NFL has begun......

[Earl1972]

Most of these players have had three options. Athletics, Prison or die. The ones that are in chose to play football.

the fact that they view prison or death as two of their options instead of education or working a normal job should be more than enough for you to see they aren't good guys

but hey just focus on not standing for the flag, that's the only deal breaker for you

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People say they don't want the players to display political views.  What they mean is that they don't want them to display political views that aren't their own.  If kneeling is making a political statement then standing is as well.  Also I find it humorous that people have boycotted or say they have the NFL because a small percentage did what they didn't want them to do while the large overwhelming majority did exactly what they wanted them to do.  What kind of statement are the boycotters making to the majority of the players?

[Kwon3]

People say they don't want the players to display political views.  What they mean is that they don't want them to display political views that aren't their own.  If kneeling is making a political statement then standing is as well.  Also I find it humorous that people have boycotted or say they have the NFL because a small percentage did what they didn't want them to do while the large overwhelming majority did exactly what they wanted them to do.  What kind of statement are the boycotters making to the majority of the players?

Honoring your country's flag and anthem is not a political statement. It's a ritual practiced in all 192 countries around the world, though the way they do it varies by country and the degree of populism also varies widely, with the U.S. being far more ceremonial and patriotic-minded than, say, France, where they only really celebrate it once a year rather than at every sporting event.

Breaking tradition and convention by kneeling during the anthem is very much a political statement, one limited to players of African-American descent who perceive that the country treats them unfairly without being able to explain how or to justify the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, including dodging awkward questions about the very real problem of black on black crime (as opposed to the phantasmagorical one of white on black crime).

[stuntmovie]

KWON3, I think you just convinced me to have nothing to do with the NFL.

In other words, I agree with your previous post.

[Kwon3]

KWON3, I think you just convinced me to have nothing to do with the NFL.

In other words, I agree with your previous post.

Awesome.

Now let's find a way to convince 3-4 million other people of that and we can finally put this national nightmare behind us and focus on the real sport that society needs: Air guitar contests.

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Honoring your country's flag and anthem is not a political statement. It's a ritual practiced in all 192 countries around the world, though the way they do it varies by country and the degree of populism also varies widely, with the U.S. being far more ceremonial and patriotic-minded than, say, France, where they only really celebrate it once a year rather than at every sporting event.

Breaking tradition and convention by kneeling during the anthem is very much a political statement, one limited to players of African-American descent who perceive that the country treats them unfairly without being able to explain how or to justify the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, including dodging awkward questions about the very real problem of black on black crime (as opposed to the phantasmagorical one of white on black crime).

You think following sheep is respect?  If anything it is the opposite.  If you want to help our society or military and all you've come up with is standing during the anthem then you weren't trying very hard.  You were willing to do the minimum to make it look like you cared.  I don't stand half of the time for the anthem.  It has nothing to do with social injustice.  Its stupid to ask me to stand while a song is played and cloth is waived.  I'm extremely grateful that our military exists because if those guys weren't putting themselves in harms way it would be me and I like not dodging bullets for a living.  I am also extremely fortunate to be in this great country.  I don't need to show you anything in the way you want me to.  If standing isn't a political statement then why are you so bent out of shape when someone doesn't do it?  Why is only the opposite a political statement?

Did Colin start kneeling because of social injustice?  I don't think so.  I think this half black, raised by white affluent people, player knelt because he wanted to be identified as black.  It has all snowballed and he really can't go back now.  Is it stupid to protest something with no actual plan?  Yes.  Is what the players are saying is a problem with our society really a problem?  No.  Would most of these people who have a problem with black men kneeling have this same problem if the black men were poor?  No.  It is an interesting topic because almost nothing in this is as it seems.  Everyone who is pissed off has created the reason they are pissed off.  My time and mental state are way too precious to be bothered by what some guys who play a game for a living decided to do during the playing of a song. 

[Kwon3]

You think following sheep is respect?

