Ronnie Coleman - Positive Outlook

[NarcissisticDeity]

Do you guys realize Haney weighed more in 91 at his best at 254 vs. Coleman at his best in 98 at 252. Haney is an inch taller at 5'11 vs. Coleman 5'10.

Say what you want but Haney in 91 is more complete than Coleman in 98. Coleman wins on freak factor not perfection. Haney wins on Symmetry, Proportions, tie-ins, posing.

Do you guys realize Haney weighed more in 91 at his best at 254 vs. Coleman at his best in 98 at 252. Haney is an inch taller at 5'11 vs. Coleman 5'10.

Stop repeating this nonsense. Haney was 249lbs in 1991 according to him in his book ( as well as the magazines ) And Ronnie was the same in 1998 and he's the same height 5'11" and Ronnie was much leaner at the same weight than Haney ever was , I.E. more muscle and less fat

[Earl1972]

Do you guys realize Haney weighed more in 91 at his best at 254 vs. Coleman at his best in 98 at 252. Haney is an inch taller at 5'11 vs. Coleman 5'10.

Say what you want but Haney in 91 is more complete than Coleman in 98. Coleman wins on freak factor not perfection. Haney wins on Symmetry, Proportions, tie-ins, posing.

you think haney wins the 98 olympia?

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[Fortress]

Do you guys realize Haney weighed more in 91 at his best at 254 vs. Coleman at his best in 98 at 252. Haney is an inch taller at 5'11 vs. Coleman 5'10.

Say what you want but Haney in 91 is more complete than Coleman in 98. Coleman wins on freak factor not perfection. Haney wins on Symmetry, Proportions, tie-ins, posing.

I agree. Said it earlier in the thread.

In totality, Haney was better.

And possibly the most gentlemanly bodybuilder I’ve ever had the pleasure to know.

[Wiggs]

Stop repeating this nonsense. Haney was 249lbs in 1991 according to him in his book ( as well as the magazines ) And Ronnie was the same in 1998 and he's the same height 5'11" and Ronnie was much leaner at the same weight than Haney ever was , I.E. more muscle and less fat

Wrong, listen to the last interview I posted with him. He said he was 254 in 91. And no, Ronow was never 5'11. He was 5'10. When he became Mr. O, he was 5'11. I've stood next to him or spoke with him many times since 1999.

This isn't a whose the leanest contest. It's whose the best. Being leaner dosent mean you'really better.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Wrong, listen to the last interview I posted with him. He said he was 254 in 91. And no, Ronow was never 5'11. He was 5'10. When he became Mr. O, he was 5'11. I've stood next to him or spoke with him many times since 1999.

This isn't a whose the leanest contest. It's whose the best. Being leaner dosent mean you'really better.

I'll take what he said at the time in 1991 not 27 years later. I'll take Ronnie's word on his own height before yours , no offense.

It's a whose the leanest AND biggest AND better balanced AND better proportioned AND more complete etc contest and Lee was NEVER has lean as Ronnie was in 98 or 01

[Kwon3]

But Kevin doesn’t seem to be happy, something is missing, otherwise he would have left bbing and competing behind a long time ago. Not a good example, Dorian, Haney, and many others are better examples

Kevin was the one being discussed, not those other bodybuilders. As for how he feels, no one knows that but Kevin, so speculating here is meaningless as is comparing him to others.

What we can say is that he's probably not very intelligent and has no talents outside of competing; unfortunately, his best years are long behind him and he has trouble letting go of it, like an abusive girlfriend that he keeps returning to. That said, he also has been hyping it for years to get followers on social media, sell his protein powders and old DVDs at expo, and remain relevant, since we're talking of him now.

[Kwon3]

Do you guys realize Haney weighed more in 91 at his best at 254 vs. Coleman at his best in 98 at 252. Haney is an inch taller at 5'11 vs. Coleman 5'10.

Say what you want but Haney in 91 is more complete than Coleman in 98. Coleman wins on freak factor not perfection. Haney wins on Symmetry, Proportions, tie-ins, posing.

This thread isn't about Haney so quit changing the fucking subject.

