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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2018, 02:29:33 PM »

If a lift isnít done in competition or verified on the spot by a neutral and reputable organization, itís not real. From Paul Anderson to Franco to Arnold to Brad Castleberry....

I thought we all knew that. Geesh
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« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2018, 02:30:42 PM »

If a lift isnít done in competition or verified on the spot by a neutral and reputable organization, itís not real. From Paul Anderson to Franco to Arnold to Brad Castleberry....

I thought we all knew that. Geesh

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« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2018, 02:35:04 PM »

If a lift isnít done in competition or verified on the spot by a neutral and reputable organization, itís not real. From Paul Anderson to Franco to Arnold to Brad Castleberry....

I thought we all knew that. Geesh
yeah but Arnold's 500lb bench is more believable because people would have been around and it's not really outlandish . I agree with you Arnold wasn't a strength athele either if your involved in Powerlifting Olympic lifting you would want your claims proven although it's proven he one a old medal even the weights he is doing that if anything don't help his claims. There all just fishing stories have to be.  Why wouldn't you do them in competition
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« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2018, 02:37:25 PM »

Plus the working for casino's carnivals don't help his case. I don't know why everyone believes these claims with no proof what so ever
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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2018, 04:06:21 PM »

If a lift isnít done in competition or verified on the spot by a neutral and reputable organization, itís not real. From Paul Anderson to Franco to Arnold to Brad Castleberry....

I thought we all knew that. Geesh


  Shocked  !! You canít say that about brad !! Heís got videos all over the place to prove it  Roll Eyes
Youíll be upsetting 1 or 2 of his loyal supporters/ followers on here  Cry

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« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2018, 09:11:08 PM »

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Here we go, good article on it -

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« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2018, 02:42:16 AM »

RE: Arnold and the 500 lb. bench claim

When you look at the guys who we KNOW were putting up those bench numbers in those days - like say Doug Young (who was retained by Arnold to help him "add mass" - essentially becoming the first personal trainer per se), we see that Arnold's levers / mechanics seem somewhat disadvantaged in comparison. At the time Doug was setting Worlds records in the low 600's competing at around Arnold's off season weight. But on the other hand, I suppose that when the best bencher on the planet is training you- there might be a few secret tips shared ?

While it's not impossible, I personally think it's an exaggerated claim considering Arnold's levers but..................who knows?

Let's compare the two gentlemen, here's two candid pics of them to compare from 1976 during the peak of both men's athletic careers:

 
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« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2018, 02:50:23 AM »

RE: Arnold and the 500 lb. bench claim

When you look at the guys who we KNOW were putting up those bench numbers in those days - like say Doug Young (who was retained by Arnold to help him "add mass" - essentially becoming the first personal trainer per se), we see that Arnold's levers / mechanics seem somewhat disadvantaged in comparison. At the time Doug was setting Worlds records in the low 600's competing at around Arnold's off season weight. But on the other hand, I suppose that when the best bencher on the planet is training you- there might be a few secret tips shared ?

While it's not impossible, I personally think it's an exaggerated claim considering Arnold's levers but..................who knows?

Yep, things he keeps secret and hides when hes benching in front of a crowd of people at meets...
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« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2018, 03:00:01 AM »

^^^^Yeah, things like wearing flat shoes, leg drive, bar path, pushing yourself away from the bar, smaller warm up jumps with lesser reps, what accessory lifts correct what weakness , where to bring the bar down, maximizing arch etc,etc,etc, - Doug mastered much of what we take for granted today, he was a true trailblazer in the bench -wouldn't expect bodybuilders to knowabout that though lol........

I challenge you to Train with powerlifters for a week and learn just how much you likely don't know about technique.
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« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2018, 03:12:33 AM »

^^^^Yeah, things like wearing flat shoes, leg drive, bar path, pushing yourself away from the bar, smaller warm up jumps with lesser reps, what accessory lifts correct what weakness , where to bring the bar down, maximizing arch etc,etc,etc, - Doug mastered much of what we take for granted today, he was a true trailblazer in the bench -wouldn't expect bodybuilders to knowabout that though lol........

I challenge you to Train with powerlifters for a week and learn just how much you don't know about technique.

I thought they were secrets?

