Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America

[ratherbebig]

Where's this?

looks like some european dump that is supposed to illustrate white superiority

[Pray_4_War]

I wasn't mocking anything

there are more guns in this country than people and this mass shooting thing isn't going away

the only solution is more guns

you disagree?

Simply having more guns isn't the plan you suggested.  You said we should issue guns to kindergartners.

It's an idiotic comment the intention of which isn't difficult to discern.  Mockery is a great tool for simpletons.  You can criticize the ideas of others without the burden of having to come up with an alternative yourself.

[SF1900]

The people from the NRA are absolutely bonkos!!

My friend, who owns about 15 guns, belonged to the NRA. After buying a home, he cancelled his NRA membership, as he did not want another unnecessary bill.

The people from the NRA kept calling and practically harassing him. They were literally screaming at him to JOIN AGAIN!! He said one guy called him, screaming into the phone, saying, "OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE OUR GUNS!!!"

After a few calls, they stopped bothering him lol

[SF1900]

Arming teachers is a ridiculously dumb idea.

What's funny, is that MANY state, city, and government buildings have armed guards who just stand there all day and protect others.

Yet, you want to arm teachers and give them yet another responsibility, on top of teaching. Why should teachers be "strapped" with another thing on their job description? Why is it okay to hire an armed guard for a government building solely to protect the people in the building, but you dont want to do the same for schools?

As I said in a previous thread, just like you have armed guards in court houses, put 2 armed guards at every school entrance.

Further, most teachers wont have the constitution to shoot someone:

The experts added that even with proper firearms training, to expect a teacher to be able to shoot down an attacker — and not accidentally injure anyone else — is unrealistic.

"To be trained is not just about shooting. Your heart is beating like crazy, your adrenaline is all over your body, and you have to make a wise decision about what to do," Hemenway said.

Brian Levin, a former officer with the New York Police Department, said in the heat of the moment, it's too easy to misfire. He recalled a time early in his career when he almost shot an unarmed man fleeing a shooting scene.

"Often times when you’re having an adrenaline-filled situation, you’re not sure who the target is," said Levin, who is now a criminal justice professor at California State University, San Bernardino

[Pray_4_War]

The people from the NRA are absolutely bonkos!!

My friend, who owns about 15 guns, belonged to the NRA. After buying a home, he cancelled his NRA membership, as he did not want another unnecessary bill.

The people from the NRA kept calling and practically harassing him. They were literally screaming at him to JOIN AGAIN!! He said one guy called him, screaming into the phone, saying, "OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE OUR GUNS!!!"

After a few calls, they stopped bothering him lol

My membership lapsed a few times over the years.  I got a lot of mail but no phone calls.

[SF1900]

My membership lapsed a few times over the years.  I got a lot of mail but no phone calls.

The people from the NRA just need to admit they really dont care about the constitution. They just care about filling their pockets, like most organizations.

How many of them would sell out for a few million? 

[Pray_4_War]

The people from the NRA just need to admit they really dont care about the constitution. They just care about filling their pockets, like most organizations.

How many of them would sell out for a few million?  

I don't agree with that.  The NRA is the only 2nd Amendment advocacy group that gets heard by Congress.  They have a seat at the table and it takes money to do that.

I may not agree with everything they say and do but when it comes to protecting the right to keep and bear arms, they are it.  Everybody else talks loud but they are just pissing in the wind.

[mazrim]

Arming teachers is a ridiculously dumb idea.

Disagree or allowing them to be armed would be more what I would point towards. Depends on the teacher/their background/training, etc. I wouldn't make it a "you have to be armed" scenario.

Fully agree with the rest of what you posted. No reason that we protect so much with armed security, etc. but will not protect our school kids.

[Pray_4_War]

Disagree or allowing them to be armed would be more what I would point towards. Depends on the teacher/their background/training, etc. I wouldn't make it a "you have to be armed" scenario.

Fully agree with the rest of what you posted. No reason that we protect so much with armed security, etc. but will not protect our school kids.

We protect our children with fucking signs.

[SF1900]

I don't agree with that.  The NRA is the only 2nd Amendment advocacy group that gets heard by Congress.  They have a seat at the table and it takes money to do that.

I may not agree with everything they say and do but when it comes to protecting the right to keep and bear arms, they are it.  Everybody else talks loud but they are just pissing in the wind.

Yes, they are it, because it fills their pockets with money. Most of them would not be into it if it wasn't making them money. I mean, that goes for most, if not all major organizations. Not just the NRA.

[SF1900]

Disagree or allowing them to be armed would be more what I would point towards. Depends on the teacher/their background/training, etc. I wouldn't make it a "you have to be armed" scenario.

Fully agree with the rest of what you posted. No reason that we protect so much with armed security, etc. but will not protect our school kids.

I agree, it shouldn't be a requirement.

The requirement should be 2 armed guards at every entrance, just like in many other city, state and government buildings.

Hell, people with a suitcase full of diamonds have armed guards protecting them. Why not our children? 

[Coach is Back!]

Arming teachers is a ridiculously dumb idea.

What's funny, is that MANY state, city, and government buildings have armed guards who just stand there all day and protect others.

Yet, you want to arm teachers and give them yet another responsibility, on top of teaching. Why should teachers be "strapped" with another thing on their job description? Why is it okay to hire an armed guard for a government building solely to protect the people in the building, but you dont want to do the same for schools?

As I said in a previous thread, just like you have armed guards in court houses, put 2 armed guards at every school entrance.

