theres no arguing your way out when u contemplate that god "created" this "life"

[Marty Champions]

(created and life) are human terminology... the true meanings of those words are undoubtably far removed because man labled it

think of all the chemicals , food ect that can effect us in all ways , everything seems to have a documentable unique reaction

iif its not gods fault ,then its all a "computer program" would be just as strong of an argument to explain all these things falling into place.

[Deacon Jeschin]

Sit tight. A cure for Autism is right around the corner.

[Marty Champions]

Sit tight. A cure for Autism is right around the corner.

concentrate on my post wimp!

[Desolate]

(created and life) are human terminology... the true meanings of those words are undoubtably far removed because man labled it

think of all the chemicals , food ect that can effect us in all ways , everything seems to have a documentable unique reaction

iif its not gods fault ,then its all a "computer program" would be just as strong of an argument to explain all these things falling into place.

In speaking with people who are religious, they seem to universally believe that God created the universe but lets it run, leaves it alone and doesn't interfere.

Where did all of this come from is a reasonable question.

But where then did God come from would also be a legitimate question.

[Marty Champions]

In speaking with people who are religious, they seem to universally believe that God created the universe but lets it run, leaves it alone and doesn't interfere.

Where did all of this come from is a reasonable question.

But where then did God come from would also be a legitimate question.

it may be a god that doesnt use our social logic

if u remove human designed social constructs which lead us down wrong paths understanding what and where god is was, youre left with atoms n chemicals all of wich are on emf spectrum...going with an atom or chemical logic , you have a chance of knowing

[Desolate]

But it is impossible to not think as a human thinks... for obvious reasons.

[Marty Champions]

But it is impossible to not think as a human thinks... for obvious reasons.

yes think like a human ofcourse but u gotta observe things without language and more visually, you are limited by perspective. the more perspectives u take the more doors that open...also just take many narrow perspectives let them build on each other in a quest to get the bigger picture.. ye who has faith in least has in most

study life by your own terms.

[sceagacros]

Any attempt to anthropomorphize "God" simply prove that the one making the attempt is mentally unsuited to discuss objective reality, it takes real fortitude to stare existence in the face and accept it for what it is and isn't. The Universe is likely a self solving mathematical equation that periodically destroys and creates itself, big bang after big bang, eon after eon, ad infinitum.

We "exist" at this moment in time as an ocean wave "exists" for a moment before being reabsorbed by it's matrix ,  never to be reassembled in that particular alignment of particles and energies again. We are also about as separate from the Universe (or "The All") as a wave is from the ocean, yet we spend most of our time and energy attempting to deny this (Ego anyone?).

Hundreds of thousands of years ago our hominid ancestors likely mistook the inner dialogue of a bi-cameral brain for an exterior "voice", and by the time we get to the iron age - schizophrenia had become a legitimate human condition as evidenced by Abraham's claims of hearing voices telling him to kill his son.

There is no real point to life beyond what you give it, life will continue to evolve with or without you, and eventually without mankind altogether as our sun burns out, rendering the species extinct. Of course we could always put aside our silly religions , borders, races and hatred of polka and come together finding a way to the stars - but we won't....

Ultimately? the void - for everybody irrespective of intelligence, superstition or "belief"...

Hope this helps.

[Dokey111]

On the more optimistic side, as humans we are privileged to see it, and wonder, and study.  Also of course we have the ability to create.

As my father used to say, "If you have something you want to do, you'd better get to it".

[be back]

mans curse is that we have been given the intelligence of reason and logic to contemplate the existence of a God, but not the wisdom to ever find out the solution to it.

[Mayday]

Well they can rewind everything right back to something like a nanosecond AFTER the big bang.

They can't get to zero though.

The simulation theory doesn't sound half bad. There was nothing....then someone hit 'New Game' and suddenly we were all here.

Quantum mechanics and the whole maths side seems to favour a simulation.

Remove God and replace that with formulas and suddenly you have a game to play that gives you choice instead of 'God's Will'. 

[ratherbebig]

when it come to the big questions i turn to the msg board of getbig for answer.

its very likely that people who push dumbbells and struggle with separating egg yolk and egg white knows best.

[Marty Champions]

mans curse is that we have been given the intelligence of reason and logic to contemplate the existence of a God, but not the wisdom to ever find out the solution to it.

good post but i have the wisdom

[Marty Champions]

when it come to the big questions i turn to the msg board of getbig for answer.

its very likely that people who push dumbbells and struggle with separating egg yolk and egg white knows best.

yest most people never decided to seperate an egg white yet a bodybuilder cums the quickest to this idea. he is ahead of the game

[Griffith]

In speaking with people who are religious, they seem to universally believe that God created the universe but lets it run, leaves it alone and doesn't interfere.

