Total Deaths Caused by the Top 20 Mass Shootings in US History.

[Matt]

TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE DEAD IN THE TOP 20 MASS SHOOTINGS IN AMERICAN HISTORY BETWEEN 1949 TO 2018:

453

Oh, and 20 of those deaths were the perpetrators of those shootings.

So 433 innocent people died in the Top 20 mass shootings - which is actually spread over 23 shootings in the past 68 years, since there are four mass shootings tied for 20th place, which comprised a staggering 10 deaths over those four mass shootings.  So even a lowly 10 deaths gets you in the top 20 for deadliest mass shootings in American history.

Oh, and this happened over the past 68 year period in the USA.

Interesting number - that averages 6.66 deaths per year over the past 68 years.    This may be meaningful for any religious people or Christian Getbiggers reading.

Gee, so under 7 deaths per year in a population which was 149.2 million in 1949 at the time of the first mass shooting among the Top 20, and currently sits at 323.1 million.

I'm getting scared.  

Compare that to the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, which ramped political murders up from about one weekly under Tsar Nicholas II to 1,000 DAILY under the communist regime of the USSR under Stalin.

Here is the Wikipedia page where I got the information from.  For those in denial, who will come back and say "Wikipedia sources don't count", go to the primary sources that Wikipedia links to.  They will give you the same information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States#Deadliest_shootings

Can gun haters please learn math?    As a person with a 4-year university mathematics degree, it would mean a lot to me for the gun haters to learn, what, say, a fifth grader's level of mathematics knowledge?  Thanks.

[Matt]

I'm getting so scared. 

Oh look, leftists/liberals suddenly learn logic:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38297345

[che]

TOTAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE DEAD IN THE TOP 20 MASS SHOOTINGS IN AMERICAN HISTORY BETWEEN 1949 TO 2018:

453

Oh, and 20 of those deaths were the perpetrators of those shootings.

So 433 innocent people died in the Top 20 mass shootings - which is actually spread over 23 shootings in the past 68 years, since there are four mass shootings tied for 20th place, which comprised a staggering 10 deaths over those four mass shootings.  So even a lowly 10 deaths gets you in the top 20 for deadliest mass shootings in American history.

Oh, and this happened over the past 68 year period in the USA.

Interesting number - that averages 6.66 deaths per year over the past 68 years.    This may be meaningful for any religious people or Christian Getbiggers reading.

Gee, so under 7 deaths per year in a population which was 149.2 million in 1949 at the time of the first mass shooting among the Top 20, and is currently now 323.1 million.

I'm getting scared.  

Compare that to the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, which ramped political murders up from about one weekly under Tsar Nicholas to 1,000 DAILY under the communist regime of the USSR under Stalin.

Here is the Wikipedia page where I got the information from.  For those in denial, who will come back and say "Wikipedia sources don't count", go to the primary sources that Wikipedia links to.  They will give you the same information.

Can gun haters please learn math?    As a person with a 4-year university mathematics degree, it would mean a lot to me for the gun haters to learn, what, say, a fifth grader's level of mathematics?  Thanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States#Deadliest_shootings

259 died  in the last 5 years ,dumb fuck , plus 100's injured

[visualizeperfection]

[Pray_4_War]

Millions of aborted children?  Irrelevant.  That's just a simple women's issue.  Keep your laws off their body.

400 or so kids killed at school by other crazy kids?  Catastrophe, our Constitutional right is now null and void.

Some kid's lives are very important, others are not.

Also, it's ok for parents to kill their children, but it's not ok for other kids to kill them.

[Agnostic007]

"Hillary Clinton campaigned for tougher background checks and a ban on those on terror watch lists gaining access to firearms

This was seen by the National Rifle Association, which reportedly spent more than $26m on pro-Donald Trump's TV ads, as an attack on the Second Amendment of the US constitution which declares "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

Why would tougher background checks and a ban on those on the terror watch list infringe?

[BBSSchlemiel]

Great post!

It will also be useful for people to learn HOW millions of innocent Europeans and Asians were murdered: starved, tortured to death, heads bashed in, throats slit, overworked and starved to death in gulags.

And people should get this: those flaming libs who want ultimate gun control are from the same cloth as the evil Bolshevik scum of the past, who love to see innocent and better people being hurt!

And let's not forget the pro-gun conservatives who portray Hitler as the ultimate gun controller when in fact the National Socialists PROMOTED responsible gun ownership and self defense and at the end of the war the Allies were astonished by the amount of guns and fencing swords the average German citizens owned!

