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« Reply #50 on: February 16, 2018, 10:58:06 AM »

bob young competed in the nfl's strongest man contest and came in third to mike webster and jon kolb.. alzado bombed out in this contest pretty bad and upped the dose soon after.
the events were 350 lb bench press for reps. i don't think alzado got one rep. 500 lb squat for reps, 550 deadlift for reps. cheat curls for reps forget the weight. might have been one other lift.
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« Reply #51 on: February 16, 2018, 02:37:56 PM »

The impressive thing about Paul Anderson is that he really was 100% natural. The powerlifters today they are all on steroids

Really - How will ever know one way or the other.
And does it really matter man has been trying & using different potions from Day 1 to improve
Physical performance in one way or another.

Natural - what does that mean. ?
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« Reply #52 on: February 16, 2018, 04:38:46 PM »

Tom Walters is in his late 70's early 80's, Marine, Hall of Fame Olympic lifter who still competes in Olympic lifts and powerlifting. He was at a seminar back in the day that Paul Anderson held in Myrtle Beach. Tom says Paul squatted 1100lbs Olympic squat with more in the tank.
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« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2018, 09:57:46 AM »

I saw a newspaper photo of Paul Anderson shortly before he died. He was sitting on the edge of his hospital bed holding his I.V.....Article said he was 200 lbs. and on kidney dialysis.
Steroids and kidney failure go together...
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« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2018, 03:17:48 PM »

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« Reply #55 on: February 18, 2018, 03:59:55 PM »

Really - How will ever know one way or the other.
And does it really matter man has been trying & using different potions from Day 1 to improve
Physical performance in one way or another.

Natural - what does that mean. ?

The only one who really knows is Paul.  I trust his word as he lived his life as a man of honor.  As for the meaning of natural, I guess it means "on your own". No drugs.  No rubber lifting suits.  Just you and what the training does for you.

If some think Paul was a liar, then that's on them.  I have no problem with Anderson's accomplishments.  Same with Steve Reeves.  I look at guys like Heath and think that without the dope, they would be so itsy-bitsy-teensie-weensie.  And they would.  Their natural state is to be small.  Yeah, training would help them but they would top out at 165 or so and there's nothing wrong with that but the problem is our egos are the biggest thing on us and it takes over and the next thing you know, you're shooting shit in your butt (no homo alert!).
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« Reply #56 on: February 18, 2018, 11:39:35 PM »

Anderson may well have squatted what he claims, MANY powerlifters hit their all time PR's in the gym and NOT on the platform due to various reasons (General nervousness, choking in front of crowds, self conscious -not fully focused, weight cutting, social anxiety, etc.) , the issue (in my mind at least) is more the quality, would his squat have passed in competition? Without photographic evidence we can't know, that's why competition results are the standard.

The unspoken other side of the coin is, what could / did someone like Lee Moran squat in the gym? Ed Coan is full of stories of higher gym lifts than comp lifts that he's done and witnessed. Paul Anderson has a legitimate place as a pioneer  in iron history but between his unsubstantiated and patently false claims (Pics clearly  reveal poundages lighter than that claimed in some) it's apparent that he had a remarkable  gift for self promotion that rivaled his lifting talents.
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« Reply #57 on: February 18, 2018, 11:58:50 PM »

The only one who really knows is Paul.  I trust his word as he lived his life as a man of honor.  As for the meaning of natural, I guess it means "on your own". No drugs.  No rubber lifting suits.  Just you and what the training does for you.

If some think Paul was a liar, then that's on them.  I have no problem with Anderson's accomplishments.  Same with Steve Reeves.  I look at guys like Heath and think that without the dope, they would be so itsy-bitsy-teensie-weensie.  And they would.  Their natural state is to be small.  Yeah, training would help them but they would top out at 165 or so and there's nothing wrong with that but the problem is our egos are the biggest thing on us and it takes over and the next thing you know, you're shooting shit in your butt (no homo alert!).



I can see where you are coming from.
As for believing what Paul said again that is understandable.
He did live in an era where steroids were legally available & not seen as taboo
As you said only he knows.

I question the Term Natural that is bandied about like some kind of angelic halo
It is in mans nature to push himself / want to be the best & do what he can to achieve that

Natural to me would mean they would shun any & all types of drugs full stop.
No medication from dentists/ doctors / hospitals no caffeine / alcohol nothing nada.

