My new food experiment

[willl]

These last couple of years I've amassed everything I could in terms of nutrition and (exercise) physiology knowledge
I've taken courses, read the latest articles, reviewed older and modern research, books, blabla once you get to a certain point there really is no significant novelty ..

For about 10 years, I was one of those guys who used to rely heavily on AAS, training and food, in that particular order

I used to think solid dry gains were a result of 90% gear, and then the other two (+sleep)

So I'm doing this experiment to see for myself if the food-myth is true or false...

I already know from diverse past experiences and logbooks what my body goes through while cycling so I'd like to compare those results with the new ones on the supposedly better and improved nutritional formulas i'm on.

So far I'm 5 weeks in and using less gear but stuffing myself constantly with every healthy food alternative possible while increasing my water intake to where it should be.


What I can already notice and say is this:

The gains are truly SLOWER (so that's not really what i was hoping for) and I can't say they are denser or leaner because I always had those results

But I don't experience stomach issues anymore, distention, acidity, digestion problems,...

I have a great amount of full-day energy and no lethargy (my first time experiencing this constant energy)

Muscles are full all the time, reminds me of my heavy insulin days

Sleep is good..  BP is under control... Liver results came back normal

The only blood analysis negative is RBC and hematocrit, which i will have to remedy by donating E2M

I hope one month from now this so-called ultimate food therapy will yield better physical results



 

[dan18]

These last couple of years I've amassed everything I could in terms of nutrition and (exercise) physiology knowledge
I've taken courses, read the latest articles, reviewed older and modern research, books, blabla once you get to a certain point there really is no significant novelty ..

For about 10 years, I was one of those guys who used to rely heavily on AAS, training and food, in that particular order

I used to think solid dry gains were a result of 90% gear, and then the other two (+sleep)

So I'm doing this experiment to see for myself if the food-myth is true or false...

I already know from diverse past experiences and logbooks what my body goes through while cycling so I'd like to compare those results with the new ones on the supposedly better and improved nutritional formulas i'm on.

So far I'm 5 weeks in and using less gear but stuffing myself constantly with every healthy food alternative possible while increasing my water intake to where it should be.


What I can already notice and say is this:

The gains are truly SLOWER (so that's not really what i was hoping for) and I can't say they are denser or leaner because I always had those results

But I don't experience stomach issues anymore, distention, acidity, digestion problems,...

I have a great amount of full-day energy and no lethargy (my first time experiencing this constant energy)

Muscles are full all the time, reminds me of my heavy insulin days

Sleep is good..  BP is under control... Liver results came back normal

The only blood analysis negative is RBC and hematocrit, which i will have to remedy by donating E2M

I hope one month from now this so-called ultimate food therapy will yield better physical results



 

46 views and no one wants to say it so I will.. gear= fast gains but you will shrink when you come off most guys don't have the mental capacity to handle that so most cannot see life without them..

eating clean some cheat foods is no new concept but what you gain you keep ..now don't get me wrong to each his own I know some guys who will use low doses 20 to 30 mg t ball or d ball per day 30 days on 6 months off to help with a small boost and for joint pain but if you relly want to test you're theory you have to come off gear during you're test or its pointless

[ProudVirgin69]

You are using less gear and eating cleaner .. do I have that right?

Post some specifics, like doses before & now and what you're eating

[willl]

i dont believe in gearless bbing
its integral to the equation

i now hold the sportsnutrition 'diploma' and i'd like to see if those strategies actually work.. thats all

so i halved the gear and tripled the food, along with every other 'health-promoting' nutrition trick there is

i want to check for myself if the food can or cant make a difference

i heavily relied on gear in the past and obtained very good results along with the sides including enlarged organs (which i actually believe are necessary to accommodate a heavy muscled person)

[willl]

You are using less gear and eating cleaner .. do I have that right?

