† Billy Graham, 'America's Pastor' And Noted Televangelist, Dead At 99 †

[The Scott]

"ritard" is from the hangover you fucking dolt.

It's called the ability to express oneself via writing vs typing.   You simple minded son of a simian sack of shit are a typist. 

[LurkerNoMore]

By definition, you're absolutely correct.
You're incorrect on points2-4, or you're basing these ideas on false Christian organizations.

No I am not.

Examples :
 2 - live by these rules or else AFTER death you will be punished or rewarded.   Yeah, wait until people die so they can't come back and tell everyone it is a crock of shit.

3 - Talking snakes, cloning another gender from a rib, Noah's Ark, dividing a sea, returning from the dead... this complete absence of free thought.   Things that are scientifically proven to be impossible, but just ignore that and buy into the fairy tale.  Don't be realistic, don't form your own opinion... follow the opinion of uneducated superstitious men a thousand  years ago.

4 - Uhhh?   Wanting to put "God" back into schools?  Politicians claiming they follow God's Law and not the Constitution or state/federal laws.  How many parents asked their children if they wanted to go to church before hauling them along with them when they go? 

[Dave D]

No I am not.

Examples :
 2 - live by these rules or else AFTER death you will be punished or rewarded.   Yeah, wait until people die so they can't come back and tell everyone it is a crock of shit.

3 - Talking snakes, cloning another gender from a rib, Noah's Ark, dividing a sea, returning from the dead... this complete absence of free thought.   Things that are scientifically proven to be impossible, but just ignore that and buy into the fairy tale.  Don't be realistic, don't form your own opinion... follow the opinion of uneducated superstitious men a thousand  years ago.

4 - Uhhh?   Wanting to put "God" back into schools?  Politicians claiming they follow God's Law and not the Constitution or state/federal laws.  How many parents asked their children if they wanted to go to church before hauling them along with them when they go? 

Bro I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience with the Christian religion. It sounds like you were exposed to some horrible teaching and it's lifestyle.

Point 2 was on unquestioning obedience,  which biblically speaking isn't true. Even Jesus questioned God in the garden asking that He not have to go through with the "cup of suffering". We know that Jesus did fulfill his purpose, but even He questioned God. Any other biblical account deals with man questioning God or asking for alternatives. The God of the bible is loving and gracious. He doesn't have a list of do this, this and this or you're damned.

3. This point is based on point 1 of blind faith. The whole concept of a man  being formed from dirt, a virgin birth and being risen from the dead is also a tough idea to grasp.  That said we know today that via artificial insemination we can have a virgin give birth, people have been brought back from clinicall death,  and we also know that the 59 elements found in the human body are all found on the earth crust (as opposed to elements from the earth core).

I understand what you're saying but science can also be used to prove biblical accounts.

4. Forced indoctrination is more of a political move. Jesus never forced himself onto others.  He didn't try to overthrow Rome or establish an earthly kingdom.

Children don't get to choose in life period. None are asked where they want to live, if they want to go to school, what kind of diet they should have.....going to church is an extension of this.

Politicians play off of the emotions of the simple.  Republicans will eliminate abortions, Democrats will out law guns; nothing changes.

[Hulkotron]

Who

[LurkerNoMore]

Bro I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience with the Christian religion. It sounds like you were exposed to some horrible teaching and it's lifestyle.

Point 2 was on unquestioning obedience,  which biblically speaking isn't true. Even Jesus questioned God in the garden asking that He not have to go through with the "cup of suffering". We know that Jesus did fulfill his purpose, but even He questioned God. Any other biblical account deals with man questioning God or asking for alternatives. The God of the bible is loving and gracious. He doesn't have a list of do this, this and this or you're damned.

3. This point is based on point 1 of blind faith. The whole concept of a man  being formed from dirt, a virgin birth and being risen from the dead is also a tough idea to grasp.  That said we know today that via artificial insemination we can have a virgin give birth, people have been brought back from clinicall death,  and we also know that the 59 elements found in the human body are all found on the earth crust (as opposed to elements from the earth core).

I understand what you're saying but science can also be used to prove biblical accounts.

4. Forced indoctrination is more of a political move. Jesus never forced himself onto others.  He didn't try to overthrow Rome or establish an earthly kingdom.

Children don't get to choose in life period. None are asked where they want to live, if they want to go to school, what kind of diet they should have.....going to church is an extension of this.