I'd appreciate it if you didn't call everyone in my country who salutes the flag or sings the anthem a sheep. Unless you're on the left, then it makes perfect sense and welcome to our extreme right-wing board, which is nonetheless paradoxically owned by an American Jew. We'll make your stay as uncomfortable as possible while you're with us.

If anything it is the opposite.  If you want to help our society or military and all you've come up with is standing during the anthem then you weren't trying very hard.  You were willing to do the minimum to make it look like you cared.

So what's your suggestion on how to help our society or military? Also, how to get millions of people to do it, since my actions alone are basically a drop in the bucket and have zero impact on anything.

I don't stand half of the time for the anthem.  It has nothing to do with social injustice.

Good for you. My grandfather and two of my uncles died in foreign countries to make sure you have the right to do that.

Its stupid to ask me to stand while a song is played and cloth is waived.

How so? Also, are everyone else doing it idiots, too, or are you onto something new and exciting about saluting your country's symbols and anthem that we aren't familiar with yet.

I'm extremely grateful that our military exists because if those guys weren't putting themselves in harms way it would be me and I like not dodging bullets for a living.  I am also extremely fortunate to be in this great country.  I don't need to show you anything in the way you want me to.  If standing isn't a political statement then why are you so bent out of shape when someone doesn't do it?  Why is only the opposite a political statement?

I don't believe a word of this. You're giving the exact opposite impression with your statements, such as equating people who stand with sheep-following. FYI, a lot of military families would take a lot of offense at what you're saying and doing. It's also pretty illogical for someone who won't salute the flag to say he loves the military that fights to defend it.

Did Colin start kneeling because of social injustice?  I don't think so.  I think this half black, raised by white affluent people, player knelt because he wanted to be identified as black.

And why does he feel the need to be identified as black? I thought all Americans were created equal and we were past racial pigeonholing in our society. Either way, kneeling does nothing for his cause and makes him look like a clown.

It has all snowballed and he really can't go back now.

Sure it can. But as mentioned, it would cost the owners money, and the NFL is only about money, not the fans or the country. They'd move their stadiums to Iran if they got better ratings. Private enterprise doesn't give a shit about the people who buy its products or services.

Is it stupid to protest something with no actual plan?  Yes.  Is what the players are saying is a problem with our society really a problem?  No.

Great. So at least one statement in your post is quite factual and sensible.

Would most of these people who have a problem with black men kneeling have this same problem if the black men were poor?  No.  It is an interesting topic because almost nothing in this is as it seems.  Everyone who is pissed off has created the reason they are pissed off.  My time and mental state are way too precious to be bothered by what some guys who play a game for a living decided to do during the playing of a song.  

We're not laughing at them or condemning them because they're rich. We had no problem with their wealth before they started this ridiculous bullshit 2 years ago. Quite the opposite, white men wore the jerseys and sports apparel of their favorite black players and paid money to see them play live in nosebleed seats. But we draw the line at them trashing the flag our families fought and died for. That's our right, too, because we live in a free country.

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I'd appreciate it if you didn't call everyone in my country who salutes the flag or sings the anthem a sheep.

Mindless drones better?  The nation is full of lazy thinkers.  The left is so quick to say everything Trump is evil and the right so quick to demonize an idiot kid who plays a game for a living.  No one wants to think.  They want everything to be as simple as good and bad and it just isn't.  I've been on this board for 15 years now.  What is it exactly you plan to do with my "stay?"

So what's your suggestion on how to help our society or military? Also, how to get millions of people to do it, since my actions alone are basically a drop in the bucket and have zero impact on anything.

There are programs you can donate to.  You can actually send the troops stuff.  If I was overseas I'd much rather receive a new iPhone than for you to stand at a game for me.  Your actions may have near zero impact but standing during a game has even less.  There are also plenty of programs that can help kids in our society and prevent them from being in a situation to get shot by a cop later on.  Will your contribution be great in the grand scheme of things?  No.  Is kneeling during the anthem contributing even less?  Yes.  In this world how much you can help it is generally very minimal.  That's just the cold hard truth.  I wish it wasn't.  It is much easier to hurt our society and effect a greater amount of people negatively generally. 