Love the addition of etc, etc, etc......always good to add that because it makes people think you know more than you do...
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« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2018, 03:20:35 AM »

I could write an entire page on Doug's contributions to modern bench technique  but I respect the fact that you bodybuilders likely don't care about all that - so I made the point and indicated that there is more that I'm (politely) leaving out.

And they were secrets at the time.........to almost everybody but Arnold , the USA Power-lifting team (Which Doug coached) , some NFL players including Doug's brother , and a few who competed with or hung  around those guys- regular gym rats had to wait for all that knowledge to filter down .

Here his ex-wife Dawn Allison U.S. National Champion Powerlifter shares some info that puts it into perspective, his techniques are pretty universal now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztlkrgW9_jQ

I have a deep appreciation for iron history, I guess it shows.
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« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2018, 03:21:58 AM »

I could write an entire page on Doug's contributions to modern bench technique  but I respect the fact that you bodybuilders likely don't care about all that - so I made the point and indicated that there is more that I'm (politely) leaving out.

I have a deep appreciation for iron history, I guess it shows.

I don't class myself as a bodybuilder, but you are right I don't care about bench press tips..
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« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2018, 08:11:05 AM »

RE: Arnold and the 500 lb. bench claim

When you look at the guys who we KNOW were putting up those bench numbers in those days - like say Doug Young (who was retained by Arnold to help him "add mass" - essentially becoming the first personal trainer per se), we see that Arnold's levers / mechanics seem somewhat disadvantaged in comparison. At the time Doug was setting Worlds records in the low 600's competing at around Arnold's off season weight. But on the other hand, I suppose that when the best bencher on the planet is training you- there might be a few secret tips shared ?

While it's not impossible, I personally think it's an exaggerated claim considering Arnold's levers but..................who knows?

Let's compare the two gentlemen, here's two candid pics of them to compare from 1976 during the peak of both men's athletic careers:

 
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« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2018, 08:18:12 AM »

RE: Arnold and the 500 lb. bench claim

When you look at the guys who we KNOW were putting up those bench numbers in those days - like say Doug Young (who was retained by Arnold to help him "add mass" - essentially becoming the first personal trainer per se), we see that Arnold's levers / mechanics seem somewhat disadvantaged in comparison. At the time Doug was setting Worlds records in the low 600's competing at around Arnold's off season weight. But on the other hand, I suppose that when the best bencher on the planet is training you- there might be a few secret tips shared ?

While it's not impossible, I personally think it's an exaggerated claim considering Arnold's levers but..................who knows?

Let's compare the two gentlemen, here's two candid pics of them to compare from 1976 during the peak of both men's athletic careers:




Doug young could only bench 360 in college weighing 215 and drug free....I used to see him at a local sporting goods store where he worked and I had a relative in the Phy's Ed. dept. at Texas Tech who related Dougs bench press to me. It always made me wonder what drugs would have done for me because I've benched 385 drug free weighing 15 lbs. less.

 
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« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2018, 08:30:09 AM »

I bench 700lbs with my arm in a sling, you are not allowed to call me out on it or I will tell the mods.

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« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2018, 08:30:59 AM »


  Shocked  !! You canít say that about brad !! Heís got videos all over the place to prove it  Roll Eyes
Youíll be upsetting 1 or 2 of his loyal supporters/ followers on here  Cry

Itís god damn real to them.
 

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« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2018, 08:38:09 AM »

"Doug young could only bench 360 in college weighing 215 and drug free....I used to see him at a local sporting goods store where he worked and I had a relative in the Phy's Ed. dept. at Texas Tech who related Dougs bench press to me. It always made me wonder what drugs would have done for me because I've benched 385 drug free weighing 15 lbs. less."



That Doug used test and dbol at least as heavily as any other lifter competing at the world level at that time is certainly indisputable.

