Exercise doesn't help lose more weight!

[Gorback]

genetically sound humans do not get fat.

Its the opposite - fat accumulation its a sound mecanism of survival when living far from equator...

[Al Doggity]

There’s really two separate issues here:

Does exercise burn calories? Of course.

Will this burning of calories help you lose weight? It might and it might not depending on your diet.

People are confusing "losing weight"  with getting or being in shape. Those two things don't necessarily mean the same thing. When you think about the type of changes people want to make to their bodies with exercise, losing weight is only one goal people have. Most people who go to my gym aren't strictly trying to lose weight. They are trying to add muscle, change body composition, etc. Someone used an example of twins looking different if they had the same diet but one weight trained daily. They'd probably look different, but the one that worked out  wouldn't necessarily weigh less. If they are males, he'd likely weigh more.

The rise in popularity of hiit cardio over steady state in the past few years was partially driven by the fact that your body adjusts the speed it burns calories when you're doing steady state. That falls in line with the topic of this thread.

[Zillotch]

fat accumulation its a sound mecanism of survival

the only viable 'mechanism of survival' is competent cognitive function... fat accumulation does not improve impaired, tard DNA

[Agnostic007]

There’s really two separate issues here:

Does exercise burn calories? Of course.

Will this burning of calories help you lose weight? It might and it might not depending on your diet.

I think this is overall accurate. Cardio alone will have negligible impact on weight loss. The average person can't work off  a buffet dinner. Diet is most of weight loss. Having said that, I think the exercise does contribute to a small extent, weight loss, but the health benefits of  resistance and cardio training is well worth it even if not a single ounce of weight is lost doing it.

[Primemuscle]

There are several uneducated muscle heads here. I search for the truth. That photo was stolen from a site of mine before I had a password.

I examine research and do even more research. Gradually the truth will emerge. Sometimes things have to change because of that research.

So is this theory regarding calorie expenditure something you only recently discovered? How might this help you to lose the extra weight (safety fat) you carry around or is that not your goal?

[Ted SuperSet]

Thanks for the advice. I've over indulged when drinking at home for more than a decade. I don't plan to quit ALCOHOL altogether. My plan is to stop drinking at home alone because that's the only time I over indulge. When I am at a social occasion, I maybe have two drinks and I'm done.

If I revert to over-indulgent, solitary drinking, I will seek professional help. Hopefully, that won't be necessary. I have a good record of breaking bad habits and sticking to it.

When I was in my twenties, I smoked 3 packs of cigarettes a day. I decided to quit. I never smoked cigarettes again. This was 45 years ago. Several years ago, a friend brought two very expensive cigars when he and his wife came to dinner. To be polite, I smoked with him. It was a real chore since I never cared for cigars.

No trolling Prime but don't underestimate the situation. You drink a LOT and is going to be very hard to stop that all at once.

[Brian Poulos]

Alright here's the facts:

1. Cardio is useless for losing weight. You burn a few hundred calories but your body slows metabolism accordingly to retain the stored energy (fat). In short, cardio sucks.

2. The ONLY way to become lean is to weight train using compound movements in the 6-8 rep range, while eating a high protein low glycemic diet.

[Ted SuperSet]

The U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates that, on average, an adult American woman needs between 1,800 and 2,400 kcal each day to support her normal activities. The range for adult men is between 2,400 and 3,000 kcal.

Compare these numbers to the calories burned by a professional cyclist riding in the Tour de France. Riders will typically burn about 4,000 kcal on an "easy" stage. Average stages require between 4,000 and 6,000 kcal. Grueling mountain stages demand calorie burns of 7,000 kcal or more. A Tour de France rider will burn enough calories during a six-hour mountain stage to fuel an average person's activity for two to four days.

Nutritionists who work for the teams that ride in the Tour de France try to provide each rider with a daily diet of 6,000 to 8,000 kcal. To fulfill these high-calorie diets the riders consume both liquid and solid food from the moment they get up in the morning to the moment they go to bed at night.

The goal may be to consume 6,000 to 8,000 calories a day but few riders are successful at meeting this goal throughout the course of the Tour. They inevitably fall behind and once that occurs, it's almost impossible to catch up. When calorie intake falls behind demand, the body begins to feed on itself to get the energy it needs to finish the stage.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinmurnane/2016/07/18/fueling-the-peloton-in-the-tour-de-france/#4eda141e3fbd

lol that is only possible because of all the doping. the article does not mention any of that.

[Ted SuperSet]

By stating 'Exercise doesn't help lose more weight!' you have no clue yourself about interpreting this study. After a while the body adapts to a given stress, which is an important distinction.

sharp.
this might explain why a lot construction workers are fat. working all day hard labour....stil fat

[Ted SuperSet]

There’s really two separate issues here:

Does exercise burn calories? Of course.

Will this burning of calories help you lose weight? It might and it might not depending on your diet.

this

[Primemuscle]

No trolling Prime but don't underestimate the situation. You drink a LOT and is going to be very hard to stop that all at once.

I agree with you on both counts. This is why I am so amazed at how easy it's been so far. No detox symptoms and no urge to drink. Each day I wonder if this will be the day these things kick in and they don't. I'll admit that I've intentionally started projects at around 5:00 p.m. in the event I need a distraction. Oregon liquor stores close at 8:00 p.m. This means my window of failure is pretty short. I prefer to say I drank a lot. Twelve days of success. I'll build on this as a positive sign.

Although I've not had a problem with drinking socially, I'm avoiding this for the time being.