Good for you. My grandfather and two of my uncles died in foreign countries to make sure you have the right to do that.

Once again I'm very grateful but standing during an anthem won't bring them back.

Its stupid to ask me to stand while a song is played and cloth is waived.

How so? Also, are everyone else doing it idiots, too, or are you onto something new and exciting about saluting your country's symbols and anthem that we aren't familiar with yet.

Are they all idiots?  No.  Are they idiots if they think they are doing much at all by standing?  Yeah.  The only thing I'm onto is thinking for myself.  I don't go to funerals.  I don't tip.  I don't take off for holidays.  These are things I think others do mindlessly for the most part.  At some age I realized I didn't have to be a sheep.  I realized I was doing what other people wanted instead of what I wanted.  I've got this one life so I've decided to live it for me.  I'm not out to offend people but asking me to take my hat off or to stand is offensive to me.  You are trying to control me because of your beliefs.  You can have your beliefs all you want.  I do not wish to change them but if you want me to adopt yours or to pretend I have then we will have a problem. 

I'm extremely grateful that our military exists because if those guys weren't putting themselves in harms way it would be me and I like not dodging bullets for a living.  I am also extremely fortunate to be in this great country.  I don't need to show you anything in the way you want me to.  If standing isn't a political statement then why are you so bent out of shape when someone doesn't do it?  Why is only the opposite a political statement?

I don't believe a word of this. You're giving the exact opposite impression with your statements, such as equating people who stand with sheep-following. FYI, a lot of military families would take a lot of offense at what you're saying and doing. It's also pretty illogical for someone who won't salute the flag to say he loves the military that fights to defend it.

From what you have read is it so far fetched to believe that I like who I am and my life?  Do you not think I realize that our participation in wars has had the ability to greatly change our quality of life as we know it?  I'm sure a lot of military families would get upset with what I've typed or what I believe just like some black people are upset that confederate monuments stand.  It is not up to you to decide how I should view things or act. The reason you can't understand how someone can be grateful to our military and not stand is because you are a drone.  Your mind cannot comprehend how someone could believe something and not act in the traditional way.  It is illogical to believe that standing for a song will help much of anything besides maybe the prevention of an eventual blood clot.

Did Colin start kneeling because of social injustice?  I don't think so.  I think this half black, raised by white affluent people, player knelt because he wanted to be identified as black.

And why does he feel the need to be identified as black? I thought all Americans were created equal and we were past racial pigeonholing in our society. Either way, kneeling does nothing for his cause and makes him look like a clown.

We live in a victim society.  We also live in a group society.  People want to be part of a group and if that group is victimized then even better.  Racism is alive and well in our society.  Our society has created this by creating racial classifications.  It also isn't a big factor in anyone's success or failure.  He does look like an idiot kid as do his near mindless followers.  He's no demon.  He's a kid that got in over his head with something and has in many ways fucked his life up.

It has all snowballed and he really can't go back now.

Sure it can. But as mentioned, it would cost the owners money, and the NFL is only about money, not the fans or the country. They'd move their stadiums to Iran if they got better ratings. Private enterprise doesn't give a shit about the people who buy its products or services.

I was referring to Colin.  He doesn't feel like he can come out now and say I just wanted to be black people.  He feels he'd look like an imposter even more so than he started.

We're not laughing at them or condemning them because they're rich. We had no problem with their wealth before they started this ridiculous bullshit 2 years ago. Quite the opposite, white men wore the jerseys and sports apparel of their favorite black players and paid money to see them play live in nosebleed seats. But we draw the line at them trashing the flag our families fought and died for. That's our right, too, because we live in a free country.

I'm not sure what area you live but people I've known have always had a problem with how much athletes make.  They have scrutinized everything they possibly could in an attempt to explain how these people are not worthy of their money or how those scrutinizing are less inferior than it would appear. 