Politicians play off of the emotions of the simple.  Republicans will eliminate abortions, Democrats will out law guns; nothing changes.

Hang on now... I am not basing my points on the religion itself solely via it's principles or "tales".  I am basing it on the very foundation of it existing in the first place and the actions of followers in the past and in modern times.

2 - unquestioning obedience.  You have to follow his words precisely.  But he doesn't.  You can't kill, but he can murder all his children if he wants.  Abortion is immoral, yet God participating in abortion by striking the fruit from the womb of women of the people who displeased him, etc..

3 - artificial insemination and returning from clinical death are more on account of science and technology than "God". 

4 - Indoctrination - when people want God in schools, it is usually just their God.  They only want students exposed to the deity they claim to follow.

The part in bold is exactly what I am getting at.  God doesn't say anything.  Not a single part of the Bible is God's true word.  It is man's interpretation of God's word on how he WANTS it to be which as evidence always suggests, when God wants someone to do something, it always appears to be the case that the action was what that person wanted to do in the first place.  Funny how God's Will always seem to align with what that person's opinion or choice is anyway.

Now Jesus did have teachings.  Which again, as evidence shows, his so called followers sure don't follow themselves. 

[AbrahamG]

It's called the ability to express oneself via writing vs typing.   You simple minded son of a simian sack of shit are a typist. 

I guess you are the resident genius around here, Randy.

[The Scott]

I guess you are the resident genius around here, Randy.

Maybe compared to you but not to many others here. I have an average (if that) IQ but I also have a sense of humor.

Something you seem to lack.  But, I was Christian and now am not.  I am honest.  Go ahead, fuck with the faith and I may step in and make you look worse than a mirror in the morning.

I despise fake followers of the Nazarene but perhaps even more, those that hate the Christ, who was the most complete man to walk this earth, for no
other reason than his words show them who they are.  Nah.  Both sides of that coin are pussies.

[AbrahamG]

Maybe compared to you but not to many others here. I have an average (if that) IQ but I also have a sense of humor.

Something you seem to lack.  But, I was Christian and now am not.  I am honest.  Go ahead, fuck with the faith and I may step in and make you look worse than a mirror in the morning.

I despise fake followers of the Nazarene but perhaps even more, those that hate the Christ, who was the most complete man to walk this earth, for no
other reason than his words show them who they are.  Nah.  Both sides of that coin are pussies.

Wow.  We've really opened Pandora's box.  Have you ever sought treatment/therapy?  Nothing to be ashamed about.  I would at least go that route before hopping on meds.

[The Scott]

Wow.  We've really opened Pandora's box.  Have you ever sought treatment/therapy?  Nothing to be ashamed about.  I would at least go that route before hopping on meds.

Wow. You really are a fucking moron. What? Never expected to be called on your shit?  I'm honestly  surprised, albeit mildly so, that you seem to know who Pandora was.  I do question the term "box" used by you along with "Pandora".  Do you think it means "vagina" or "mangina"? 

Given your obvious idiocy, I am guessing both as you're doubtless a man of the world.  You know, like Wiggs.  Let me be blunt (no, not a marijuana cigarette or a talentless "singer"), you can make fun of the Nazarene all you want, I will just point out the obvious about you and your simplistic suppositions regarding him.

And one more thing.  You were too skeered to look in that mirror, huh? It's because it is your personal picture of Dorian Gay.  Oh.  That's a play on "Dorian Gray", not Dorian Yates.  I recommend you have your mom read it to you but only in the daytime.  It might frighten you.

"Have you ever sought therapy"...How original.  How unique.  How pathetic.  Given your wonderful economy with words, you must be a real bodybuilder.

[Agnostic007]

Maybe compared to you but not to many others here. I have an average (if that) IQ but I also have a sense of humor.

Something you seem to lack.  But, I was Christian and now am not.  I am honest.  Go ahead, fuck with the faith and I may step in and make you look worse than a mirror in the morning.

I despise fake followers of the Nazarene but perhaps even more, those that hate the Christ, who was the most complete man to walk this earth, for no
other reason than his words show them who they are.  Nah.  Both sides of that coin are pussies.

can there not be a different category? Can you not be non christian and NOT hate the biblical Christ or Jesus? The character of Jesus is pretty cool. Unfortunately, with the cherry picking of the biblical Jesus' teaching, many christians have used it for nefarious reasons. 