The story of his almost unbelievable self transformation is well documented by those around him at the time and has been reported by Terry Todd in his iconic article from which I quote:

"he stepped on the scales of the local gym and weighed 178 pounds. That same day, to test his strength, he worked up in the bench press to a maximum single of 305 pounds. That was on January 26, 1973. Approximately eight months later, on October 1st, 1973, he came back to the gym, weighed in at 260 and worked up in the bench press to a high of 540 pounds. Yes Ė 540 pounds Ė a gain of 235 pounds in eight months. These truly incredible gains were made by Doug Young, a man who is now the 242-pound champion of the world. "

No way this occurred without drugs, not in any plausible case scenario , and Doug never claimed so. Doug knew something about how to put eating, drugging and lifting together in such a way that would have made him an expert in his day even without his incredible knack for figuring out technique tweaks that are still used by raw benchers today. I wonder what he and Arnold discussed in terms of maximizing drug use, I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't have come up.

However, to over-credit the drugs, that every other lifter had easy and equal access to in those days, and discount the training style and genetic potential would be short sighted.



Speaking of iconic, a popular early eighties cover while still he was still top dog.
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« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2018, 01:35:17 PM »

"Doug young could only bench 360 in college weighing 215 and drug free....I used to see him at a local sporting goods store where he worked and I had a relative in the Phy's Ed. dept. at Texas Tech who related Dougs bench press to me. It always made me wonder what drugs would have done for me because I've benched 385 drug free weighing 15 lbs. less."



That Doug used test and dbol at least as heavily as any other lifter competing at the world level at that time is certainly indisputable.

The story of his almost unbelievable self transformation is well documented by those around him at the time and has been reported by Terry Todd in his iconic article from which I quote:

"he stepped on the scales of the local gym and weighed 178 pounds. That same day, to test his strength, he worked up in the bench press to a maximum single of 305 pounds. That was on January 26, 1973. Approximately eight months later, on October 1st, 1973, he came back to the gym, weighed in at 260 and worked up in the bench press to a high of 540 pounds. Yes Ė 540 pounds Ė a gain of 235 pounds in eight months. These truly incredible gains were made by Doug Young, a man who is now the 242-pound champion of the world. "

No way this occurred without drugs, not in any plausible case scenario , and Doug never claimed so. Doug knew something about how to put eating, drugging and lifting together in such a way that would have made him an expert in his day even without his incredible knack for figuring out technique tweaks that are still used by raw benchers today. I wonder what he and Arnold discussed in terms of maximizing drug use, I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't have come up.

However, to over-credit the drugs, that every other lifter had easy and equal access to in those days, and discount the training style and genetic potential would be short sighted.



Speaking of iconic, a popular early eighties cover while still he was still top dog.


One of the greats of powerlifting back then.
Great build - likely could of done well in bodybuilding
Had he chose to pursue that route.
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« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2018, 11:08:30 PM »

RE: Arnold and the 500 lb. bench claim

When you look at the guys who we KNOW were putting up those bench numbers in those days - like say Doug Young (who was retained by Arnold to help him "add mass" - essentially becoming the first personal trainer per se), we see that Arnold's levers / mechanics seem somewhat disadvantaged in comparison. At the time Doug was setting Worlds records in the low 600's competing at around Arnold's off season weight. But on the other hand, I suppose that when the best bencher on the planet is training you- there might be a few secret tips shared ?

While it's not impossible, I personally think it's an exaggerated claim considering Arnold's levers but..................who knows?

Let's compare the two gentlemen, here's two candid pics of them to compare from 1976 during the peak of both men's athletic careers:

 
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« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2018, 08:03:23 AM »

"Doug young could only bench 360 in college weighing 215 and drug free....I used to see him at a local sporting goods store where he worked and I had a relative in the Phy's Ed. dept. at Texas Tech who related Dougs bench press to me. It always made me wonder what drugs would have done for me because I've benched 385 drug free weighing 15 lbs. less."



That Doug used test and dbol at least as heavily as any other lifter competing at the world level at that time is certainly indisputable.

The story of his almost unbelievable self transformation is well documented by those around him at the time and has been reported by Terry Todd in his iconic article from which I quote:






I used to see him around town (Lubbock) in the mid 1960's....He was a 215 lb. guard on the Texas Tech football team and the strongest guy also. Tremendous athlete though. I was told he threw the shot 60 feet while weighing only 175....in high school.
"he stepped on the scales of the local gym and weighed 178 pounds. That same day, to test his strength, he worked up in the bench press to a maximum single of 305 pounds. That was on January 26, 1973. Approximately eight months later, on October 1st, 1973, he came back to the gym, weighed in at 260 and worked up in the bench press to a high of 540 pounds. Yes Ė 540 pounds Ė a gain of 235 pounds in eight months. These truly incredible gains were made by Doug Young, a man who is now the 242-pound champion of the world. "

No way this occurred without drugs, not in any plausible case scenario , and Doug never claimed so. Doug knew something about how to put eating, drugging and lifting together in such a way that would have made him an expert in his day even without his incredible knack for figuring out technique tweaks that are still used by raw benchers today. I wonder what he and Arnold discussed in terms of maximizing drug use, I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't have come up.