[Kwon3]

Mindless drones better?  The nation is full of lazy thinkers.  The left is so quick to say everything Trump is evil and the right so quick to demonize an idiot kid who plays a game for a living.  No one wants to think.  They want everything to be as simple as good and bad and it just isn't.  I've been on this board for 15 years now.  What is it exactly you plan to do with my "stay?"

Yeah, no one wants to think. We're all lazy. Man, that's deep. I could swear I heard that before, but where? Hmm. Oh, yeah, every college campus I've been to. Get some new material and the 2000s called - they want their free-thinking MDMA enthusiast with a scrubby beard walking the bright fields while pondering the meaning of life (in the Big Ro edition, with extra mustache) back.

There are programs you can donate to.  You can actually send the troops stuff.  If I was overseas I'd much rather receive a new iPhone than for you to stand at a game for me.  Your actions may have near zero impact but standing during a game has even less.  There are also plenty of programs that can help kids in our society and prevent them from being in a situation to get shot by a cop later on.  Will your contribution be great in the grand scheme of things?  No.  Is kneeling during the anthem contributing even less?  Yes.  In this world how much you can help it is generally very minimal.  That's just the cold hard truth.  I wish it wasn't.  It is much easier to hurt our society and effect a greater amount of people negatively generally.  

Name a few, for the benefit of those who (unlike me) may not be aware of them or want to help but don't know where to go. Again, you're assuming I don't know about those programs or contribute to them. Much of what I'm asking you isn't for me, but for the benefit of others reading this idiotic conversation about nothing.

Once again I'm very grateful but standing during an anthem won't bring them back.

It won't? Well, that totally contradicts the refund policy on the back of this funeral ticket with my relative's name on it.

Are they all idiots?  No.  Are they idiots if they think they are doing much at all by standing?  Yeah.  The only thing I'm onto is thinking for myself.  I don't go to funerals.  I don't tip.  I don't take off for holidays.  These are things I think others do mindlessly for the most part. At some age I realized I didn't have to be a sheep.  I realized I was doing what other people wanted instead of what I wanted.  I've got this one life so I've decided to live it for me.  I'm not out to offend people but asking me to take my hat off or to stand is offensive to me.  You are trying to control me because of your beliefs.  You can have your beliefs all you want.  I do not wish to change them but if you want me to adopt yours or to pretend I have then we will have a problem.

From what you have read is it so far fetched to believe that I like who I am and my life?  Do you not think I realize that our participation in wars has had the ability to greatly change our quality of life as we know it?  I'm sure a lot of military families would get upset with what I've typed or what I believe just like some black people are upset that confederate monuments stand.  It is not up to you to decide how I should view things or act. The reason you can't understand how someone can be grateful to our military and not stand is because you are a drone.  Your mind cannot comprehend how someone could believe something and not act in the traditional way.  It is illogical to believe that standing for a song will help much of anything besides maybe the prevention of an eventual blood clot.

Oh my god, now with blood clots thrown in as an added cop out. Oh brother.

We live in a victim society.  We also live in a group society.  People want to be part of a group and if that group is victimized then even better.  Racism is alive and well in our society.  Our society has created this by creating racial classifications.  It also isn't a big factor in anyone's success or failure.  He does look like an idiot kid as do his near mindless followers.  He's no demon.  He's a kid that got in over his head with something and has in many ways fucked his life up.

And what university did you graduate with a Master of Sociology degree from again? Or did you just kind of pick this up looking at people displaying all ranges of human emotions at a local Starbucks from yelling to laughing to giggling to crying to snoring - because you spend your entire day there sipping on the same cup of coffee.

I was referring to Colin.  He doesn't feel like he can come out now and say I just wanted to be black people.  He feels he'd look like an imposter even more so than he started.

Yeah, I don't think anyone cares.

I'm not sure what area you live but people I've known have always had a problem with how much athletes make.  They have scrutinized everything they possibly could in an attempt to explain how these people are not worthy of their money or how those scrutinizing are less inferior than it would appear.  

