Author Topic: Ronnie Coleman - 2000 was better than 2003 (Read 10743 times)

Nether Animal · « **on:** March 09, 2018, 10:34:26 AM »

Yes, I said it. Around 265 on stage, holding some water compared to the two years before but an absolute monster. And far less of a gut. Most of that extra weight by 2003 went to his ass, quads and gut.

seCrawler · « **Reply #1 on:** March 09, 2018, 10:36:19 AM »

i'm assuming ronnie grew the gut when he started phucking with chad.

ESFitness · « **Reply #2 on:** March 09, 2018, 11:23:51 AM »

I still vote 03 Ronnie as something that will likely never be topped.. Unless big ramy "dials it in" and doesn't burn out. Remember, it took Ronnie quite a while before he got the mixture right and supposedly never cheated on his diet. I'm sure army has handlers arouns him nearly all day making sure he eats what he's supposed to and takes what he's supposed to. But seems there may be too many cooks in the kitchen. Still, rsmy doesn't have the muscle.mellows and shape that Ronnie had,& I still don't think it'll ever be topped.

Flex at the 99 grand prix is another that likely won't ever be topped. Site injections or not, his muscle bellies held it well and 99 AFTER the Olympia was his best showing ever. Better than the 93 Arnold or Mr o and better than the 98 Arnold(which is supposedly his best EVER yet 20yrs later I've YET to see more than s couple pics with shotty dark blue/purple lighting obscuring everything... AND the 9o Mr o, which at the time, being a Flex fan, thought he should've won, but looking back it was Ronnie show 100%.. It was like the 93 Mr O 'll over again for Flex.

willl · « **Reply #3 on:** March 09, 2018, 11:48:17 AM »

i agree my personal favorite showing of ronnie is also O2000. sure, water etc, but still overly spectacular

ramy will never be similar to ronnie

Nether Animal · « **Reply #4 on:** March 09, 2018, 01:40:38 PM »

Quote from: willl on March 09, 2018, 11:48:17 AM

i agree my personal favorite showing of ronnie is also O2000. sure, water etc, but still overly spectacular

ramy will never be similar to ronnie

Plus his back wasn't as uneven as it was three years later.

On_Swole · « **Reply #5 on:** March 09, 2018, 03:20:51 PM »

I've maintained this all along. 2003 was otherworldly, but 2000 was the ultimate Coleman (particularly for the finals).

Iceman1981 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 09, 2018, 04:53:43 PM »

I prefer 2000 over 2003, but 2003 is untouchable when it comes to total domination.

2000 Mr. Olympia

Nether Animal · « **Reply #7 on:** March 09, 2018, 05:28:18 PM »

2000 GP
Look at the quad

BSN · « **Reply #8 on:** March 13, 2018, 12:56:03 PM »

Matt · « **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2018, 02:15:26 PM »

If you watch "The Unbelievable" DVD, Ronnie was 287-lb there, and was clearly in contest condition. I think Ronnie was so far ahead of his time, that neither he nor Chad realized that he could have come into contest at 287-lb, hence the weight drop. In 2003, they basically realized that Ronnie could easily be over 280 in contest, and decided to actually come in at 287. But Ronnie had that size in 2000. It's not like he gained new muscle in 2003 - it's that he actually decided to not cut the weight coming into the contest. More evidence of this is Ronnie in the 2002 Battle for the Olympia DVD. He was something like 275-lb in that video, and clearly in contest shape. Yet he decided to drop 30-lb and came into contest WAY underweight. Had Cutler competed that year, I believe he would have won, at least if he reproduced the physique that he showed at the 2001 Mr. Olympia contest where he placed 2nd. It's sort of sad that Jay decided to take 2002 off, in light of Ronnie's lackluster [for Ronnie's standards] performance.

In 2004, based on his size at the press conference to his size on the stage, I have one word:

over-diuresis.

ratherbebig · « **Reply #10 on:** March 13, 2018, 02:24:56 PM »

not this shit again...

yes some time they will be better than other times.

how is that even worth debating?

Matt · « **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2018, 02:43:18 PM »

Quote from: ratherbebig on March 13, 2018, 02:24:56 PM

not this shit again...

yes some time they will be better than other times.

how is that even worth debating?

Maybe it's just nostalgia for that era of bodybuilding?

I am happy that after Ronnie's showing at the 2002 Mr. Olympia where he showed up lighter than ever - around 245 to 247-lb - he said to himself "You know what? I'D RATHER BE BIG! Next year, it's 287-lb, baby! I'm going to knock everyone's socks off!"

And he did.

He literally made Jay Cutler look like an amateur...and meanwhile, Dexter Jackson and everyone placing 3rd and lower were nowhere near Jay's size.

So you had Ronnie as the clear winner, WAY ahead of Jay, with Jay being WAY ahead of everyone 3rd place and lower.

When has that ever happened before? When has the Mr. Olympia ever made the second best bodybuilder on the planet look like an amateur?

ratherbebig · « **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2018, 02:47:50 PM »

well youre just guessing anyway

you were not there.

you dont have any clear video.

all you got are a few still shots.

a lot of times the difference between the bodybuilder placing first and second is hard to decide even for the trained eye of a professional judge who watch it live from the first row, and yet on getbig everyone's an expert after watching a couple of still shots...

give me a break.