[Kwon3]

Wrong, listen to the last interview I posted with him. He said he was 254 in 91. And no, Ronow was never 5'11. He was 5'10. When he became Mr. O, he was 5'11. I've stood next to him or spoke with him many times since 1999.

This isn't a whose the leanest contest. It's whose the best. Being leaner dosent mean you'really better.

Yeah, a guy talking about his own stats at the top of his career, very reliable way to get honest information. 

Nobody said Ronnie was more than 5'9" 1/2 or 5'10"; only gullible magazine writers and slimebag narrators of Olympias when the show was still televised and they wanted to hype up its stars worked that into the dialogue. He's short as hell. But he has long arms and legs on a short torso, and that gave the illusion that he was taller than he was. Filming him from the waist up at a crouching angle in all of Mitsuro Okabe's videos also accentuated his mountainous size without putting it into perspective next to a legitimately big guy like Sean Allen.

[Kwon3]

Kevin was the least friendly bodybuilder I’ve ever met. You’d think he’d be friendly or personable to the only person waiting in line for an autograph when you see a 16 year old kid at the NPC Southern States prejudging introducing himself to the weird world of schmoedom. A prime Levrone is a great bodybuilder nonetheless but socially retarded/autistic.

When you subtract the self-interest, the need to talk to people to make sales, the ego's nagging prodding to take photos with fans just to end up on their social media feeds and get a thousand comments (about you, not them) or end up in their living room in a frame hanging on the wall, or just the enjoyable experience of having a large number of people line up to shake your hand or slap your shoulder, then what's left isn't much "friendliness" in any of these guys at all.

If you didn't meet them at an expo or a show, they'd never notice you or talk to you. Their 'friendliness' is the same kindness or attention someone in a retail setting gives you when you check out an item or call a contact center with a billing question. It's all scripted and none of it's genuine.

So we can add a line in Kevin's column for honesty, because at least he didn't need to try to hide his indifference to the idiots who go these events like his competitors did. He just didn't like you, like he didn't like anyone but his friends & family. That makes him basically pretty much the average person, if you think about it. Outside of their immediate circle, most people wouldn't lift a finger to help a fellow person or ask them how they're feeling and actually mean it.

[Dave D]

When you subtract the self-interest, the need to talk to people to make sales, the ego's nagging prodding to take photos with fans just to end up on their social media feeds and get a thousand comments (about you, not them) or end up in their living room in a frame hanging on the wall, or just the enjoyable experience of having a large number of people line up to shake your hand or slap your shoulder, then what's left isn't much "friendliness" in any of these guys at all.

If you didn't meet them at an expo or a show, they'd never notice you or talk to you. Their 'friendliness' is the same kindness or attention someone in a retail setting gives you when you check out an item or call a contact center with a billing question. It's all scripted and none of it's genuine.

So we can add a line in Kevin's column for honesty, because at least he didn't need to try to hide his indifference to the idiots who go these events like his competitors did. He just didn't like you, like he didn't like anyone but his friends & family. That makes him basically pretty much the average person, if you think about it. Outside of their immediate circle, most people wouldn't lift a finger to help a fellow person or ask them how they're feeling and actually mean it.

Nah. Most people are at least respectful and polite. At the very least they will acknowledge you even if it's with indifference.

I "ran" into Kevin at the Arnold classic as he was walking around in a track suit with no one around him, this is when he was significantly down sized. I walked up to him said hello and mentioned I post on Getbig.  He had made a comment on here about attending the show  and something about guys who attend who never compete but diet down so they can walk around the expo in shirts that are to tight to show off their arms only body, and I referenced his post.

Needless to say he looked at me  with disgust and walked away. I figured it was no big deal, that he didnt want to be bothered because he wasn't at a booth and my buddy said F him for being so rude, that if he didn't  want to be bothered he shouldn't have attended the overcrowded expo loaded with bodybuilding fans.


Kevin doesn't owe anyone anything or have to like anyone but if he's going to an event that is designed to celebrate his "celebrity"  he should at least be cordial.

I've met King, who catches a lot of flack, backstage after he got callouts that he wasn't happy with during prejudging and he politely told me it wasnt a good time for him and hed talk to me later.  Same with Chic and several others.


I Can understand if you don't want to deal with people but take some responsibility and avoid where they are congregated.

