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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #50 on: February 22, 2018, 07:30:06 PM »
I know ex-military guys that would love a job hanging out making sure our kids are safe. We protect our banks, government employees, amusement parks, etc with armed guards, why not our kids?
A point that was brought up to me is that after Sept 11th, we had dozens of cops/guards in our airports and TSA, why can't we do that for our kids in schools?

That is why I am trying to figure out from Coach lol.

Airports--armed guards. Pilots, flight attendants and staff are not armed.
Court: armed guards. Judges, lawyers, social workers are not armed.
Citibank: armed guards. Accountants, secretaries, financial managers, etc not armed.
Department of motor vehicles: armed guards (yes, Ive seen this). DMV workers are not armed.
NYC subsway: armed guards or police. MTA workers are not armed.
Schools: NO armed guards. Arm the teachers.

Where is the logic in this? lol lol
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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #51 on: February 22, 2018, 07:32:32 PM »
Guess none of you ever went to an inner city school. Although not armed, my high school had a security guy walking the grounds and that was a long time ago.

I went to a horrible high school in NYC and we had a lot of security guards--unfortunately, many of them were dealing drugs to the students lol. Not to mention half of them would have crapped themselves at the sight of a gun.

We need truly trained people at schools. Not teachers or security guards.
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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2018, 08:43:46 PM »
The high school I went to had a police officer on foot. Sometimes 2.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2018, 09:39:33 PM »
Why do American schoolchildren not wear school
uniforms?

When I was at school, we all wore uniforms, had to look neat at all times and respect our uniform and there was a lot of discipline and respect. Whenever a teacher walked past we had to stand up and greet them and same when any entered the classroom, including the cleaners. If anyone was caught smoking or any other offence they had to wear a sign around their neck as they cleaned the school as punishment.

Without discipline and order, humans are just animals.


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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2018, 10:08:06 PM »
That is why I am trying to figure out from Coach lol.

Airports--armed guards. Pilots, flight attendants and staff are not armed.
Court: armed guards. Judges, lawyers, social workers are not armed.
Citibank: armed guards. Accountants, secretaries, financial managers, etc not armed.
Department of motor vehicles: armed guards (yes, Ive seen this). DMV workers are not armed.
NYC subsway: armed guards or police. MTA workers are not armed.
Schools: NO armed guards. Arm the teachers.

Where is the logic in this? lol lol

Where is the logic? Are you kidding? We’re taking about protecting kids in a school (let’s use mine for example) of almost 3000 kids. Certain chosen and willing staff members with conceal/ Carry, on campus police? Do you even realize how easy it to get into a school the size of what, a few hundred acres? As opposed to an area like a courtroom of maybe 3-4000 sqft? With X-ray and detectors? Get real.

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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #57 on: February 22, 2018, 10:14:29 PM »
Guess none of you ever went to an inner city school. Although not armed, my high school had a security guy walking the grounds and that was a long time ago.

For several years I visited all LA unified school district campuses in South Central (now called South LA  ::)).  I think every one had a continual LAPD presence.

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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #59 on: February 23, 2018, 02:46:37 AM »
There is no perfect solution to this but I think we should have armed security at schools.  Enough armed security to be effective in repelling attacks like this.  A big part of that is going to be making sure doors are locked once school starts so people can't just waltz onto a school campus and start spraying people.  If teachers want to carry and they are trained and able to carry safely then fine.  I don't think relying on teachers is the answer though.  Their job is hard enough already and most of them just aren't the type.  They aren't fighters.  Pay the fighters to fight.  Hire armed security.  We do it everywhere else that has valuable things in it.

These nut jobs are looking for soft targets where they will face little to no opposition.  Usually when someone starts shooting back at them they stop, flee, or shoot themselves in the head right there.  They want soft targets, period.  We can't continue to allow schools to be soft targets.  When the loonies see that we are going to stand and fight they will go somewhere else.  They are cowards.

I am usually leaning toward ensuring 2nd Amendment rights but this whole “arming the teachers” angle is riling me up. Stupid is the word:

1. It seems like just a way to avoid talking about the other aspects of the problem.
2. Above comment is correct, “teachers are just not the type”, Remember the old fashioned expression, “old maid school teacher.” Well, I know that’s not applicable any more but it’s still kind of applicable
3. If you give a financial incentive for the teacher to carry a gun, it’s going to do exactly what you don’t want it to do, give people who may have no aptitude but want extra income (many teachers) an incentive to get armed.
4. Dangerous to keep a firearm in your desk in a disorganized inner city type classroom. Students could get to it.
5. Impractical if the gun is locked up. Do you get to it in time? Some classrooms will have a gun but most won’t? The gun packing teacher will abandon his or her students and run down the hallway like a vigilante cop?

Individual school districts should have the right to do whatever they want. Maybe in Northern Michigan where everybody hunts it could work. But the President should shut up about it. He does not know what he’s talking about. And the federal government should definitely NOT fund incentives for teachers to be armed. SHEEESH!

Armed security guards are fine if the school district wants to invest in it. That’s their training and their job.

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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #60 on: February 23, 2018, 02:50:41 AM »

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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #61 on: February 23, 2018, 04:07:01 AM »
The problem is the US schooling system, it does not teach respect and discipline.

When I was at school there was no bullying, because we were taught to respect each other, our teachers and our school. Also, with uniforms in school, rich or poor, we are all equal, you don't know who's rich or poor at least.

