Haneys structure is far better than Ronnies, so any old school bodybuilders would support the position if Haney did what Ronnie did, ultimately Haney would have been better than Ronnie, Big Ron has the best genetic response muscle wise we have ever seen, he overcompensated with huge muscle but structuarlly he's close to the worst Mr Olympia, Yates, Haney, Zane, Arnold all had better structures. Gutler is another to get there without structure, but thats why him ronnie and now Phil are all part of the all drugs generation, no one is saying they are not great bodybuilders, but the criteria on how the sport was judged changed to allow for mass monsters with structural short falls to win.