[Primemuscle]

Alright here's the facts:

1. Cardio is useless for losing weight. You burn a few hundred calories but your body slows metabolism accordingly to retain the stored energy (fat). In short, cardio sucks.

2. The ONLY way to become lean is to weight train using compound movements in the 6-8 rep range, while eating a high protein low glycemic diet.

So what if cardio doesn't aid in weight loss, it is still a healthy thing to do. An unforeseen benefit I've  experienced is that walking on a treadmill improves my stability and balance. Some older folks have issues with these things which explains why they have a greater tendency young folks do to take a fall.

[illuminati]

The U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates that, on average, an adult American woman needs between 1,800 and 2,400 kcal each day to support her normal activities. The range for adult men is between 2,400 and 3,000 kcal.

Compare these numbers to the calories burned by a professional cyclist riding in the Tour de France. Riders will typically burn about 4,000 kcal on an "easy" stage. Average stages require between 4,000 and 6,000 kcal. Grueling mountain stages demand calorie burns of 7,000 kcal or more. A Tour de France rider will burn enough calories during a six-hour mountain stage to fuel an average person's activity for two to four days.

Nutritionists who work for the teams that ride in the Tour de France try to provide each rider with a daily diet of 6,000 to 8,000 kcal. To fulfill these high-calorie diets the riders consume both liquid and solid food from the moment they get up in the morning to the moment they go to bed at night.

The goal may be to consume 6,000 to 8,000 calories a day but few riders are successful at meeting this goal throughout the course of the Tour. They inevitably fall behind and once that occurs, it's almost impossible to catch up. When calorie intake falls behind demand, the body begins to feed on itself to get the energy it needs to finish the stage.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinmurnane/2016/07/18/fueling-the-peloton-in-the-tour-de-france/#4eda141e3fbd

We’ll have to get harriet hall md to study the tour cyclists
And confirm they are actually only using the same number of calories
As a sedentary office worker....  

It’s clearly obvious cycling for 6hrs up mountains day after day
Uses no more calories than sitting behind a desk... isn’t that correct
Vince & Harriet... Noble prize winners for stupidity 2018.

[Titus Pullo]

There are several uneducated muscle heads here. I search for the truth. That photo was stolen from a site of mine before I had a password.

I examine research and do even more research. Gradually the truth will emerge. Sometimes things have to change because of that research.

But you also have to look closely at the metrics these studies employ.  It could very well be sets of identical twins eat roughly the same number of kcals and weigh about the same, but the twin who engages in regular resistance exercise alone is bound to have a greater muscle/fat ratio -- and while I'm not going to present any specfic studies that document that, I'm sure they exist.

One other note on "studies":  if one finds something radically different than, say, fifty before it, there's generally a simple reason to explain the outliers.  Science is based on as much.  Otherwise, some of the "studies" the cigarette companies did -- you know, the sort that suggested smoking didn't cause various diseases -- would be just as valid as the thousands of studies to the contrary.

[Brian Poulos]

So what if cardio doesn't aid in weight loss, it is still a healthy thing to do. An unforeseen benefit I've  experienced is that walking on a treadmill improves my stability and balance. Some older folks have issues with these things which explains why they have a greater tendency young folks do to take a fall.

Older folks need to do squats and deadlifts. Treadmills are for hamsters.

[DroppingPlates]

sharp.
this might explain why a lot construction workers are fat. working all day hard labour....stil fat

My theory is that most construction workers hate their job (can't blame them for this), so they comfort themselves with shitty calorie dense foods & booze

[illuminati]

Older folks need to do squats and deadlifts. Treadmills are for hamsters.

Please be quiet
WTF do you know.
Have you forgot your posts ?
18mnths training & not any squats or deadlifts.

Go Away - your a joke.

[Al Doggity]

One other note on "studies":  if one finds something radically different than, say, fifty before it, there's generally a simple reason to explain the outliers.  Science is based on as much.  Otherwise, some of the "studies" the cigarette companies did -- you know, the sort that suggested smoking didn't cause various diseases -- would be just as valid as the thousands of studies to the contrary.

There are a lot of studies that dispute the link between exercise and weight loss.

[Primemuscle]

Older folks need to do squats and deadlifts. Treadmills are for hamsters.

Take it from this old folk, squats and deadlifts aren't as productive as they were before our knees and our backs started crapping out. I still do them, but with very little if any added weight.

[Zillotch]

old

yes u r, creep... on deaths door, in fact

[Primemuscle]

yes u r, creep... on deaths door, in fact

A troll's gotta troll. 

[Zillotch]

A troll's gotta troll. 

thats more like the power of positive thinking... if I say it enough...

[Bindare_Dundat]

sharp.
this might explain why a lot construction workers are fat. working all day hard labour....stil fat

Lmao. I've never witnessed a  fat fuck that is working hard labor all day consistently. They are almost always slower and less productive then the others provided everything else is the same.

And most guys on a construction site are the worst eaters around. Almost none eat breakfast, most eat garbage processed slop and drink, smoke or get fucked up on some drug or drugs. Honestly, some of the unhealthiest guys on the planet work constriction sites.

[Primemuscle]

thats more like the power of positive thinking... if I say it enough...

Well then, I think you should say it more and then report back on how that's worked out for you.

[Ted SuperSet]

My theory is that most construction workers hate their job (can't blame them for this), so they comfort themselves with shitty calorie dense foods & booze

plausible theory.

plus you cant out labour a pour diet??