[AbrahamG]

Wow. You really are a fucking moron. What? Never expected to be called on your shit?  I'm honestly  surprised, albeit mildly so, that you seem to know who Pandora was.  I do question the term "box" used by you along with "Pandora".  Do you think it means "vagina" or "mangina"? 

Given your obvious idiocy, I am guessing both as you're doubtless a man of the world.  You know, like Wiggs.  Let me be blunt (no, not a marijuana cigarette or a talentless "singer"), you can make fun of the Nazarene all you want, I will just point out the obvious about you and your simplistic suppositions regarding him.

And one more thing.  You were too skeered to look in that mirror, huh? It's because it is your personal picture of Dorian Gay.  Oh.  That's a play on "Dorian Gray", not Dorian Yates.  I recommend you have your mom read it to you but only in the daytime.  It might frighten you.

"Have you ever sought therapy"...How original.  How unique.  How pathetic.  Given your wonderful economy with words, you must be a real bodybuilder.

Please, keep "calling me on my shit".  I'll back off.  I don't want to ruin your weekend.

[The Scott]

can there not be a different category? Can you not be non christian and NOT hate the biblical Christ or Jesus? The character of Jesus is pretty cool. Unfortunately, with the cherry picking of the biblical Jesus' teaching, many christians have used it for nefarious reasons. 

It's not just "christians" that cherry pick, atheists are famous for doing so.  Perhaps their favorite quote is the one about "judge not, lest you be judged".

Fuck those idiots.  So now we're not allowed to "judge" anyone or anything?  No right and no wrong?  For this is how these cretins use that passage, to make what they do beyond reproach.  Men will do as they please and call it the will of God when reality is that it's nothing more than the desire of men.

Christ did not come to call the pure.  He said, "Go and sin no more", not "Go and sin some more".   As for the definition of a cult, I would say it's a "religion" without political power.

And I have never had a "religion".  I had FAITH. Butterbean and MoS both have FAITH.  I put no faith in religion for by that term men have long done evil in the name of God.  And I put less trust in men. To know why, look in a mirror and reflect upon that which gazes back at you.  A man.  If we are indeed made in the image of God, we have taken that image and photo shopped the hell, not out of it, but rather into it.

Never follow a pastor, minister or priest.  And stay clear of any and all imams and muslime shit.   I have said this before but place any man, or for that matter woman, on a pedestal and they will without fail, one day look down on you.  Jesus of Nazareth was more than a man.  Aspire to live as he taught but expect to fail.  Never hide your failures for even if there is no God, there is still one who knows you've lied and that being you.

Enough my friend.  It is getting late for me. Have a good evening, brother!

[Agnostic007]

It's not just "christians" that cherry pick, atheists are famous for doing so.  Perhaps their favorite quote is the one about "judge not, lest you be judged".

Fuck those idiots.  So now we're not allowed to "judge" anyone or anything?  No right and no wrong?  For this is how these cretins use that passage, to make what they do beyond reproach.  Men will do as they please and call it the will of God when reality is that it's nothing more than the desire of men.

Christ did not come to call the pure.  He said, "Go and sin no more", not "Go and sin some more".   As for the definition of a cult, I would say it's a "religion" without political power.

And I have never had a "religion".  I had FAITH. Butterbean and MoS both have FAITH.  I put no faith in religion for by that term men have long done evil in the name of God.  And I put less trust in men. To know why, look in a mirror and reflect upon that which gazes back at you.  A man.  If we are indeed made in the image of God, we have taken that image and photo shopped the hell, not out of it, but rather into it.

Never follow a pastor, minister or priest.  And stay clear of any and all imams and muslime shit.   I have said this before but place any man, or for that matter woman, on a pedestal and they will without fail, one day look down on you.  Jesus of Nazareth was more than a man.  Aspire to live as he taught but expect to fail.  Never hide your failures for even if there is no God, there is still one who knows you've lied and that being you.

Enough my friend.  It is getting late for me. Have a good evening, brother!

Take care Scott

[Coach is Back!]

Bro I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience with the Christian religion. It sounds like you were exposed to some horrible teaching and it's lifestyle.

Point 2 was on unquestioning obedience,  which biblically speaking isn't true. Even Jesus questioned God in the garden asking that He not have to go through with the "cup of suffering". We know that Jesus did fulfill his purpose, but even He questioned God. Any other biblical account deals with man questioning God or asking for alternatives. The God of the bible is loving and gracious. He doesn't have a list of do this, this and this or you're damned.