 Levrone was rude to a 16 year old fan who was waiting in line to meet him, lol. That's keeping it real?

[Kwon3]

Nah. Most people are at least respectful and polite. At the very least they will acknowledge you even if it's with indifference.

I take it you've never sent a woman a message on a dating app, website, or social media profile.

I "ran" into Kevin at the Arnold classic as he was walking around in a track suit with no one around him, this is when he was significantly down sized. I walked up to him said hello and mentioned I post on Getbig.  He had made a comment on here about attending the show  and something about guys who attend who never compete but diet down so they can walk around the expo in shirts that are to tight to show off their arms only body, and I referenced his post.

Needless to say he looked at me  with disgust and walked away. I figured it was no big deal, that he didnt want to be bothered because he wasn't at a booth and my buddy said F him for being so rude, that if he didn't  want to be bothered he shouldn't have attended the overcrowded expo loaded with bodybuilding fans.

That's a very weird lead-in; "Hey man, remember when you said this one thing on this one site a while ago? Could you kind of elaborate on it, I'm just really curious, not judging you or anything."

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I'd have walked away, too.

Kevin doesn't owe anyone anything or have to like anyone but if he's going to an event that is designed to celebrate his "celebrity"  he should at least be cordial.

He's under no obligation to talk to anyone or meet anyone's subjective criteria for being 'respectful'. He's there for himself and anyone who wants to tag along should understand that and probably avoid talking to him first. After all, it wasn't a meet & greet backstage or something you'd planned together in advance. He doesn't even know who you people are.

I've met King, who catches a lot of flack, backstage after he got callouts that he wasn't happy with during prejudging and he politely told me it wasnt a good time for him and hed talk to me later.  Same with Chic and several others.

Well, good for them. I guess when you're at the bottom and miserable, you love company. Who doesn't, right? Any homeless guy will talk your ear off if you give him a cigarette. Those guys are the bodybuilding version of India's untouchables caste.

I Can understand if you don't want to deal with people but take some responsibility and avoid where they are congregated.

Why? I can go anywhere I want and don't feel the need to talk to anyone or have anyone talk to me. What obligates him to do any of that? Being a former competitor? LOL. Grow up, dude. That's not how these things work at all. Rich Piana didn't care for his fans any more than Kevin did; he just had a video channel and a supplement line to sell and talking to wobbly, sideways-hat wearing mouth-breathers with tribal tattoos while his braindead roadies signed their 5%'er water jugs or posters beats working 40 hours in a office or a warehouse on a forklift, which is what he'd be doing if he wasn't a YouTube celebrity. So, stupid and gullible people will sing his praises even when he's a year in a pine box eaten by maggots; I saw a thread about how 'real' and 'easy going' he was just a couple of weeks ago on here.

Levrone was rude to a 16 year old fan who was waiting in line to meet him, lol. That's keeping it real?

Yep, it sure is. If he pretended to befriend that kid, he'd be doing the exact opposite - being a phony just to appease random people who think they know him and therefore like him, without actually having a clue what he's all about or whether he even wants to talk to them. That makes him the exception, not the rule: Most people, as you said, will feel compelled to say something to someone to approaches them in the real world, whether keen to or not. Those of us who don't feel the same compunction will just shrug and keep walking or ignore you if we're stuck in the same space for a time, like at the airport when the garrulous and gay old primemuscle lookalike starts showing you his smartphone and admiring your Samsonite suitcase because he has one too and his flight's delayed.

[Earl1972]

Nah. Most people are at least respectful and polite. At the very least they will acknowledge you even if it's with indifference.

I "ran" into Kevin at the Arnold classic as he was walking around in a track suit with no one around him, this is when he was significantly down sized. I walked up to him said hello and mentioned I post on Getbig.  He had made a comment on here about attending the show  and something about guys who attend who never compete but diet down so they can walk around the expo in shirts that are to tight to show off their arms only body, and I referenced his post.

Needless to say he looked at me  with disgust and walked away. I figured it was no big deal, that he didnt want to be bothered because he wasn't at a booth and my buddy said F him for being so rude, that if he didn't  want to be bothered he shouldn't have attended the overcrowded expo loaded with bodybuilding fans.