On_Swole · « **Reply #13 on:** March 13, 2018, 03:04:50 PM »

Quote from: Matt on March 13, 2018, 02:43:18 PM

So you had Ronnie has the clear winner, WAY ahead of Jay, with Jay being WAY ahead of everyone 3rd place and lower.

The part about Ronnie is right, but the part about Jay couldn't be further from the truth. A surging and all-time best Dexter could've (and perhaps should've) placed ahead of Jay. This was confirmed when two or three weeks later Dexter beat an improved Jay at the GNC Show of Strength (though Dexter had improved as well).

Bevo · « **Reply #14 on:** March 13, 2018, 04:55:30 PM »

2018 current Ronnie is the best version

That_Dude · « **Reply #15 on:** March 13, 2018, 07:29:15 PM »

Ronnie is the GOAT bodybuild died when his reign the as Mr O came to an end.

Bevo · « **Reply #16 on:** March 13, 2018, 07:31:03 PM »

Quote from: That_Dude on March 13, 2018, 07:29:15 PM

Ronnie is the GOAT bodybuild died when his reign the as Mr O came to an end.

Arnold forever will be the GOAT

No one outside of bbing even knows who Ronnie is

Ronnie and Dorian ruined bbing, chasing after mass

Lee Haney was a much better bber than both of them

That_Dude · « **Reply #17 on:** March 13, 2018, 07:42:34 PM »

Quote from: Bevo on March 13, 2018, 07:31:03 PM

Arnold forever will be the GOAT

No one outside of bbing even knows who Ronnie is

Ronnie and Dorian ruined bbing, chasing after mass

Lee Haney was a much better bber than both of them

Ronnie in 99 looked better than Arnold at any point in his life (competition wise). Honorable mention to Haney.

Bevo · « **Reply #18 on:** March 13, 2018, 07:46:22 PM »

Quote from: That_Dude on March 13, 2018, 07:42:34 PM

Ronnie in 99 looked better than Arnold at any point in his life (competition wise). Honorable mention to Haney.

That’s cause it’s a different era, different standard of judging, different combos or drugs

Ronnie’s best was 98, 99, and 01 arnold

2003 and 2004 was fun to watch but far from best

Matt · « **Reply #19 on:** March 13, 2018, 10:11:43 PM »

Quote from: ratherbebig on March 13, 2018, 02:47:50 PM

well youre just guessing anyway

you were not there.

you dont have any clear video.

all you got are a few still shots.

a lot of times the difference between the bodybuilder placing first and second is hard to decide even for the trained eye of a professional judge who watch it live from the first row, and yet on getbig everyone's an expert after watching a couple of still shots...

give me a break.

Hmm...to be honest, I do agree that what you have described does indeed happen. I don't think that applies to 2003 though. Ronnie was just...that much better. He was huge. He was 31-lb heavier than Jay, who was 256-lb, and himself a giant. While I do get what you are saying, I still maintain that 2003 was an exception - Ronnie really WAS that much better - of course, only IMO.

Matt · « **Reply #20 on:** March 13, 2018, 11:28:46 PM »

Quote from: On_Swole on March 13, 2018, 03:04:50 PM

The part about Ronnie is right, but the part about Jay couldn't be further from the truth. A surging and all-time best Dexter could've (and perhaps should've) placed ahead of Jay. This was confirmed when two or three weeks later Dexter beat an improved Jay at the GNC Show of Strength (though Dexter had improved as well).

Based on conditioning, I would agree with you - but based on size, you had one massive bodybuilder literally dwarfing another massive bodybuilder, who was dwarfing *most* of the rest of the lineup. There were some exceptions there - Dennis James and Art Atwood for example. But think about how Ronnie - or Jay - looked compared to Darrem Charles or Troy Alves for example. It was a night-and-day size difference.

PS - aren't you from a southern state that asshole Hollywood movies constantly present as being comprised of a bunch of ignorant hicks. Georgia? I have always found your posts to be highly intelligent, going back to your days on Mayhem. Damn Hollywood movies and their ridiculous stereotypes, all in the name of ending stereotypes.

cephissus · « **Reply #21 on:** March 14, 2018, 12:09:57 AM »

Do you have any friends, Matt?

ratherbebig · « **Reply #22 on:** March 14, 2018, 03:23:29 AM »

Quote from: cephissus on March 14, 2018, 12:09:57 AM

Do you have any friends, Matt?

on getbig he does

Matt · « **Reply #23 on:** March 14, 2018, 04:27:33 AM »

Quote from: cephissus on March 14, 2018, 12:09:57 AM

Do you have any friends, Matt?

Yes - and they come to me.

Based on writing long posts, it stands to reason that I have no friends? Why do you think that? Yes, I am chatty. But I articulate myself well, and make full points that are backed up with a lot of evidence.

I have the cash to travel to all the expos, but I would ratherbewithmyfamily. I live the life that I want, and I have five brands of beer at home.
Since I am at home a lot, it is just a chill place to be, and my friends - and women - come to me. I live in a quaint little home, but it's nice and comfortable here. People like it, and again - the beer. I have found one great truth - people LOVE free alcohol.

And I say that seriously - you don't win friends with salad. You DO win friends with alcohol though.

Am I really so nerdy?

I sort of think of myself as a bit of a jock...am I way off base there? But yes, I talk a lot - A LOT. But people do listen.

The Scott · « **Reply #24 on:** March 14, 2018, 04:35:31 AM »

Pffft. Here's to this fucktard going the way of the Dodo in 2018.