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Socialism = FAILING
« on: August 02, 2018, 06:10:30 AM »

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Re: Socialism = FAILING
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2018, 11:55:52 AM »
Democratic socialist writer levels with voters: We want to ‘end capitalism’
Fox News ^ | 08/02/18 | Adam Shaw
Posted on 8/2/2018, 1:41:39 PM by Simon Green

Well, that escalated quickly.

The rise of “democratic socialism” has been one of the key developments in the Democratic Party in recent years, first with the popularity of Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and more recently Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s primary win over party mainstay Rep. Joe Crowley in New York.

One of the ways the movement is presented is with the claim that this is not your grandfather’s socialism -- or the socialism of the former Soviet Union, Venezuela or other failed states. It’s more “Scandinavian health care” than overthrowing the bourgeoisie.

But now a democratic socialist writer is leveling with voters, telling them that actually, yes, they want to topple capitalism.

"I’m a staff writer at the socialist magazine Jacobin and a member of [the Democratic Socialists of America], and here’s the truth: In the long run, democratic socialists want to end capitalism.

In an article for Vox, Meagan Day, a writer for the socialist magazine Jacobin and a democratic socialist, says the goal is to pursue a “reform agenda today in an effort to revive a politics focused on class hierarchy and inequality in the United States.”

“The eventual goal is to transform the world to promote everyone’s needs rather than to produce massive profits for a small handful of citizens,” she says.

Day goes on to reject the idea that democratic socialism is just a modern form of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s New Deal, as some have suggested.

“But we also want more than FDR did. A robust welfare state in an economy that’s still organized around capitalists’ profits can mitigate the worst inequalities for a while, but it’s at best a temporary truce between bosses and workers — and one that the former will look to scrap as soon as they can,” she argues.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...

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Re: Socialism = FAILING
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2018, 12:11:35 PM »
““The eventual goal is to transform the world to promote everyone’s needs rather than to produce massive profits for a small handful of citizens,” she says.”



They just don’t get it.  Poor people, today, have access to goods and services that weren’t available even to the wealthiest just a few years ago.

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Re: Socialism = FAILING
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2018, 12:14:00 PM »
Scary stuff for Venezuelans.  This must not be allowed to happen in the USA.



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Re: Socialism = FAILING
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2018, 12:16:36 PM »
Socialism is pushed by losers and failures in life. 

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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2018, 12:49:18 PM »
Scary stuff for Venezuelans.  This must not be allowed to happen in the USA.




They have a cognitive dissonance about things like that. They’ll respond with “But look at Sweden.”

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Re: Socialism = FAILING
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2018, 09:19:32 AM »
3 Reasons Why So Many Millennials Love Socialism
Townhall ^ | 08/03/2018 | Michael Brown
Posted on 8/3/2018, 11:56:18 AM by SeekAndFind

It’s true that socialist Bernie Sanders is anything but a millennial. And it’s true that socialism was popular long before any millennials were born. But there’s no doubt that socialism is becoming increasingly popular among young people today. Why?

According to the Daily Caller, “Young people view socialism as more attractive than older people. Of people ages 18-29, 55 percent considered socialism favorably compared to other age groups, according to a 2016 Gallup poll. Only 37 percent of people between the ages 30 and 49 viewed socialism as positive. Twenty-seven percent of people between 50 and 64 years old thought of socialism positively.”

So, millennials, especially younger millennials, have a very favorable view of socialism. But do they – or most of us – even know what it is?

Prof. Jay Richards offers this helpful primer.

“Marx and his disciples claimed that ‘capitalism’ must give way to ‘socialism,’ where private property would be abolished and an all-powerful state would own everything on behalf of the people. That’s what Marx meant by the word socialism, and that’s the main dictionary definition.

“This was only supposed to be a stage, though, not the end of all our strivings. At some point, under socialism, people would lose their silly fondness for property, family, religion, and other evils. A ‘new socialist man’ would emerge and then the state would ‘wither away.’ Everyone would enjoy peace, prosperity, and the brotherhood of man. Marx and his acolytes called that final, stateless paradise ‘communism.’”

And how has that vision worked itself out in history?

Prof. Richards states: “Here’s the point: Those regimes led by mass murderers with their gulags, death camps, man-made famines and killing fields were socialist. That’s not slander. It’s what these countries called themselves. USSR stood for the ‘Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.’

“You gotta break millions of eggs with socialism to make the communist omelet. Socialism, you might say, was the necessary evil to reach the bliss where no state would be necessary.”

