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Re: Anybody have experience with phentermine for weight loss?
« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2018, 02:15:27 PM »
I am exercising with it. My question, does the weight loss only come from lack of eating or is there some thermogenic affect? I am more sweaty than usual but with no energy boost. I actually feel a bit burnt out because of lack of sleep/not sleeping well but it's not like I am energized. It's really weird. My dose is 37.5mg daily.

I am not sure about it's thermogenic effect, all I know is when I was on it I saw veins muscles I never seen before, I lost weight fast, took the fastin brand name in morning on empty stomach could sleep with nyquil or rx sleeping pill.  Not sure what dose I took guessing two pills in am.  

It never made me energized, I think it's a psycho stimulant.  Suppose to help break down stored fat as well like those hard to lose fat storage whereever that is depends on the person.

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Re: Anybody have experience with phentermine for weight loss?
« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2018, 03:02:18 PM »
Just because I had it handy, Duchaine's thoughts on Phentermine -


THE PHENTERMINES

Fastin and Ionamin are both phentermines. Fastin (phenterminehydrochloride) is a 30 mg capsule that has a duration of 10 to 12 hours. Ionamin (phentermine resin) supposedly lasts longer and has a milder effect.

I mention the phentermines for a number of reasons. Ionamin (regular is 15 mg; "forte" is 30 mg) is the anorectic of choice for European bodybuilders. Fastin, for some reason, is the number one choice for American bodybuilders. As anorectics go, they both have an acceptable balance of effectiveness and side effects.

The phentermines have recently been mentioned in the mainstream press, as noted obesity specialists are now vigorously (and this is unusual) advocating a long-term therapy of one of the phentermines during the day and Pondimin during the evening hours. Obese patients have had significant fat loss with this combination when all other traditional methods have failed.

The mechanism behind anorectics' action is still somewhat unexplained. Users of these drugs lose more weight than would be predicted from a simple absence of calories. Some of it is excess heat production caused by adrenergic stimulation. However, there is a further mystery calorie debit that is not accounted for. Some postulate that the missing calories are due to increased glucose uptake in the brain. I don't advocate any anorectics besides Pondimin. However, some athletes diet for a living, and hundreds of thousands of dollars can depend on as little as 5 pounds of extra body fat.

The diet battle takes place at the refrigerator and pantry door. As the nutritionist-coach is out of sight most of the time, anorectics are necessary tools. Are these winners "fuck-ups"? History and the engraved trophy will never tell.

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Re: Anybody have experience with phentermine for weight loss?
« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2018, 03:21:59 PM »
Fastin -

Fastin is an appetite suppressant and central nervous system (CNS) stimulant that also causes mild thermogenesis by stimulating systemic noradrenaline. This drug was very popular with bodybuilders in years past. All versions of Fastin are supposed to be timed-release, but the trade name and the generics seem to have different results. "Real" Fastin works gradually and evenly. All of the generics I tried peaked quickly and didn't last as long. You can feel the effects of Fastin for 8 to 10 hours; the generics only last for 6 hours.
Like all CNS stimulants, Fastin reduces fatigue, which can lead to overtraining. Cessation of use causes mental and physical depression. Recently, scientists have become interested in Fastin as an under-prescribed drug for the obese.

Ionamin -

Ionamin is the other appetite suppressant in the phentermine family. While Fastin has been the diet pill of choice for bodybuilders in America, Ionamin is the anorectic most often used by European athletes. Most athletes prefer the 30 mg size,called "forte" (strong) in Europe. Ionamin is supposed to be milder and work longer than Fastin. However, most athletes familiar with both say that Fastin has a harder and longer "kick" and Ionamin has a gentler and shorter activity. Some people who get too jittery on Fastin can tolerate Ionamin better. Ionamin has the usual side effects and dependency problems of prescription anorectics.

Pondimin -

I usually don't comment positively on diet pills. Even the milder ones mask fatigue too well and lead unwary athletes into overtraining. In addition, athletes who use caffeine, ephedrine and clenbuterol don't need another upper thrown into the mix. However, Pondimin is so different and fills a need so well that I think it's a worthwhile dieting drug. Pondimin is an appetite suppressant that is not a stimulant. In fact, it has a slight depressive effect. Many dieters control appetite during the day with ephedrine and clenbuterol, but you can't use stimulants at night. Pondimin is perfect for night use because it significantly dulls your appetite while allowing you to sleep. Because Pondimin does not cause euphoria, the potential for abuse is quite low. I have tried both tablets and the capsules, and I prefer the capsules.

Pondimin (fenfluramine) is available in America in 20 mg tablets, and in 75 mg capsules and a transdermal patch in Europe. Pondimin is unique because it is not a central nervous system stimulant. All of the other appetite suppressants try to mimic the action of amphetamine.
Daytime appetite is usually not the problem. By keeping busy and using thermogenic drugs like ephedrine and clenbuterol, appetite is reasonably controlled during the day. Because you must time the dosages of thermogenic drugs to wear off by evening (so you can sleep), they can't help you at night.