Where did all of this come from is a reasonable question.

But where then did God come from would also be a legitimate question.

That is a mind-numbing question, how can something exist which was never created but has existed for eternity?

[Tapeworm]

I think the deal is that you can't calculate backward or forward without error because the universe isn't strictly mechanistic in the Newtonian physics sense.  There's chaos and probability which is what quantum mechanics tries to tackle.  The multiverse theory says that the reality we inhabit is constantly diverging from other realities.

I don't know anything about such matters but I thought Coherence was a fun film.

[Dan-O]

That is a mind-numbing question, how can something exist which was never created but has existed for eternity?

Just one of many mind-blowing things to consider.

Like, what if we were coeval with God?  Or at least, the elements of which our souls are made, which our Father organized and gave life to, in much the same way that a baby's body is formed in the womb from the elements of the Earth.  And what if God operates outside of this temporal dimension in which we currently find ourselves?  Scientists tell us in our sphere of existence time and space are inseparable, which is why they call it 'space-time'.  But what if for God, every time (past, present, future) is 'now' and every place is 'here'?  Mind-blowing stuff which we cannot wrap our temporal minds around.

[be back]

there are no such thing as solids

Everything is free flowing atoms and molecules...

[Dan-O]

there are no such thing as solids

Everything is free flowing atoms and molecules...

Yeah but then there's a thing called the "strong nuclear force."  And it's strong enough to hurt your fist if you try punching a hole through your wall or the top of your desk.

[El Diablo Blanco]

you all talk about the Christian God.  God as a concept has been around in many different mutations.

[sceagacros]

You are already very much a "God" if compared to the first hominids , if the species manages another hundred thousand years without extinction - a human born in 120,000 AD will seem very much like a "God" compared to us.

One might find a brief study of Gottfried Leibniz's "The Monadology" enlightening if one is able to put away childish superstitions and consider existence from a rational perspective. Also, If one is able to grasp the "divinity" implicit in Euler's formula - one begins to understand that Zero is far from nothing, it is  EVERYTHING , unpotentiated infinity in fact. If one were to connect the dots between the two (as many in Ontological Maths and Physics are currently doing in such brilliant fashion), one just might get a glimpse into how far off the concept of a "God" as imagined by mankind likely is.

[Taffin]

it may be a god that doesnt use our social logic

if u remove human designed social constructs which lead us down wrong paths understanding what and where god is was, youre left with atoms n chemicals all of wich are on emf spectrum...going with an atom or chemical logic , you have a chance of knowing

Tried 'chemical logic' for years.  A helluva lot of fun, but no shattering insights unfortunately... 

[Taffin]

Any attempt to anthropomorphize "God" simply prove that the one making the attempt is mentally unsuited to discuss objective reality, it takes real fortitude to stare existence in the face and accept it for what it is and isn't. The Universe is likely a self solving mathematical equation that periodically destroys and creates itself, big bang after big bang, eon after eon, ad infinitum.

We "exist" at this moment in time as an ocean wave "exists" for a moment before being reabsorbed by it's matrix ,  never to be reassembled in that particular alignment of particles and energies again. We are also about as separate from the Universe (or "The All") as a wave is from the ocean, yet we spend most of our time and energy attempting to deny this (Ego anyone?).

Hundreds of thousands of years ago our hominid ancestors likely mistook the inner dialogue of a bi-cameral brain for an exterior "voice", and by the time we get to the iron age - schizophrenia had become a legitimate human condition as evidenced by Abraham's claims of hearing voices telling him to kill his son.

There is no real point to life beyond what you give it, life will continue to evolve with or without you, and eventually without mankind altogether as our sun burns out, rendering the species extinct. Of course we could always put aside our silly religions , borders, races and hatred of polka and come together finding a way to the stars - but we won't....

Ultimately? the void - for everybody irrespective of intelligence, superstition or "belief"...

Hope this helps.

Good stuff (especially your point about polka).  But I have to tell you that quite involuntarily I found myself reading the first part in the voice of The Architect from The Matrix, and the second part in the voice of Bill Hicks...  go figure...  

[Zillotch]

god is super real, all of reality demonstrates a creator, evolution is nonsense and jesus is your only way to avoid hell. hell is unpleasant.

[TheGrinch]

hell is unpleasant.

Hell = Imagine the worst panic attack claustrophobic feeling, combined with feeling every single hurt you caused someone else, completely isolated and alone and that feeling ...it lasts for eternity.

That is hell