Kevin doesn't owe anyone anything or have to like anyone but if he's going to an event that is designed to celebrate his "celebrity"  he should at least be cordial.

I've met King, who catches a lot of flack, backstage after he got callouts that he wasn't happy with during prejudging and he politely told me it wasnt a good time for him and hed talk to me later.  Same with Chic and several others.


I Can understand if you don't want to deal with people but take some responsibility and avoid where they are congregated.

 Levrone was rude to a 16 year old fan who was waiting in line to meet him, lol. That's keeping it real?

you got the LevrOWNING you deserve "dave d"

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[Dave D]

I take it you've never sent a woman a message on a dating app, website, or social media profile.

His response was very womanesque. Like why would you talk to me.

That's a very weird lead-in; "Hey man, remember when you said this one thing on this one site a while ago? Could you kind of elaborate on it, I'm just really curious, not judging you or anything."

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I'd have walked away, too.

He was just standing in the aisle and I recognized him. I just went up and said hello and he just stared at me like why would I approach him. It was awkward and I said something like we spoke on get big, I can't remember if he commented that response to a question I had or if it was completely unrelated. I seem to remember that comment getting a response on here so that's why I referenced it.

He's under no obligation to talk to anyone or meet anyone's subjective criteria for being 'respectful'. He's there for himself and anyone who wants to tag along should understand that and probably avoid talking to him first. After all, it wasn't a meet & greet backstage or something you'd planned together in advance. He doesn't even know who you people are.

100% correct. He doesn't owe me/anyone anything. If he wants to act like a clown I can call him on it.

Well, good for them. I guess when you're at the bottom and miserable, you love company. Who doesn't, right? Any homeless guy will talk your ear off if you give him a cigarette. Those guys are the bodybuilding version of India's untouchables caste.

Meh. They were nice, they didn't have to be. At that time they could have been rude and it would be understandable.

Why? I can go anywhere I want and don't feel the need to talk to anyone or have anyone talk to me. What obligates him to do any of that? Being a former competitor? LOL. Grow up, dude. That's not how these things work at all. Rich Piana didn't care for his fans any more than Kevin did; he just had a video channel and a supplement line to sell and talking to wobbly, sideways-hat wearing mouth-breathers with tribal tattoos while his braindead roadies signed their 5%'er water jugs or posters beats working 40 hours in a office or a warehouse on a forklift, which is what he'd be doing if he wasn't a YouTube celebrity. So, stupid and gullible people will sing his praises even when he's a year in a pine box eaten by maggots; I saw a thread about how 'real' and 'easy going' he was just a couple of weeks ago on here.

He acted how he wanted, it's not a big deal. My only interaction with him, at a bodybuilding expo, he was rude. Frankie Edgar was talkative, so was Randy Coture and Mark Coleman. They were leaving their booths or walking around. They could have been rude too. They weren't so I think they're nice guys. Titus was nice and chatty in person. I liked him. He killed his assistant.

None of it matters. Dave d from getbig says so and so was mean and he was nice,  lol

If you show up to an event that's designed to meet people you should be prepared to do that. If you're a "celebrity" in that world and don't want to be bothered have security (or be rude I guess) and you won't be bothered.

Yep, it sure is. If he pretended to befriend that kid, he'd be doing the exact opposite - being a phony just to appease random people who think they know him and therefore like him, without actually having a clue what he's all about or whether he even wants to talk to them. That makes him the exception, not the rule: Most people, as you said, will feel compelled to say something to someone to approaches them in the real world, whether keen to or not. Those of us who don't feel the same compunction will just shrug and keep walking or ignore you if we're stuck in the same space for a time, like at the airport when the garrulous and gay old primemuscle lookalike starts showing you his smartphone and admiring your Samsonite suitcase because he has one too and his flight's delayed.

Social norms are norms for a reason. There is an expectation for pleasantries, if someone over steps those boundaries then they are labeled rude, weird, whatever. It's the world we live in.

Kevin did the kid a favor. He quickly realized bodybuilders are a joke and saved him years of wasted dreams.

[Dave D]

you got the LevrOWNING you deserve "dave d"

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LOL I did.

[IronMagazine.com]

Ronnie was an amazing bodybuilder, one of my favorites...but A FUCKING MORON.

