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sceagacros
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« on: March 06, 2018, 04:32:26 AM »

Ryan Kennelly :
"Let me make a point, the amount that I was taking in 2003 consisted of at that time, going for 900 pounds, I was taking twenty five hundred milligrams of testosterone a week, eight hundred milligrams of nandrolone deconate a week, 75 milligrams of dbol a day and there was also fast-acting testosterones that I was taking upwards of a hundred milligrams of those a day.

The long-acting testosterone from my calculations the plasma half-life is about 14 days they kick in in about seven days but seven days wasted I need some that’s kicking in now. I would take testosterone propionate or testosterone no ester that I would make up myself in oil with sterile alcohol, sterile needles, sterile syringe filters. I would make bottles of it because I was going through upwards (bottle holds pan 10-13 milliliters of liquid) through roughly 10 bottles every 10 days at the time.

At that point it didn’t seem like a lot because if you know anything about injecting and how steroids work in the body, there are things your body called receptors. They are like flowers and after a while your flower start to will, meaning the amount you’re taking to 1500 milligrams and you’re not getting the desired effect. This is because your body is not accepting it so in return you take more. Or you take more of a different ester like testosterone cypionate is one ester.  You take twenty five hundred milligrams. Once your body gets used to that, you change to testosterone enanthate, which can attach it to a different receptor.

By juggling these things at the time you learn that you can only inject so much. Your body can only handle so much injected into itself. Then you start consuming these oral powders and using insulin as a transport drug. What insulin does is it unlocks the cells in your muscle and it is very dangerous taking insulin. People could die and it’s something you go to your local Walmart and buy a bottle of humulin-r insulin for twenty-five dollars. Basically what insulin does is it shuttle’s all what you consume in your body into your muscle.

So basically I was taking the steroid powders, taking a tablespoon of certain ones adding it with orange flavored tang and I would drink these throughout the course the day. I would inject this medium acting insulin that in my mind, according to other athletes I spoke with at the Arnold classic and other athletes from overseas, this a technique that they are using now. They claimed increased water retention increased size and increase strength.

So on top of injecting 3- 4,000 milligrams a week I was also consuming orally as time went on. This upset my stomach, made me pale, and made me puke. That didn’t last very long because you cannot lift and gain weight when your pale sick and puking. In my mind that’s not going to be what benefits you in the long run.”

Ignoring the fact that Ryan was wrong about some of his steroid knowledge, he confesses to taking the following amounts of steroids for his 900 lb run:
•2,500 mgs testosterone enanthate per week
•800 mgs of deca durabolin per week
•75 mgs of dianabol per day (525 mgs/wk)
•100 mgs of testosterone propionate per day (700 mgs/wk)
•4,525 mgs of anabolic steroids per week

When Ryan wanted to get to a 1,000 lb bench press, he knew he needed even more steroids. He didn’t mention that he needed another two years of solid training, where he’d periodize his training and implement strategic assistance lifts at various time points. It was all about the steroids. He knew that this amount would take him to this level, and to get to the next level, he’d need to take this amount. At any rate, let’s compare the milligrams of androgens for a natural lifter and world class bench presser:

Natural Lifter: 7 mgs testosterone/day
Ryan Kennelly: 646 mgs androgens/day

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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2018, 04:49:48 AM »

wasnt wrong about some but about everything
u as the op should right all the wrong info
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2018, 05:02:51 AM »

No disrespect but why? I think the average Getbigger has had enough exposure to solid drug knowledge that they know the errors. Seems a waste of one finger typing energy....
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2018, 07:49:54 AM »

because u posted ignoring the fact he was wrong about some of the knowledge, which implies you think he is wrong, which implies you know what is wrong, however ev
No disrespect but why? I think the average Getbigger has had enough exposure to solid drug knowledge that they know the errors. Seems a waste of one finger typing energy....
myerything is wrong, therefore precise what exactly is wrong and perhaps maybe one of us lesser experienced aas gurus will be enlightened. or u might be enlightened just the same after youve been corrected, suggesting u really werent in the know at all and merely pretended to be, adding to the fact that addressing these faults really takes up no time at all, even less so than marking this thread in the first place.  rather ask why not. theres no challenge here
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2018, 01:54:47 PM »

Sounds like a challenge to me, so let's give it a go, shall we?

Firstly,  long esters would almost always refer to enanthate or cypionate  , with half lives of 10 and 8 days respectively.
His statement that it takes 7 days for these long esters to kick in is also, erroneous - the truth is , it starts working the second you inject it but it will take 2-3 weeks to reach peak blood hormone levels.
Moving on......

It's interesting that he would mention such details as using benzyl alcohol in his homebrews but leave out mention of any benzyl- benzoate, this seems to indicate he was trying to stress the "sterility" of his oils (fairly obvious in context) and left off listing it, as you really don’t “have” to have bb in oils but it helps thin out the mixture and allows you to use less ba, making the shot painless. It's almost inconceivable that he wouldn't have at some point been counseled to add some bb to his brews, in light of the circles he moves in.

Can we skip the receptor nonsense? Only morons still subscribe to the belief that androgen receptors down regulate (although not long ago we all thought this) and of course the idea that different esters will attach to different receptors is also an outdated, debunked premise (let's remember that Ryan was also smoking most of the weed on the west coast during his heyday LOL).