Just look at the absolute bollocks at the olympics - Totally against Drugs ( hmm )
Until they are not well then they can have therapeutic drug use  Roll Eyes  total hypocrisy
You either use drugs or you donít no grey area no ifís & butís.
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« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2018, 03:14:36 PM »

Paul was the strongest ever WITHOUT steroids
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« Reply #59 on: February 20, 2018, 04:23:57 PM »

They claim 1200 but if that was the case he would have been capable of clean and jerking a lot more

Different bars, different weight distribution and no true specialists like we see today. Technique has come a long way bundled with technology / active-feedback to perfect it further, combined with the good old drug-regime.

On a sidenote, it's about goddamn time the IWF reinstates Taranenko's record and stops acting like it never happened.
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« Reply #60 on: February 20, 2018, 04:59:50 PM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULZpTYSwlTs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULZpTYSwlTs</a>.

You can see Anderson at the end of that.

Also these fellow has Anderson's Powerlifting USA tape from years ago up, if anyone is interested -

www.youtube.com/user/protaktiniumas/videos .

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« Reply #61 on: February 22, 2018, 04:51:17 PM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULZpTYSwlTs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULZpTYSwlTs</a>.

You can see Anderson at the end of that.

Also these fellow has Anderson's Powerlifting USA tape from years ago up, if anyone is interested -

www.youtube.com/user/protaktiniumas/videos .



Wouldn't Anderson have been flagged there for pushpressing??
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« Reply #62 on: February 22, 2018, 05:12:50 PM »

It's extra ugly, but that style of Jerk was legal under the 1956 rules, but I wouldn't want to try and use it now. Anderson is the only guy I can think of that did them that way.

Edit - best defense of of Anderson's odd style I seen:

Dresdin Archibald -


What passed for Paul's clean and jerk was actually a push press. Referees were more generous with his jerks due to his lack of flexibility. And it's also hard to turn down a record lift made in a style more difficult than the orthodox one. But was it a legitimate jerk?

 IWF Technical Rule 2.2.2 states, "The athlete bends the legs and extends them as well as the arms to bring the bar to the full stretch of the arms vertically extended." The rule does not state that the legs must split or re-bend in order to lock out the bar. The following faults must also not occur as the jerk is completed:

2.4.3 Uneven or incomplete extension of the arms at the end of the lift.
2.4.4 Pause during the extension of the arms.
2.4.5 Finishing with a press-out.
2.4.6 Bending and extending the elbows during the recovery.
 
Paul indeed bent his legs and then extended them and drove the bar to full arm extension without any of the above faults. Some claim he pressed out the last couple of inches, but I believe it was only a shoulder shrug that gave that impression. Power jerks utilizing a second dip have been used by a number of athletes over the years, especially lately but this is the only example of a lifter using a push press to "jerk."
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« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2018, 12:47:09 AM »

It's extra ugly, but that style of Jerk was legal under the 1956 rules, but I wouldn't want to try and use it now. Anderson is the only guy I can think of that did them that way.

Edit - best defense of of Anderson's odd style I seen:

Dresdin Archibald -


What passed for Paul's clean and jerk was actually a push press. Referees were more generous with his jerks due to his lack of flexibility. And it's also hard to turn down a record lift made in a style more difficult than the orthodox one. But was it a legitimate jerk?

 IWF Technical Rule 2.2.2 states, "The athlete bends the legs and extends them as well as the arms to bring the bar to the full stretch of the arms vertically extended." The rule does not state that the legs must split or re-bend in order to lock out the bar. The following faults must also not occur as the jerk is completed:

2.4.3 Uneven or incomplete extension of the arms at the end of the lift.
2.4.4 Pause during the extension of the arms.
2.4.5 Finishing with a press-out.
2.4.6 Bending and extending the elbows during the recovery.
 
Paul indeed bent his legs and then extended them and drove the bar to full arm extension without any of the above faults. Some claim he pressed out the last couple of inches, but I believe it was only a shoulder shrug that gave that impression. Power jerks utilizing a second dip have been used by a number of athletes over the years, especially lately but this is the only example of a lifter using a push press to "jerk."


2.4.3 Uneven or incomplete extension of the arms at the end of the lift.

This infringement - Left arm.
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« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2018, 06:28:56 AM »

Yeah, I would've called it for that too. A lot of Anderson's C/J's, Presses, etc.... have things like that in them. That Paragraph was from
 a defense of his whole style though. I've seen all types of descriptions of how he was getting stuff up there. No one really wants to say that he's Clean and Push Pressing it.

