true nutritional mastery is very subtle, that u will likely fail then take roids

[Marty Champions]

u need to calm down n pay upmost attention

[Marty Champions]

Steroids work. They're a powerful hormone taken as a medication. Of course, that is not their intended purpose. But when you see a lifetime natural who eats like a monk and looks like one (remember Sev), it makes you wonder what the point is of working out and dieting for a "look" if just injecting yourself EOD and popping some pills gets you 10x more muscular and leaner than the guy who spends $150 on week on biological nutritional regimens and lifts 6x a week at his local gym. I get the exercise for health thing, but we're talking people who do it for the appearance factor. A natural can and never will hold a candle to even an average part-time lifter on the gas.

go at it subtly bro... monks are too rigid. a tree that bends in the storm lives on , falconi proverbs 83.33

[IroNat]

Steroids work. They're a powerful hormone taken as a medication. Of course, that is not their intended purpose. But when you see a lifetime natural who eats like a monk and looks like one (remember Sev), it makes you wonder what the point is of working out and dieting for a "look" if just injecting yourself EOD and popping some pills gets you 10x more muscular and leaner than the guy who spends $150 on week on biological nutritional regimens and lifts 6x a week at his local gym. I get the exercise for health thing, but we're talking people who do it for the appearance factor. A natural can and never will hold a candle to even an average part-time lifter on the gas.

KO baby.

[Dave D]

John why did you do the foods? The pills and the shots. Were they bad back in the early 2000's?

[tres_taco_combo]

Steroids work. They're a powerful hormone taken as a medication. Of course, that is not their intended purpose. But when you see a lifetime natural who eats like a monk and looks like one (remember Sev), it makes you wonder what the point is of working out and dieting for a "look" if just injecting yourself EOD and popping some pills gets you 10x more muscular and leaner than the guy who spends $150 on week on biological nutritional regimens and lifts 6x a week at his local gym. I get the exercise for health thing, but we're talking people who do it for the appearance factor. A natural can and never will hold a candle to even an average part-time lifter on the gas.

I do feel most do not reach their natural peak before hitting the sauce. (talking serious types not weekend warriors) should do a few natty shows, max out natty, then begin to cycle after that

[Marty Champions]

John why did you do the foods? The pills and the shots. Were they bad back in the early 2000's?

back then anything but subtle approach. zero carbs, fasting but moving, extreme dieting, 2 aday workouts ive been at it long

[Dave D]

back then anything but subtle approach. Loads of anabolics, fasting but moving, extreme dieting, 2 aday workouts ive been at it long

Hey you changed my words!

[Marty Champions]

sounds somewhat along the lines of the no one/galeniko method, although I'm not sure how long they recommended their diet for vs. as a long-term solution to rapid fat loss.

the standard starvation diet eating meat can have u looking pretty dam good but it will sneak in those grey hairs and hairloss for some folk