His take on insulin is typical for the time he's referencing - all the top powerlifters were using GH and insulin by then , but few REALLY understood it's mechanisms in a way as to be able to describe it accurately, they just knew it worked.

Things are different now and even gym rats understand GH and insulin a million times better than just a decade ago. Obviously water retention although present, has nothing to do with it, although if we simply substitute "glycogen" for "water", his statement makes more sense LOL!
His statement: "Basically what insulin does is it shuttle’s all what you consume in your body into your muscle." although simplistic, isn't exactly wrong per se. There's a lot more to it - insulin transports certain amino acids directly into the muscle cells. increases activity of glycogen synthase, inhibits catabolism of protein, increases fatty acid synthesis in the liver, and very importantly, it will not convert glucose to fat if it can first store it as muscle glycogen.

Ryan mentions mixing powders in tang for oral administration, while this would be feasible with winny, Dbol and several less likely steroids, we know from other statements that Ryan is alluding to testosterone which of course is woefully misguided at best.


I think I've pretty well covered everything, shouldn't be anything everyone didn't already know.



An interesting aside, although most laypersons consider Westside the cradle of modern powerlifting drug knowledge, it was actually Scott Mendelson who was responsible for pioneering GH/insulin use to it's current levels in powerlifting......

If you'll indulge me one more slight tangent.........



I was always more impressed with Ryan's girlfriend at the time, Kara. Out of all the roided out, elite powerlifting chicks  , she wore it best.
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2018, 09:18:32 PM »

The 75mg D-bol and a reasonable healthy diet should have been enough, and at most adding some test but not much more!
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2018, 01:25:14 AM »

thanks op, should be more of u on this board!
thank you for clearing that up
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2018, 06:26:23 AM »

Sounds like a challenge to me, so let's give it a go, shall we?

Firstly,  long esters would almost always refer to enanthate or cypionate  , with half lives of 10 and 8 days respectively.
His statement that it takes 7 days for these long esters to kick in is also, erroneous - the truth is , it starts working the second you inject it but it will take 2-3 weeks to reach peak blood hormone levels.
Moving on......

It's interesting that he would mention such details as using benzyl alcohol in his homebrews but leave out mention of any benzyl- benzoate, this seems to indicate he was trying to stress the "sterility" of his oils (fairly obvious in context) and left off listing it, as you really don’t “have” to have bb in oils but it helps thin out the mixture and allows you to use less ba, making the shot painless. It's almost inconceivable that he wouldn't have at some point been counseled to add some bb to his brews, in light of the circles he moves in.

Can we skip the receptor nonsense? Only morons still subscribe to the belief that androgen receptors down regulate (although not long ago we all thought this) and of course the idea that different esters will attach to different receptors is also an outdated, debunked premise (let's remember that Ryan was also smoking most of the weed on the west coast during his heyday LOL).

His take on insulin is typical for the time he's referencing - all the top powerlifters were using GH and insulin by then , but few REALLY understood it's mechanisms in a way as to be able to describe it accurately, they just knew it worked.

Things are different now and even gym rats understand GH and insulin a million times better than just a decade ago. Obviously water retention although present, has nothing to do with it, although if we simply substitute "glycogen" for "water", his statement makes more sense LOL!
His statement: "Basically what insulin does is it shuttle’s all what you consume in your body into your muscle." although simplistic, isn't exactly wrong per se. There's a lot more to it - insulin transports certain amino acids directly into the muscle cells. increases activity of glycogen synthase, inhibits catabolism of protein, increases fatty acid synthesis in the liver, and very importantly, it will not convert glucose to fat if it can first store it as muscle glycogen.

Ryan mentions mixing powders in tang for oral administration, while this would be feasible with winny, Dbol and several less likely steroids, we know from other statements that Ryan is alluding to testosterone which of course is woefully misguided at best.


I think I've pretty well covered everything, shouldn't be anything everyone didn't already know.



An interesting aside, although most laypersons consider Westside the cradle of modern powerlifting drug knowledge, it was actually Scott Mendelson who was responsible for pioneering GH/insulin use to it's current levels in powerlifting......

If you'll indulge me one more slight tangent.........



I was always more impressed with Ryan's girlfriend at the time, Kara. Out of all the roided out, elite powerlifting chicks  , she wore it best.

Just a couple of minor points. The half-life of T Enan can be as low as 2 days. You're right, all steroids start working immediately.

Regarding insulin, and not many bodybuilders understand this; the main action of insulin is stopping glucose production in the liver, not "opening the cells". That's the main reason insulin dependent diabetics get hyperglycemia, out of control liver glucose production.
Studies show they actually uptake glucose without any insulin.
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2018, 06:39:00 AM »

^ Interesting, thank you.
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2018, 06:51:17 AM »

i'm natty because it's healthier
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2018, 07:20:15 AM »

it is myunderstanding the inhibiting effects of insulin go hand in hand with its  promoting effects, along with its  directly and indirectly accompanying brotherhood of hormones and vast array of metabolic occurences

its the same for every other metabolic activity and the basis for homeostasis
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2018, 08:33:29 AM »

it is myunderstanding the inhibiting effects of insulin go hand in hand with its  promoting effects, along with its  directly and indirectly accompanying brotherhood of hormones and vast array of metabolic occurences

its the same for every other metabolic activity and the basis for homeostasis



yes - Homeostasis

The tendency towards a relatively stable equilibrium between interdependent elements, especially as maintained by physiological processes.
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