[Rambone]

Nah. Most people are at least respectful and polite. At the very least they will acknowledge you even if it's with indifference.

I "ran" into Kevin at the Arnold classic as he was walking around in a track suit with no one around him, this is when he was significantly down sized. I walked up to him said hello and mentioned I post on Getbig.  He had made a comment on here about attending the show  and something about guys who attend who never compete but diet down so they can walk around the expo in shirts that are to tight to show off their arms only body, and I referenced his post.

Needless to say he looked at me  with disgust and walked away. I figured it was no big deal, that he didnt want to be bothered because he wasn't at a booth and my buddy said F him for being so rude, that if he didn't  want to be bothered he shouldn't have attended the overcrowded expo loaded with bodybuilding fans.


Kevin doesn't owe anyone anything or have to like anyone but if he's going to an event that is designed to celebrate his "celebrity"  he should at least be cordial.

I've met King, who catches a lot of flack, backstage after he got callouts that he wasn't happy with during prejudging and he politely told me it wasnt a good time for him and hed talk to me later.  Same with Chic and several others.


I Can understand if you don't want to deal with people but take some responsibility and avoid where they are congregated.

 Levrone was rude to a 16 year old fan who was waiting in line to meet him, lol. That's keeping it real?

I’m glad you responded because I didn’t feel like getting into a heated debate with a guy who’s clearly jaded because his life sucks and is as socially retarded as Kevin. A similar scenario happened around that same time (2000) where Jay Cutler was signing autographs at a nutrition store and nobody was there. He was nice, personable, and talked to us for at least 10 minutes. I guess they’re polar opposites when you look at it. One is a four-time Olympia champion and successful businessman and the other is always the bridesmaid and never the bride and is embarrassingly donning a thong in the twilight of his life expectancy with nothing but lint and buttons in his tracksuit pockets. He should focus on being a father, but once again, he doesn’t care about kids.

[Pet shop boys]

Wrong, listen to the last interview I posted with him. He said he was 254 in 91. And no, Ronow was never 5'11. He was 5'10. When he became Mr. O, he was 5'11. I've stood next to him or spoke with him many times since 1999.

This isn't a whose the leanest contest. It's whose the best. Being leaner dosent mean you'really better.

So if Ronnie is 5'10".... how tall is Kevin ?



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[Pet shop boys]

you think haney wins the 98 olympia?

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While I don't think anyone could beat Ronnie 98'


Lee Haney 85' would even make guys like Levroneeeee look short and blocky



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[BSN]

Coleman, 1998 and  Haney, 1991

[Pet shop boys]

Both at their prime would have been a great comparison , giving that Haney was taller with a smaller waist and great back too .




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[Dave D]

Stop repeating this nonsense. Haney was 249lbs in 1991 according to him in his book ( as well as the magazines ) And Ronnie was the same in 1998 and he's the same height 5'11" and Ronnie was much leaner at the same weight than Haney ever was , I.E. more muscle and less fat

Both at their prime would have been a great comparison , giving that Haney was taller with a smaller waist and great back too .




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ND are you willing to admit Wiggs was correct with about the heights? Or did Haney get on growth hormone post competitive career?

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND are you willing to admit Wiggs was correct with about the heights? Or did Haney get on growth hormone post competitive career?

Pictures like that don't prove a thing , and Ronnie post retirement obviously lost some height due to surgeries 

[Dave D]

Pictures like that don't prove a thing , and Ronnie post retirement obviously lost some height due to surgeries 

What does this picture prove than?

I was referring to the pic with Ronnie, Lee and Linda. It looks like it's from the late 90s when Lee has size and Ronnie is still in his prime.

Lol the internet is great. Half a dozen pics that show Lee taller than Ronnie, "These pictures mean nothing". "My picture shows the truth." Lol

[Titus Pullo]

I really like Lee, but apart from Ronnie's gyno, his '98 form should beat Lee's best.  Ronnie had superior thighs, comparable chest and back, vastly better arms and, in 1998, he was drier and more detailed.

I'm not saying it'd be a landslide; nonetheless, at that time, Ronnie had things that Lee did not.  

[Earl1972]

lee wouldn't place top 6 at the 98 O

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