Makes me want to vomit.  Hope the Saints meet them and blow the doors off their asses.

[WalterWhite]

this story is bullshit.. they trying to move the focus on a "struggling" franchise, so if they so happen to go to the Superbowl, they can all cry and hug like the won against all odds.  Makes me want to vomit.  Hope the Saints meet them and blow the doors off their asses.

How did the greatest show on turf fare after all the hoopla?

 Oh wait the Pats cheated.

[Grape Ape]

How did the greatest show on turf fare after all the hoopla?

 Oh wait the Pats cheated.

What do you make of the latest story on the internal Pats strife?

My take is, who cares?   Has not affected anything on the field.   If it's not all rainbows and unicorns, does it make any difference?   There 's been rumors of Brady / Belichek tension for years.

Now, if it leads to Belichek coaching the Giants, that's a different story.....

[NelsonMuntz]

Brady took the "shit show" Patriots and turned them into a majestic EPIC DYNASTY

The owners of the Patriots are now showing Brady their gratitude.

They owe him nor anyone else nothing but the good paycheck he and other pros get

LOL @ them owing someone

where is Blockhead with his classic post from years ago about "sport fans"? Best thing on the subject I have ever read from the4 guy

[QuietYou]

What do you make of the latest story on the internal Pats strife?

My take is, who cares?   Has not affected anything on the field.   If it's not all rainbows and unicorns, does it make any difference?   There 's been rumors of Brady / Belichek tension for years.

Now, if it leads to Belichek coaching the Giants, that's a different story.....

I hope Eli Manning goes to a team that is not part of a shit organization like the Giants. He will get much more success in Jacksonville. Lady luck stopped dancing with the Giants a while ago.

[WalterWhite]

What do you make of the latest story on the internal Pats strife?

My take is, who cares?   Has not affected anything on the field.   If it's not all rainbows and unicorns, does it make any difference?   There 's been rumors of Brady / Belichek tension for years.

Now, if it leads to Belichek coaching the Giants, that's a different story.....

If it's true I wouldn't blame him for leaving. I can't for the life of me figure out why they traded both back ups.   I've followed them since I was kid and never expected a run like this. There was a time when games were blacked out for the Boston market yet we could see the game in NH. They've come a long way from this.

Those bench seats sucked!

[Pray_4_War]

I hate football and I'm not going to watch but I think it would be funny if the Patriots won the Superbowl again.

Why not?  lol.

[QuietYou]

I hate football and I'm not going to watch but I think it would be funny if the Patriots won the Superbowl again.

Why not?  lol.

funny thing is they probably will 

[Ronnie Rep]

As an Eagles fan, hope he stays in New England.