Post some specifics, like doses before & now and what you're eating

pm is what you have

[willl]

so the conclusion is as follows: no miracles and everything is as expected

better food, better health, energy, digestion, skin, blablabla

as far as gains are concerned, they were actually better too yet more slowly (22lbs over 45days, ok for my ectomorph body type)

ofcourse this means phase 2 = upping everything and see where i stand in 4 months

HINT for serious bbers (and in case your country limits your yearly donations) = tell your doc to prescribe you "erythrocytosis induced phlebotomies" which will allow you to go to your local clinic whenever you feel like it and piss out 500ml of blood through a vein punction. diminishes a large portion of BP, LVH and kidney related sides AS WELL

[ilalin]

got to work with your body also, your own physiology is very important, first visit Lyle's Bodyrecomposition site. I would personally do UD2 and juice for best gains. It's an extremely long topic...

[ESFitness]

Who are you again?

[Go 4 It]

Stan Efferding's vertical diet seems to be the new thing to do in the fitness, powerlifting, bodybuilding, strength and endurance world. Makes a lot of sense, not to mention Stan has spent thousands of dollars on hiring the top nutritionists in the bodybuilding, strength and conditioning world. Also has blood work done monthly for years. Currently is doing Hafthor's diet, as well as Brian Shaw, Larry Wheels, some top Crossfit athletes, and some bodybuilding competitors as well. The diet makes a lot of sense when he breaks it down from a micronutrient and macronutrient level.

[willl]

i like the premise of this vertical diet. the only problem i can see is a lack of variety but it has to be tried to be sure. perhaps it turns out not to be a problem. i think ill give this a shot and see if it increases my intake abilities without sacrifying overall health. thanks

[dj181]

Thanks for sharing dude

How about your total cal intake?

Is it more than it was when you were on higher amounts of gear?

[IroNat]

These last couple of years I've amassed everything I could in terms of nutrition and (exercise) physiology knowledge
I've taken courses, read the latest articles, reviewed older and modern research, books, blabla once you get to a certain point there really is no significant novelty ..

For about 10 years, I was one of those guys who used to rely heavily on AAS, training and food, in that particular order

I used to think solid dry gains were a result of 90% gear, and then the other two (+sleep)

So I'm doing this experiment to see for myself if the food-myth is true or false...

I already know from diverse past experiences and logbooks what my body goes through while cycling so I'd like to compare those results with the new ones on the supposedly better and improved nutritional formulas i'm on.

So far I'm 5 weeks in and using less gear but stuffing myself constantly with every healthy food alternative possible while increasing my water intake to where it should be.


What I can already notice and say is this:

The gains are truly SLOWER (so that's not really what i was hoping for) and I can't say they are denser or leaner because I always had those results

But I don't experience stomach issues anymore, distention, acidity, digestion problems,...

I have a great amount of full-day energy and no lethargy (my first time experiencing this constant energy)

Muscles are full all the time, reminds me of my heavy insulin days

Sleep is good..  BP is under control... Liver results came back normal

The only blood analysis negative is RBC and hematocrit, which i will have to remedy by donating E2M

I hope one month from now this so-called ultimate food therapy will yield better physical results



 

So basically, avoid drugs, eat a balanced diet and get enough sleep.

My mother told me this 50 years ago.

[willl]

Thanks for sharing dude

How about your total cal intake?

Is it more than it was when you were on higher amounts of gear?

yes it is, but like i said i am now going to move forward to similar levels of previous gear usage (but without orals etc) along with the improved nutrition, this shd get me where i want to be..
hopefully within the next 5 months

[willl]

So basically, avoid drugs, eat a balanced diet and get enough sleep.

My mother told me this 50 years ago.

not really

your mother was a good person

[IroNat]

not really

your mother was a good person

My mother would have made an excellent concentration camp guard.

[IRON CROSS]

Stan Efferding's vertical diet seems to be the new thing to do in the fitness, powerlifting, bodybuilding, strength and endurance world. Makes a lot of sense, not to mention Stan has spent thousands of dollars on hiring the top nutritionists in the bodybuilding, strength and conditioning world. Also has blood work done monthly for years. Currently is doing Hafthor's diet, as well as Brian Shaw, Larry Wheels, some top Crossfit athletes, and some bodybuilding competitors as well. The diet makes a lot of sense when he breaks it down from a micronutrient and macronutrient level.

Vince Gironda diet 

[IRON CROSS]

My mother would have made an excellent concentration camp guard.