Whenever I watch US movies or series about their schools, it looks like a nightmare.

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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #62 on: February 23, 2018, 04:25:19 AM »
Where is the logic? Are you kidding? We’re taking about protecting kids in a school (let’s use mine for example) of almost 3000 kids. Certain chosen and willing staff members with conceal/ Carry, on campus police? Do you even realize how easy it to get into a school the size of what, a few hundred acres? As opposed to an area like a courtroom of maybe 3-4000 sqft? With X-ray and detectors? Get real.

What are you talking about?  Lol. Many government buildings are bigger than schools and supplied with armed guards. Airports too. I am not talking about the courtroom itself-the WHOLE building is chocked full of armed guards. Not to mention there are many schools with metal detectors. Walk around any federal building in NYC and see how many people are strapped.

The fact is, its simply common sense. Put armed guards at each entrance and you will see a lot less school shootings. You can also add in metal detectors, like some schools already have.

It's s horrible idea to strap teachers. No common sense.  Please, son.
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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #63 on: February 23, 2018, 04:30:46 AM »
Common sense

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/hundreds-of-teachers-sign-up-for-free-gun-training-in-ohio

99.999999999999% of teachers would crap their pant before taking down an assailant.

Use common sense, son.
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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #64 on: February 23, 2018, 06:02:26 AM »
The problem is the US schooling system, it does not teach respect and discipline.

When I was at school there was no bullying, because we were taught to respect each other, our teachers and our school. Also, with uniforms in school, rich or poor, we are all equal, you don't know who's rich or poor at least.

Whenever I watch US movies or series about their schools, it looks like a nightmare.


And the US parenting system!

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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #65 on: February 23, 2018, 07:23:59 AM »
99.999999999999% of teachers would crap their pant before taking down an assailant.

Use common sense, son.

Depends on the teacher. You just don’t give that responsibility to anyone.

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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #66 on: February 23, 2018, 07:39:24 AM »

Schools: NO armed guards. Arm the teachers.

Where is the logic in this? lol lol
Don't think he is saying that. Correct me if I am wrong but believe Coach is saying on top of the other security measures.

There are armed teachers in some states (Utah, etc.).

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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #67 on: February 23, 2018, 03:03:24 PM »
An interesting detail of the repeated failures of authorities to act on explicit warnings about this kid.


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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #68 on: February 23, 2018, 03:05:17 PM »
"No one on the prohibited persons list should ever have access to a firearm. No killer. No felon. No drug dealer. And anyone adjudicated as mentally incompetent or dangerous to society should be prevented from getting a gun," Mr LaPierre said.

and he talks about 'socialists limiting freedoms'...Holy fahck!

So you think felons,drug dealers and mentally ill should be allowed guns?

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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #69 on: February 24, 2018, 03:58:39 AM »
Don't think he is saying that. Correct me if I am wrong but believe Coach is saying on top of the other security measures.

There are armed teachers in some states (Utah, etc.).

So why don't we arm people in other occupations, but instead, just put armed guards?

Why aren't the lawyers or judges strapped in a court house?

We don't put the burden of responsibility on a judge to carry. Why put that burden on a teacher?

It's odd that in no other occupation (except the obvious ones) do we expect someone to carry except teachers.
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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #70 on: February 24, 2018, 04:05:18 AM »
And the US parenting system!

Perhaps, but their whole schooling system looks like a free-for-all and way too laid back and informal.

No respect, no discipline, no strictness, no uniforms etc.

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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #71 on: February 24, 2018, 06:09:19 AM »
So why don't we arm people in other occupations, but instead, just put armed guards?

Why aren't the lawyers or judges strapped in a court house?

We don't put the burden of responsibility on a judge to carry. Why put that burden on a teacher?

It's odd that in no other occupation (except the obvious ones) do we expect someone to carry except teachers.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/ohio/articles/2017-08-27/we-carry-guns-armed-judges-in-spotlight-after-ohio-attack
Could have swore judges could carry as there is a specific gun called "The Judge" named after that but had to look it up to make sure.

I still think there is a misunderstanding of the stance. I do not think it should be an expectation but do believe (if some choose) they should be allowed to carry if trained, etc. The expectation should be the security guards/other things that you mentioned. Teachers would be more "icing on the cake".

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Re: Wayne LaPierre warned of a "socialist wave" in America
« Reply #72 on: February 24, 2018, 07:23:51 AM »
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/ohio/articles/2017-08-27/we-carry-guns-armed-judges-in-spotlight-after-ohio-attack
Could have swore judges could carry as their is a specific gun called "The Judge" named after that but had to look it up to make sure.

I still think there is a misunderstanding of the stance. I do not think it should be an expectation but do believe (if some choose) they should be allowed to carry if trained, etc. The expectation should be the security guards/other things that you mentioned. Teachers would be more "icing on the cake".


I stand corrected regarding the judge statement.

However, there are less shooting in many federal buildings because you have MULTIPLE armed guards surrounding or inside the building, making it less likely that a judge will need to carry a gun (even if they wanted to).

If you do the same with schools, there is less of a chance that a teacher will even need to carry one (even if they wanted to). I just don't trust the average teacher, even trained, to start opening fire with hundreds of students around. I am not too sure I agree with teachers carrying around guns just for the "icing on the cake"--it may or may not pose too much risk.

But I HIGHLY disagree with many of the hardcore liberals who want no guns in schools at all. Absolutely ridiculous.
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