He really is a good descriptor of the whole strength vs technique argument OL lifters have.
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« Reply #65 on: February 26, 2018, 08:11:36 AM »

I don't need steroids, just like Paul didn't need steroids
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« Reply #66 on: February 26, 2018, 12:30:43 PM »

I don't need steroids, just like Paul didn't need steroids

Good for you.

Though you will never know for sure if he did or didnít use steroids.
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« Reply #67 on: February 26, 2018, 05:51:30 PM »

Good for you.

Though you will never know for sure if he did or didnít use steroids.
Oh he didn't, he was a true Christian. He ate a ton of food. People don't know this, but eating a ton of food to the point you weigh like 400 lbs, plus lifting extremely heavy, makes you super strong, fast, without the need of steroids. But as a bodybuilder I wanna be ripped (perfect six pack) so strength comes very slowly
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« Reply #68 on: February 27, 2018, 01:06:31 AM »

Oh he didn't, he was a true Christian. He ate a ton of food. People don't know this, but eating a ton of food to the point you weigh like 400 lbs, plus lifting extremely heavy, makes you super strong, fast, without the need of steroids. But as a bodybuilder I wanna be ripped (perfect six pack) so strength comes very slowly
shut it gimmick...
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« Reply #69 on: February 27, 2018, 02:29:21 AM »

"After a guided tour, Mr. Peoples asked if I would care to do some of the deep knee bends that he had heard so much about. I replied that I would. When he asked what Iíd like to warm up with I told him that I did very little warming up and asked to put about 600 on the bar. He seemed amazed but he politely proceeded to help Bob Taylor load up the big bar. I then put the bar across my shoulders, stepped back, went into a full deep knee bend and came back up. Being young and sort of frisky, I did a second repetition and then replaced the barbell back on the rack. Mr. Peoples was mighty surprised."

- excerpted from ' MY BEGINNINGS' by Paul Anderson


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« Reply #70 on: February 27, 2018, 05:20:30 AM »

Oh he didn't, he was a true Christian. He ate a ton of food. People don't know this, but eating a ton of food to the point you weigh like 400 lbs, plus lifting extremely heavy, makes you super strong, fast, without the need of steroids. But as a bodybuilder I wanna be ripped (perfect six pack) so strength comes very slowly

Jeezus - Man you have so much to learn
1, about Christians
2, about people saying one thing & doing another
3, about eating
4, about training
5, about life in general
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« Reply #71 on: March 01, 2018, 07:41:36 AM »

Paul was natural. You'd be surprised at how strong you get if you pigged out everyday while lifting extreme heavy weights
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« Reply #72 on: March 01, 2018, 08:53:41 AM »

I admit being troubled by this question. Every day, it festers in my mind alongside whether the inimitable Milo of Crete, early advocate of the bovine progressive overload principle, was really killed and eaten by a superpack of wolves while in midfeat of tearing a tree in half with his powerfully calloused hands. Unlike some Getbigger's bums, these problems are impenetrable. I am vexed sorely (no homo) by the fact that we'll never truly know. Balls!
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« Reply #73 on: March 01, 2018, 07:15:24 PM »

I admit being troubled by this question. Every day, it festers in my mind alongside whether the inimitable Milo of Crete, early advocate of the bovine progressive overload principle, was really killed and eaten by a superpack of wolves while in midfeat of tearing a tree in half with his powerfully calloused hands. Unlike some Getbigger's bums, these problems are impenetrable. I am vexed sorely (no homo) by the fact that we'll never truly know. Balls!

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« Reply #74 on: March 01, 2018, 10:35:40 PM »



I can see where you are coming from.
As for believing what Paul said again that is understandable.
He did live in an era where steroids were legally available & not seen as taboo
As you said only he knows.

I question the Term Natural that is bandied about like some kind of angelic halo
It is in mans nature to push himself / want to be the best & do what he can to achieve that

Natural to me would mean they would shun any & all types of drugs full stop.
No medication from dentists/ doctors / hospitals no caffeine / alcohol nothing nada.

Just look at the absolute bollocks at the olympics - Totally against Drugs ( hmm )
Until they are not well then they can have therapeutic drug use  Roll Eyes  total hypocrisy
You either use drugs or you donít no grey area no ifís & butís.

'Natural' in terms of bodybuilding or sport means no use of synthetic hormones, drugs which increase hormone levels beyond what the body for that individual is able to naturally produce.
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