Yet the lure of socialism continues, getting stronger in the last few years, especially among American youth. Why?

Here are three simple reasons.

1) Young people want “equality.” The word “equality” has become almost sacred to the younger generation, and in many ways, that’s a good thing. They want a level playing field. They want everyone treated fairly. They want to leave behind our discriminatory, racist past. All that is positive.

Unfortunately, there is often a passion for equality that is not based on realism (or function, as in all the talk about “marriage equality,” where sex differences are blurred).

The fact is that life is not always fair. There are winners and losers. And some people work harder than others, because of which they succeed more.

That success is well-deserved and should be appreciated. But all too often today, success through hard work is scorned.

Question: “Why should you have more than I do?”

Answer: “Because I worked hard for it.”

Response: “But that’s not fair.”

Socialism, then, is the fix!

2) Young people today have a deep sense of entitlement. Conservapedia.com defines the entitlement mentality as “a state of mind in which an individual comes to believe that privileges are instead rights, and that they are to be expected as a matter of course.”

I am owed a free lunch, and it’s got to be a good lunch too. The lunch of my choosing. I deserve it.

As explained by Dr. John Townsend in his book The Entitlement Cure, “Entitlement is the belief that I am exempt from responsibility and I am owed special treatment. Entitlement is: The man who thinks he is above all the rules. The woman who feels mistreated and needs others to make it up to her.”

This dangerous attitude is crippling a whole generation. As expressed by Kate S. Rourke in her article, “You Owe Me: Examining a Generation of Entitlement,” “Children in the most recent generation of adults born between 1982 and 1995, known as ‘Generation Y,’ were raised to believe that it is their right to have everything given to them more than any other previous generation.”

Socialism plays right into this mindset, especially the fuzzy, idealized, quite-unrealistic socialism being put forward today: “We all get our free lunch!”

Unfortunately, that can only happen when the government owns all the lunches. Do young people understand this?

3) Young socialists haven’t done the math. The obvious question is this: “If you’re getting a free lunch – no, if we’re all getting a free lunch – who’s paying for it?”

The immediate, thoughtless answer is: “The government!”

And that leads to the real question: “Who’s paying the government?”

The answer is as painful as it is obvious: “You are!”

As one news commentator suggested, there’s no reason to wait for the government to become socialist. Just start paying more taxes today and do your part. Right!

Do you remember the viral video clip where a young Florida woman, Peggy Joseph, was ecstatic after hearing candidate Barack Obama speak in 2008? She said, “I won’t have to worry about puttin’ gas in my car, I won’t have to worry about payin’ my mortgage.” Obama will take care of it!

Six years later, working as a nurse and the suburban mom of four kids, she was asked by filmmaker Joel Gilbert, “Did Obama pay for your mortgage and did he pay for your gas?”

She laughed and replied, “Absolutely not! Mortgage got worse and gas prices got higher … At that time we needed a change but a change for the better not the worse.”

When I asked my assistant Dylan, himself in his early 30s and a married father of four, why he thought so many young people were into socialism, he answered, “Perhaps because of being so absorbed with social media that they’re used to soundbite answers and haven’t thought it through.”

Or, as Jay Richards stated, “Too many of us are still clueless about socialism and communism. I blame biased media and fuzzy thinking.”

The bottom line is that most young proponents of socialism simply haven’t done the math. Had they done so, they’d start working the capitalist system a little harder. They would find it far more rewarding than socialism.


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Re: Socialism = FAILING
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2018, 04:44:07 AM »

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Re: Socialism = FAILING
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2018, 04:47:50 AM »
My favorite thing is how now they are all calling it "Democratic Socialism" and pretending it makes any difference.

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2018, 09:24:15 AM »
My favorite thing is how now they are all calling it "Democratic Socialism" and pretending it makes any difference.

It might start out democratic, but when the state controls everything there’s no way for an outside party to gain any traction. Socialism works for a little while the same way that quitting your job and living off your credit cards works for a little while.

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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2018, 09:30:47 AM »
It might start out democratic, but when the state controls everything there’s no way for an outside party to gain any traction. Socialism works for a little while the same way that quitting your job and living off your credit cards works for a little while.

Well said.

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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2018, 08:26:51 PM »
If the government owns the means of production then your vote means jack shit.  Socialist A or Socialist B.  No difference.

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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2018, 11:26:16 AM »
They have a cognitive dissonance about things like that. They’ll respond with “But look at Sweden.”



Sweden is like a carcass that the vultures are feeding on. Temporary situation.

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