3. This point is based on point 1 of blind faith. The whole concept of a man  being formed from dirt, a virgin birth and being risen from the dead is also a tough idea to grasp.  That said we know today that via artificial insemination we can have a virgin give birth, people have been brought back from clinicall death,  and we also know that the 59 elements found in the human body are all found on the earth crust (as opposed to elements from the earth core).

I understand what you're saying but science can also be used to prove biblical accounts.

4. Forced indoctrination is more of a political move. Jesus never forced himself onto others.  He didn't try to overthrow Rome or establish an earthly kingdom.

Children don't get to choose in life period. None are asked where they want to live, if they want to go to school, what kind of diet they should have.....going to church is an extension of this.

Politicians play off of the emotions of the simple.  Republicans will eliminate abortions, Democrats will out law guns; nothing changes.

Since when is Christianity a “religion”?

[Agnostic007]

Since when is Christianity a “religion”?

about 33 A.D. give or take a few years

[Coach is Back!]

about 33 A.D. give or take a few years

Difference between faith and religion. Try again

[Agnostic007]

Difference between faith and religion. Try again

can you rephrase your question or position? It sounds like you are trying to declare the song "Give me that old time religion" was inaccurate and for some reason you think Christianity isn't a religion. Which by the way is totally indefensible.   

[LurkerNoMore]

Since when is Christianity a “religion”?

What the fuck?  This is the stupidest thing you have ever said.  Which given the stupid shit you say every day, it's saying a lot. 

Since when is Christianity a faith?

Good Lord <--- literally, you are dumb as gnat shit. 

[Coach is Back!]

can you rephrase your question or position? It sounds like you are trying to declare the song "Give me that old time religion" was inaccurate and for some reason you think Christianity isn't a religion. Which by the way is totally indefensible.   

There are a lot things that could be considered "Religion" including atheism. When I say Christianity isn't a religion, what I'm saying is I don't subscribe to any organized "Religion" such as a denominational Church. I am by definition a Non-denominational Christian. What you and dimwit, Lurker are suggesting is that (from what I'm understanding) you must belong to an organized Church and follow the practices of that Church.

I'm not going drag this thread out because I'll just become neverending.

[Agnostic007]

There are a lot things that could be considered "Religion" including atheism. When I say Christianity isn't a religion, what I'm saying is I don't subscribe to any organized "Religion" such as a denominational Church. I am by definition a Non-denominational Christian. What you and dimwit, Lurker are suggesting is that (from what I'm understanding) you must belong to an organized Church and follow the practices of that Church.

I'm not going drag this thread out because I'll just become neverending.

No, atheism can't be considered a religion. It's like saying people who don't believe in Santa could be a religion. When you say Christianity isn't a religion, you're just ignoring the fact it is.

[Zillotch]

all of reality demonstrates a creator, creating 2 types

1 those who comprehend reality

2 the blind

[LurkerNoMore]

There are a lot things that could be considered "Religion" including atheism. When I say Christianity isn't a religion, what I'm saying is I don't subscribe to any organized "Religion" such as a denominational Church. I am by definition a Non-denominational Christian. What you and dimwit, Lurker are suggesting is that (from what I'm understanding) you must belong to an organized Church and follow the practices of that Church.

I'm not going drag this thread out because I'll just become neverending.

Which is why you are proving you are stupid beyond comprehension. 

But then again since you are a false Christian it doesn't matter what your definition of religion is.   

[LurkerNoMore]

No, atheism can't be considered a religion. It's like saying people who don't believe in Santa could be a religion. When you say Christianity isn't a religion, you're just ignoring the fact it is.

Claiming atheism is a religion is simply absurd.  It's the way gnat brain idiots like Coach attempt to refute the opposing view point by challenging them to prove a negative.  If atheism is a religion, what is it's God?  Hell, they can't even prove their Christian god exists and yet want to challenge someone as worshiping a non existing deity.  WTF?

[Coach is Back!]

Which is why you are proving you are stupid beyond comprehension.  

But then again since you are a false Christian it doesn't matter what your definition of religion is.  

When I'm in Fla in Aug I would really like to meet you. You talk A LOT of shit from a distance. But as it stands, you're still uninformed and yes, it can be considered a religion. But then again, I'm arguing with an atheist liberal who's never got it right.

[Parker]

If atheism is a religion, what is it's God? 

Science?