Right. But they also have a lot to say against taxes, but they pay them.

Point is, once you're brainwashed into loving your team, you're never giving it up unless something pisses you off so much you say fuck it and call your satellite provider to cut off ESPN. In my best Dan Conner in his 1991 plaid shirt & jeans best on Roseanne.

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Yeah, no one wants to think. We're all lazy. Man, that's deep. I could swear I heard that before, but where? Hmm. Oh, yeah, every college campus I've been to. Get some new material and the 2000s called - they want their free-thinking MDMA enthusiast with a scrubby beard walking the bright fields while pondering the meaning of life (in the Big Ro edition, with extra mustache) back.

Start thinking and then I'll be forced to come up with something else.  Until then you've only proved my point.

Name a few, for the benefit of those who (unlike me) may not be aware of them or want to help but don't know where to go. Again, you're assuming I don't know about those programs or contribute to them. Much of what I'm asking you isn't for me, but for the benefit of others reading this idiotic conversation about nothing.

You can google them as easily as I can.  You were the one complaining about not being able to help much. 

Oh my god, now with blood clots thrown in as an added cop out. Oh brother.

Cop out?  I was going one logical reason to stand.  One thing you've yet to do.

And what university did you graduate with a Master of Sociology degree from again? Or did you just kind of pick this up looking at people displaying all ranges of human emotions at a local Starbucks from yelling to laughing to giggling to crying to snoring - because you spend your entire day there sipping on the same cup of coffee.

I graduated from Texas A&M with degrees in Kinesiology and Nutrition.  I've gone to Starbucks maybe 3 times in my life.  I don't drink coffee.  I know that goes against the norm.

Yeah, I don't think anyone cares.

Well if they don't care, I'd love to see how they react when they do.

Point is, once you're brainwashed into loving your team, you're never giving it up unless something pisses you off so much you say fuck it and call your satellite provider to cut off ESPN. In my best Dan Conner in his 1991 plaid shirt & jeans best on Roseanne.

It pisses you off that 100% of the NFL doesn't do exactly as you wish?  What a way to live.  These people who say they are boycotting the NFL are fringe fans.  They probably weren't going to watch anyway.  People don't think and they certainly don't sacrifice much for their beliefs.  Few would give up something they truly loved because of a misunderstanding about a misunderstanding about social injustice.

[Kwon3]

Start thinking and then I'll be forced to come up with something else.  Until then you've only proved my point.

We're all still waiting for you to make your first point, because so far I'm getting this out-of-body experience where I'm transported back to a courtroom on a movie set in 1992 and suddenly I'm Joe Pesci at the defense table in My Cousin Vinny, elbowed into waking up after a sleepless night by my younger cousin to make a rebuttal to the prosecution and all I can say is

everything you just said is
bullshit

You can google them as easily as I can.  You were the one complaining about not being able to help much.

 

I realize the phony-sounding resume you rattled off about Texas A&M is technically 2 statements away from being quoting rather than in this one, let me just correct you on that second comment. What I asked was your suggestions for helping people, for those who don't know. That's called curiosity, which you're conflating with complaining. It definitely suggests you didn't attend or finish college to mix those two up.

To address the first comment: That kind of "I'm too lazy to Google it" sounds an awful lot like Mobil being too lazy to use the search function on this site to search a couple of words a week ago. So now at least we know who your main account is, given how recently this one started posting here suddenly.

Cop out?  I was going one logical reason to stand.  One thing you've yet to do.

Yeah, it's a cop out to use that as a reason to stand. Either stand because you want to respect this country or don't. No idea what the second comment refers to, so I'm assuming your hand slipped and you forgot what your real thought was so you replaced the garbled random keystrokes from your slip with a random thought that doesn't connect to the first part of the comment.

I graduated from Texas A&M with degrees in Kinesiology and Nutrition.  I've gone to Starbucks maybe 3 times in my life.  I don't drink coffee.  I know that goes against the norm.

Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it. If so, great, you spent four years studying how to straighten tendons and overcharge people's insurance carriers for massages sans happy endings.