Auschwitz diet is still the best diet + free gym membership 

[Desolate]

My new food experiment

Be specific about what you're eating.

How are you training?

Any legal supplementation?

[Straw Man]

Vince Gironda diet 

if Gironda's diet included rice and fruit (and veggies)

Gironda's diet was mostly steak and eggs

[tres_taco_combo]

Stan Efferding's vertical diet seems to be the new thing to do in the fitness, powerlifting, bodybuilding, strength and endurance world. Makes a lot of sense, not to mention Stan has spent thousands of dollars on hiring the top nutritionists in the bodybuilding, strength and conditioning world. Also has blood work done monthly for years. Currently is doing Hafthor's diet, as well as Brian Shaw, Larry Wheels, some top Crossfit athletes, and some bodybuilding competitors as well. The diet makes a lot of sense when he breaks it down from a micronutrient and macronutrient level.

not to side track OG Post - can you explain the vertical diet in a nutshell? and what yours looks like


for me the best diet advice has come from Dave Palumbo

[Straw Man]

not to side track OG Post - can you explain the vertical diet in a nutshell? and what yours looks like


for me the best diet advice has come from Dave Palumbo

here's a link with a bunch of info

https://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/topic/314517-stan-efferding-the-vertical-diet-20-the-complete-book/

[TheGrinch]

#1 Best Diet =



Gal/Noone diet



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[willl]

I started the vertical diet approach (tweeked it to my needs) yesterday.

Will be doing it for 2 months and hopefully gain around 40lbs

Ambition is to turn pro (classic) on november 27th


Current meal plan:

- 2 eggs, 2 unripe bananas, 1 orange
- chicken broth
- 200gr lean meat steak, 125g (dry) white rice, zucchini
- 200gr white fish, 500gr mashed potatoes, cucumber
- 200gr lean meat steak, 125 (dry) white rice, green pepper or carrots
- 80gr mackerel, 75gr(dry) white rice, green olives
- 200gr greek yoghurt, dark grapes

Daily additions: alkaline water, mac oil, baking soda, flaxseed oil

Will adapt and increase along the way if necessary

T prop, Deca, aromasin, nolva

8 wo's /week, every muscle twice

will update in 2 months

[Tennisballz]

I started the vertical diet approach (tweeked it to my needs) yesterday.

Will be doing it for 2 months and hopefully gain around 40lbs

Ambition is to turn pro (classic) on november 27th


Current meal plan:

- 2 eggs, 2 unripe bananas, 1 orange
- chicken broth
- 200gr lean meat steak, 125g (dry) white rice, zucchini
- 200gr white fish, 500gr mashed potatoes, cucumber
- 200gr lean meat steak, 125 (dry) white rice, green pepper or carrots
- 80gr mackerel, 75gr(dry) white rice, green olives
- 200gr greek yoghurt, dark grapes

Daily additions: alkaline water, mac oil, baking soda, flaxseed oil

Will adapt and increase along the way if necessary

T prop, Deca, aromasin, nolva

8 wo's /week, every muscle twice

will update in 2 months

What are your current stats?  Any pics?  Getbig will tell you right away if you have the potential to be a pro.  How have you done at shows?

[The Keto Kid]

I started the vertical diet approach (tweeked it to my needs) yesterday.

Will be doing it for 2 months and hopefully gain around 40lbs

Ambition is to turn pro (classic) on november 27th


Current meal plan:

- 2 eggs, 2 unripe bananas, 1 orange
- chicken broth
- 200gr lean meat steak, 125g (dry) white rice, zucchini
- 200gr white fish, 500gr mashed potatoes, cucumber
- 200gr lean meat steak, 125 (dry) white rice, green pepper or carrots
- 80gr mackerel, 75gr(dry) white rice, green olives
- 200gr greek yoghurt, dark grapes

Daily additions: alkaline water, mac oil, baking soda, flaxseed oil

Will adapt and increase along the way if necessary

T prop, Deca, aromasin, nolva

8 wo's /week, every muscle twice

will update in 2 months

I see many things that aren't on the vertical diet listed on your plan, not to mention specific things that are left out, for one Stan's post workout protocol.