However, to over-credit the drugs, that every other lifter had easy and equal access to in those days, and discount the training style and genetic potential would be short sighted.



Speaking of iconic, a popular early eighties cover while still he was still top dog.
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« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2018, 06:13:39 AM »

"Doug young could only bench 360 in college weighing 215 and drug free....I used to see him at a local sporting goods store where he worked and I had a relative in the Phy's Ed. dept. at Texas Tech who related Dougs bench press to me. It always made me wonder what drugs would have done for me because I've benched 385 drug free weighing 15 lbs. less."



That Doug used test and dbol at least as heavily as any other lifter competing at the world level at that time is certainly indisputable.

The story of his almost unbelievable self transformation is well documented by those around him at the time and has been reported by Terry Todd in his iconic article from which I quote:

"he stepped on the scales of the local gym and weighed 178 pounds. That same day, to test his strength, he worked up in the bench press to a maximum single of 305 pounds. That was on January 26, 1973. Approximately eight months later, on October 1st, 1973, he came back to the gym, weighed in at 260 and worked up in the bench press to a high of 540 pounds. Yes Ė 540 pounds Ė a gain of 235 pounds in eight months. These truly incredible gains were made by Doug Young, a man who is now the 242-pound champion of the world. "

No way this occurred without drugs, not in any plausible case scenario , and Doug never claimed so. Doug knew something about how to put eating, drugging and lifting together in such a way that would have made him an expert in his day even without his incredible knack for figuring out technique tweaks that are still used by raw benchers today. I wonder what he and Arnold discussed in terms of maximizing drug use, I find it hard to believe that it wouldn't have come up.

However, to over-credit the drugs, that every other lifter had easy and equal access to in those days, and discount the training style and genetic potential would be short sighted.



Speaking of iconic, a popular early eighties cover while still he was still top dog.

They don't make guys like Doug anymore, he broke or dislocated a rib squatting 740lsb and still benched and deadlifted after this and collapsed in pain after a 700lb deadlift walking off stage
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« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2018, 06:38:14 AM »

They don't make guys like Doug anymore, he broke or dislocated a rib squatting 740lsb and still benched and deadlifted after this and collapsed in pain after a 700lb deadlift walking off stage

1977 Worlds -

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6JmRzEAlQE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6JmRzEAlQE</a>.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boGkOubCjsU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boGkOubCjsU</a>.
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« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2018, 07:54:24 AM »

Doug's brother Bob was even more of a freak. On a high school recruiting trip to U of Texas he walked over to a 315 lb bar on the rack and jerked/pressed it overhead. The head coach at Texas said Bob and one other guy (NFL hall of famer) were the 2 best athletes he ever coached. Bob used to run his 40 yard sprints with the running backs because he was so fast and he was about six three and 280...Spent 12 years in the NFL as an all pro....Both brothers died relatively young.
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« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2018, 08:58:14 AM »

The impressive thing about Paul Anderson is that he really was 100% natural. The powerlifters today they are all on steroids
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« Reply #49 on: February 16, 2018, 09:13:52 AM »

Doug's brother Bob was even more of a freak. On a high school recruiting trip to U of Texas he walked over to a 315 lb bar on the rack and jerked/pressed it overhead. The head coach at Texas said Bob and one other guy (NFL hall of famer) were the 2 best athletes he ever coached. Bob used to run his 40 yard sprints with the running backs because he was so fast and he was about six three and 280...Spent 12 years in the NFL as an all pro....Both brothers died relatively young.
bob young competed in the nfl's strongest man contest and came in third to mike webster and jon kolb.. alzado bombed out in this contest pretty bad and upped the dose soon after.


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