The elegance of Pondimin is that it is a central nervous system depressant. Pondimin will not keep you awake at night quite the opposite. In addition, research has not shown it to have the dependence hazards of the other anorectics. Most American bodybuilders don't use Pondimin while dieting because they are unfamiliar with its unique properties and American MDs are usually hesitant to prescribe such a drug to an obviously non-overweight person. In Europe, the capsules are extremely popular, used at night after taking thermogenic drugs during the day.

I don't have as many nice things to say about the other anorectics. All of the other prescription anorectics are derivatives
of the "gold standard" of the anorectics, amphetamine, which is a popular street drug. Amphetamine is still an FDA approved
drug, but is quite restricted because it's Schedule II. All of the lesser anorectics try to generate the same appetite suppression
without the extreme side effects of amphetamine.

The problem with these stimulants is that you are so, well, stimulated - euphoric, energetic and without fatigue. People don't use them infrequently as they should, but constantly, until they are physically and mentally exhausted. When you stop using these anorectics, you crash, becoming overwhelmingly tired, lethargic and depressed. You feel like a zombie for at least 2 weeks, and frequently more.
These dramatic side effects are not a mystery, but are certainly hard to control. Even the most educated, savvy and rational athlete will overtrain while on these diet drugs. If you are using them with ephedrine and clenbuterol, the hazards of elevated blood pressure and heart rate are compounded.


That's more or less his chapter on Phenthermine and related stuff.

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Re: Anybody have experience with phentermine for weight loss?
« Reply #53 on: March 15, 2018, 03:34:50 PM »
^^^^^^^^^

Very interesting
Thanks for posting that up

It comes From which of Dan’s books

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Re: Anybody have experience with phentermine for weight loss?
« Reply #54 on: March 15, 2018, 03:38:09 PM »
BodyOpus.


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Re: Anybody have experience with phentermine for weight loss?
« Reply #55 on: March 15, 2018, 03:40:17 PM »
Thanks

He was well ahead of the game & his time.

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Re: Anybody have experience with phentermine for weight loss?
« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2018, 11:38:21 AM »
It’s pretty similar to aderall.

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Re: Anybody have experience with phentermine for weight loss?
« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2018, 11:17:53 AM »
Stopped taking/didn't take it yesterday and had a decent sleep last night. I haven't taken it today either and will probably stop altogether. While it totally killed my appetite and I lost 7 pounds in 10 or so days, the hazy feeling it gave me sucked too bad. I'm not sure if the haze was from lack of sleep or if the medication contributed to it, but it was pretty unbearable. I may cycle it back on for 10 days once off for 10 or something just to get rid of the script but I can't see how anyone can take this shit for any period of time.

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Re: Anybody have experience with phentermine for weight loss?
« Reply #58 on: March 18, 2018, 11:30:04 AM »
I believe it was the fenfluamine that was putting holes in peoples hearts or something,& was taken off market.

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Re: Anybody have experience with phentermine for weight loss?
« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2018, 01:03:34 PM »
Stopped taking/didn't take it yesterday and had a decent sleep last night. I haven't taken it today either and will probably stop altogether. While it totally killed my appetite and I lost 7 pounds in 10 or so days, the hazy feeling it gave me sucked too bad. I'm not sure if the haze was from lack of sleep or if the medication contributed to it, but it was pretty unbearable. I may cycle it back on for 10 days once off for 10 or something just to get rid of the script but I can't see how anyone can take this shit for any period of time.

its hard, sides suck, but the results speak for themselves.

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Re: Anybody have experience with phentermine for weight loss?
« Reply #60 on: March 18, 2018, 01:06:37 PM »
fen phen combo of these two drugs was doing that correct, phentermine by itself is not considered dangerous.

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Re: Anybody have experience with phentermine for weight loss?
« Reply #61 on: March 18, 2018, 03:44:23 PM »
Stopped taking/didn't take it yesterday and had a decent sleep last night. I haven't taken it today either and will probably stop altogether. While it totally killed my appetite and I lost 7 pounds in 10 or so days, the hazy feeling it gave me sucked too bad. I'm not sure if the haze was from lack of sleep or if the medication contributed to it, but it was pretty unbearable. I may cycle it back on for 10 days once off for 10 or something just to get rid of the script but I can't see how anyone can take this shit for any period of time.

I think you'll find you don't need to take it for more than a few days anyway. At least it's been my experience that the first 3 days of reduced caloric intake suck, which is what the pills can help you get through. After 3 days, I usually don't have food cravings anyway and can eat what I need to eat without risk of making bad choices or over eating. If you fall of the wagon for social events or vacations, start the pills again for a few days and repeat.