Further, most teachers wont have the constitution to shoot someone:

The experts added that even with proper firearms training, to expect a teacher to be able to shoot down an attacker — and not accidentally injure anyone else — is unrealistic.

"To be trained is not just about shooting. Your heart is beating like crazy, your adrenaline is all over your body, and you have to make a wise decision about what to do," Hemenway said.

Brian Levin, a former officer with the New York Police Department, said in the heat of the moment, it's too easy to misfire. He recalled a time early in his career when he almost shot an unarmed man fleeing a shooting scene.

"Often times when you’re having an adrenaline-filled situation, you’re not sure who the target is," said Levin, who is now a criminal justice professor at California State University, San Bernardino

Arming selective school staff members is one of the best solutions there is. You don’t make it known to the kids or parents which staff members are armed or not. There are several states that have already implemented it along time ago. Then you put a cop at certain areas of the school. Add metal detectors and/or X-ray (TSA) system and there you have it.

Either way, you have to arm staff members. It’s common sense.

[Pray_4_War]

Yes, they are it, because it fills their pockets with money. Most of them would not be into it if it wasn't making them money. I mean, that goes for most, if not all major organizations. Not just the NRA.

Baseless accusations.  Come on bro, you're better than this.

Do you even know anybody on the board at the NRA?  There are people in the world who have actual beliefs.   

[_bruce_]

 

[Pray_4_War]

[Straw Man]

Simply having more guns isn't the plan you suggested.  You said we should issue guns to kindergartners.

It's an idiotic comment the intention of which isn't difficult to discern.  Mockery is a great tool for simpletons.  You can criticize the ideas of others without the burden of having to come up with an alternative yourself.

OK, fair point

First day of elementary school then

See I can compromise

If all the kids at Sandyhook had guns then maybe a few less of them would be dead today

[Pray_4_War]

OK, fair point

First day of elementary school then

See I can compromise

If all the kids at Sandyhook had guns then maybe a few less of them would be dead today

Aaaaand, you've lost the debate. 

This is why most liberals don't want to debate gun control, because it's based on logic that doesn't hold up very well to scrutiny.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'm a gun owner and the NRA is a fucking joke , I NEVER joined , will never join , so many other better organizations who make real progress

[che]

The only solution is arming the teachers



If you don't fuck me , I will fucking shoot you .

[SF1900]

Arming selective school staff members is one of the best solutions there is. You don’t make it known to the kids or parents which staff members are armed or not. There are several states that have already implemented it along time ago. Then you put a cop at certain areas of the school. Add metal detectors and/or X-ray (TSA) system and there you have it.

Either way, you have to arm staff members. It’s common sense.

No, its not the best solution. Your logic makes ZERO sense.  You're fine with having armed guards at court houses to protect lawyers and judges, but then expect teachers to carry around guns. With that logic, get rid of the armed guards at court houses and let the judges and lawyers be strapped. You say "You have to arm teachers." So, why aren't judges or lawyers strapped? They don't need to be because that is what ARMED GUARDS are for. The same thing should apply to schools. The judges and lawyers need to do their job and leave the lethal enforcement up to the armed guards. The teachers need to do their job and leave lethal enforcement up to the armed guards. Maybe court houses don't have random shootings because of all the armed guards. Thus, the same logic would apply to schools. Yet, you want to arm the teachers, but not judges or lawyers. What about the armed guards who protect Citibank? By your logic, get rid of the armed guards who protect Citibank and just strap all the accountants and financial managers.  You seem to be totally fine with EVERYWHERE else having armed guards, except in schools, where you think the teachers should be strapped. Ridiculously, stupid logic.

The best solution is having 2-3 of these men standing at every school entrance (below picture). If you cannot see this, then there is no hope for you. Then again, you're obsessed with Trump, so of course you will go by whatever he says.

[SF1900]

Baseless accusations.  Come on bro, you're better than this.

Do you even know anybody on the board at the NRA?  There are people in the world who have actual beliefs.   

It's not a baseless accusation. Its based off of sound reasoning, which suggests that ALL organizations primarily care about ONE thing: Money. The NRA cares about money above all things. You cannot be an organization without thriving on capital. That's just a plain fact.

Do some of the people in the NRA care about guns and the 2nd amendment? Sure. But, I bet they care about the "bottom dollar" a lot more.

I think that is the way it works for MOST, if not ALL organizations, not just the NRA. Like, the organizations who care about social justice. They don't give two shits about social justice. They care about expanding their market to increase their capital.

[Pray_4_War]

It's not a baseless accusation. Its based off of sound reasoning, which suggests that ALL organizations primarily care about ONE thing: Money. The NRA cares about money above all things. You cannot be an organization without thriving on capital. That's just a plain fact.

Do some of the people in the NRA care about guns and the 2nd amendment? Sure. But, I bet they care about the "bottom dollar" a lot more.

I think that is the way it works for MOST, if not ALL organizations, not just the NRA. Like, the organizations who care about social justice. They don't give two shits about social justice. They care about expanding their market to increase their capital.

You do realize that the NR is a non-profit right?  lol.

[chaos]

I know ex-military guys that would love a job hanging out making sure our kids are safe. We protect our banks, government employees, amusement parks, etc with armed guards, why not our kids?
A point that was brought up to me is that after Sept 11th, we had dozens of cops/guards in our airports and TSA, why can't we do that for our kids in schools?

[SF1900]

You do realize that the NR is a non-profit right?  lol.

Someone always has their hands in someone else's pocket. 

[SOMEPARTS]

Guess none of you ever went to an inner city school. Although not armed, my high school had a security guy walking the grounds and that was a long time ago.