I think 200 - 250 mg of test enathate/cypionate is a good minimum it depends on how much you weigh also
My experiences with gear
I like 3 month cycles at very high dosages I gain lot of mass and also retain allot. I'll take between 3-9 months off between the cycles and I keep making steady gains.
My first cycle at 135-140 pds was 1250 mg deca aweek/1300 mg of test cyp or enathate a week/ 50 mg winny a day /60 mg d-bol a day/1- AD when they sold it at stores/ 6-oxo
that was my first cycle ever didnt realize that a CC was like 200-300 mg I thought 1 cc was 100mg so I took a tremendous amount for my weight. Put 60 pounds on in 3 months though, of course i was a twig be4 and my diet changed from like 2000 empty calories to 6000-8000 mass building calories a day with 2-3 hours of training; note that it wasnt 60pds lean mass either it was prob 15-20 pounds water another 15-20 fat, and then 15-20 solid muscle which was still super. I ended at about 200 pounds and dropped to about 185-190 pounds when I got off the stuff so maintained a lot of the mass
I have never done a cycle that big ever again and I have never seen results like that again either. I have done 2 legit mass cycles since and currently on a legit cutting cycle. I put on at best 15-20 pounds when i go on mass cycles now a days and then keep about 5-10 pds. It just costs too much to take that much stuff and i get too eager to start. Now a days its just 750 mg EQ/750 mg enathate and 60 mg a day d-bol with some antiestrogen (arimidex/proviron/nolva) gets err done I guess.
I have messed around with gear tho,taken deca alone and anadrol alone and trenbolone alone... didnt make any gains all I got was super strength while I was on and then lost it when I was off. Have to stack your juices and take at least for 3 months if not longer if you want to get some solid gains.
The bigger the cycle the more side effects tho... acne for one, possible gyno if u dont take anti estrogen which i strongly recommend u do, and increase in hair loss or possibly start to recede your hairline that last reason is why I stay away from big dosages now also.
4 years later from when i started juicing and training hardcore have put on 100 pounds, started juicing at around 140 and last october I hit max weight of 240.... down to 203 right now with less than 10% bodyfat trying to diet for a bbin show.
who knows how much higher the weight could be if it wasnt for injuries, illnesses and dieting for bbing shows and powerlifting comps, but wats the point of taking all this stuff if ur not going to do something with it... plus all the dieting keeps me from becoming a big fat ass like some guys in the gym who take bulking to a whole new extreme....
I really want to take some gh or igf1 and t3 but all that shit is so expensive, plus i don't want a nasty gh gut.
Hope this could help some first timers out, I had to learn this shit on my own and i definitly have wasted lots of cash and time ... always stack , always stay on 3 months or more, and always take some form of anti - estrogen, and you better eat and train hard while your on and off it otherwise your wasting your money