[BB]

a ban on those on the terror watch list infringe?

When did they get convicted of anything? And also what perimeters where used to add them to it?

[titusisback]

Millions of aborted children?  Irrelevant.

Embryo = child?

http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/18/no-saving-child-instead-embryos-burning-building-not-negate-pro-life-position/

This is where the "embryo is a child" retards really choke and generally dance around the question

[Pray_4_War]

"Hillary Clinton campaigned for tougher background checks and a ban on those on terror watch lists gaining access to firearms

This was seen by the National Rifle Association, which reportedly spent more than $26m on pro-Donald Trump's TV ads, as an attack on the Second Amendment of the US constitution which declares "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

Why would tougher background checks and a ban on those on the terror watch list infringe?

Because the terror watch list (or it might have been the no fly list) had no due process.  You get on it the list with no due process and then it's up to you to convince the court to take you off the list.

You can't restrict constitutional rights with no due process.

[BB]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_Screening_Database -

Judging from the places it pulls from. A lot of the watch list are screen out already, via normal firearms law like the NICS checks and 4473 forms.

[Agnostic007]

Because the terror watch list (or it might have been the no fly list) had no due process.  You get on it the list with no due process and then it's up to you to convince the court to take you off the list.

You can't restrict constitutional rights with no due process.

Interesting viewpoint. So the FBI determining someone might be a terror threat and cant board a plane should not preclude them from buying an AR15 with bumpstock. Unless an arrest and trial occurs, no matter the bizzare behavior, in your opinion, they should still have access to buying weapons? I get that the no fly list had errors on it and shouldn't be the end all be all of the decision but don't you think it should certainly weigh in?

[Pray_4_War]

Interesting viewpoint. So the FBI determining someone might be a terror threat and cant board a plane should not preclude them from buying an AR15 with bumpstock. Unless an arrest and trial occurs, no matter the bizzare behavior, in your opinion, they should still have access to buying weapons? I get that the no fly list had errors on it and shouldn't be the end all be all of the decision but don't you think it should certainly weigh in?

No, not at all.  

A US citizen can not have his constitutional rights taken away without due process.  It's right in there if you read it.

[Agnostic007]

No, not at all.  

A US citizen can not have his constitutional rights taken away without due process.  It's right in there if you read it.

If you were the the one making the call.. 2 days before Cruz shot up the school and killed 17, if you knew there were 30+ calls to his house, he had posted some disturbing things on FB and people were concerned he would be a school shooter, he allegedly referred to himself as a professional school shooter, was expelled from school, and he wanted to buy an AR-15 with all we now know about him, would you let them sell to him? He had no criminal record, no conviction and no due process. Or would you just say "It's his right" and let the chips fall where they may?

[BB]

Interesting viewpoint. So the FBI determining someone might be a terror threat and cant board a plane should not preclude them from buying an AR15 with bumpstock. Unless an arrest and trial occurs, no matter the bizzare behavior, in your opinion, they should still have access to buying weapons? I get that the no fly list had errors on it and shouldn't be the end all be all of the decision but don't you think it should certainly weigh in?

Again, what perimeters are being used? Should the Black Panthers be denied? Should Klan members? Should anyone that doesn't agree with politically correct thought, even though they are completely non-violent?

If you look at the the various places used to compile it, most threats are screened out already via normal gun laws that everyone must pass -

1) Foreigners get denied guns because they are foreigners under current gun laws.

2) Any felons are automatically denied. Most States also deny people accused domestic violence now too, no conviction needed.

3) Anyone who under serious mental (hospitalised) care willed be denied.

That isn't bullshit, look at ATF Form 4473 and at NICS checks, they screen for all of that.

[Pray_4_War]

If you were the the one making the call.. 2 days before Cruz shot up the school and killed 17, if you knew there were 30+ calls to his house, he had posted some disturbing things on FB and people were concerned he would be a school shooter, he allegedly referred to himself as a professional school shooter, was expelled from school, and he wanted to buy an AR-15 with all we now know about him, would you let them sell to him? He had no criminal record, no conviction and no due process. Or would you just say "It's his right" and let the chips fall where they may?

I don't understand your question.  In this hypothetical situation am I in the government or do I own a gun store?

Also, am I to infer that you are ok with depriving a US citizen of their constitution rights without due process?  Should we amend the Constitution then?

[BB]

If you were the the one making the call.. 2 days before Cruz shot up the school and killed 17, if you knew there were 30+ calls to his house, he had posted some disturbing things on FB and people were concerned he would be a school shooter, he allegedly referred to himself as a professional school shooter, was expelled from school, and he wanted to buy an AR-15 with all we now know about him, would you let them sell to him? He had no criminal record, no conviction and no due process. Or would you just say "It's his right" and let the chips fall where they may?

Why weren't your Brothers in Blue doing anything? They were the ones there 30+ times. They could've did something if they really wanted to -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Mental_Health_Act .

[Coach is Back!]

259 died  in the last 5 years ,dumb fuck , plus 100's injured

Fuck off. Obama gave an average of $500mil per year of tax payers money to Planned Parent Hood. Asshole

https://www.heritage.org/health-care-reform/report/disentangling-the-data-planned-parenthood-affiliates-abortion-services

[Agnostic007]

I don't understand your question.  In this hypothetical situation am I in the government or do I own a gun store?

Also, am I to infer that you are ok with depriving a US citizen of their constitution rights without due process?  Should we amend the Constitution then?

Lets see. We're talking about the no fly list to keep suspected terrorists off planes being connected with gun sales to a person on the list. For me, public safety is pretty important and I certainly wouldn't want a suspected terrorist buying an AR until questions get answered and the person is cleared. It's a small inconvenience for what it can detour in my opinion. I think if someone displays aggressive, violent tendencies, has referred to themselves as "A professional school shooter" been expelled from school, had numerous interactions with the law, seeing a therapist about these issues yet still shows signs of erratic behavior, I absolutley have no problem holding up that sale until he can be shown to not be the danger he has been projecting himself to be. It's common sense to me

[Pray_4_War]

Lets see. We're talking about the no fly list to keep suspected terrorists off planes being connected with gun sales to a person on the list. For me, public safety is pretty important and I certainly wouldn't want a suspected terrorist buying an AR until questions get answered and the person is cleared. It's a small inconvenience for what it can detour in my opinion. I think if someone displays aggressive, violent tendencies, has referred to themselves as "A professional school shooter" been expelled from school, had numerous interactions with the law, seeing a therapist about these issues yet still shows signs of erratic behavior, I absolutley have no problem holding up that sale until he can be shown to not be the danger he has been projecting himself to be. It's common sense to me

OK, so yes.  You believe in denying Constitutional rights without due process.  That isn't a small inconvenience. 

What other Constitution rights is it ok to take away from people?

[calfzilla]

Matt can you do some research and find out how many lives were safely defended by guns in the United States over the same period?

[visualizeperfection]

Matt can you do some research and find out how many lives were safely defended by guns in the United States over the same period?

6.

[calfzilla]

6.

Damn I was hoping for at least 10.

[Al Doggity]

Can gun haters please learn math?    As a person with a 4-year university mathematics degree, it would mean a lot to me for the gun haters to learn, what, say, a fifth grader's level of mathematics knowledge?  Thanks.

This is either some pretty lazy trolling or some pretty lazy reasoning. I don't think a child would even be foolish enough pass off such lazy analysis as thoughtful, much less someone with a "4 year university mathematics degree."

First, using only this chart as reference,  just a quick glance  shows that the vast majority of those shootings have happened in the last decade. Secondly, that chart shows that the shootings are trending deadlier as time progresses. Along with deadlier incidents, we see that as time progresses shootings become more common. 2009, 2012, 2015 and 2017 all have multiple entries on a list with only 20 spots. Thirdly, and most importantly, why are you using a sample that encompasses 70 years and 20 events and conflating it with the total number of shootings/deaths/injuries? No matter how many words you cram into your post or how many "mathematics degrees"  you have, that screenshot does  not equal 7 deaths a year.

[calfzilla]

This is either some pretty lazy trolling or some pretty lazy reasoning. I don't think a child would even be foolish enough pass off such lazy analysis as thoughtful, much less someone with a "4 year university mathematics degree."

First, using only this chart as reference,  just a quick glance  shows that the vast majority of those shootings have happened in the last decade. Secondly, that chart shows that the shootings are trending deadlier as time progresses. Along with deadlier incidents, we see that as time progresses shootings become more common. 2009, 2012, 2015 and 2017 all have multiple entries on a list with only 20 spots. Thirdly, and most importantly, why are you using a sample that encompasses 70 years and 20 events and conflating it with the total number of shootings/deaths/injuries? No matter how many words you cram into your post or how many "mathematics degrees"  you have, that screenshot does  not equal 7 deaths a year.

I think Matt was quite generous as he didn't remove the numerous false flags on that list