Well if they don't care, I'd love to see how they react when they do.

You won't see any reactions when you're a hashtag pussy social justice warrior who fights his battles on social media and legacy message boards.

It pisses you off that 100% of the NFL doesn't do exactly as you wish? What a way to live.

No, that's your weirdo half-assed reading of what I said. Which is more of a dearth vibe than a Mobil one. Or it could all be danimal77, too, since he loves to argue about semantics and pull you into that sewer drain he calls his brain.

These people who say they are boycotting the NFL are fringe fans.  They probably weren't going to watch anyway.  People don't think and they certainly don't sacrifice much for their beliefs.  Few would give up something they truly loved because of a misunderstanding about a misunderstanding about social injustice.

Yeah, I'll believe that when you post a video of you with a clipboard talking to a few hundred fans at the entrances and exits of a stadium. Until then, you're another faceless scrub hiding on a gimmick on getbig.

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We're all still waiting for you to make your first point, because so far I'm getting this out-of-body experience where I'm transported back to a courtroom on a movie set in 1992 and suddenly I'm Joe Pesci at the defense table in My Cousin Vinny, elbowed into waking up after a sleepless night by my younger cousin to make a rebuttal to the prosecution and all I can say is

everything you just said is
bullshit

Can you truly not understand any point I've made or are you just pretending not to be able to?  I think we both know you standing for a song is about as close to useless as you can get.  It is a tradition you like to do because you think it means you are respectful.  It is a symbol of something  but not actually anything.  It is like going to a funeral.  People say it is to show their respects.  Are you fucking kidding me?  You've waited until I died to come see me?  How's that respectful?  The time was any day I was alive.  After, at least to me, is useless.

I realize the phony-sounding resume you rattled off about Texas A&M is technically 2 statements away from being quoting rather than in this one, let me just correct you on that second comment. What I asked was your suggestions for helping people, for those who don't know. That's called curiosity, which you're conflating with complaining. It definitely suggests you didn't attend or finish college to mix those two up.

You can assume I didn't finish college but the degrees on the wall in my office would prove otherwise.  Why are you finding it increasingly difficult to stick with the topic?  Once again you are making assumptions because things don't fit into holes you are used to.  You'll continue to be lost if you know how everyone should act or think.  Let's assume that I'm wrong and you can't donate your time and effort to different groups that aid in helping inner city youth or the military, then standing or kneeling for the anthem still doesn't actually do anything for either.

Yeah, it's a cop out to use that as a reason to stand. Either stand because you want to respect this country or don't.

During a flight I move around.  I get up as often as I can to make sure I don't get a clot.  I don't fit well in seats.  After a while I can't wait to stand up.  This is a reason to stand.  This is a way to benefit a person by standing.  I know that must be a novel concept in a world where people only stand to make it look like they are respectful.

Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it. If so, great, you spent four years studying how to straighten tendons and overcharge people's insurance carriers for massages sans happy endings.

So you don't really understand what kinesiology or nutrition is?  Cool.  You could have just typed that.

You won't see any reactions when you're a hashtag pussy social justice warrior who fights his battles on social media and legacy message boards.

I'm not even sure who you're addressing here but all you have to do is interact with people to find out how they feel about this subject.  Hell the reason you posted anything in the first place was because your panties were in a  wad.  

No, that's your weirdo half-assed reading of what I said. Which is more of a dearth vibe than a Mobil one. Or it could all be danimal77, too, since he loves to argue about semantics and pull you into that sewer drain he calls his brain.

Once again you are avoiding the question and finding it increasingly difficult to stay on task.  You idiots who are protesting all of the NFL players are protesting against most of the players who are doing exactly as you wish they would in an attempt punish those few you've chosen to be offended by

Yeah, I'll believe that when you post a video of you with a clipboard talking to a few hundred fans at the entrances and exits of a stadium. Until then, you're another faceless scrub hiding on a gimmick on getbig.

You don't have to take my word for it.  Look at the prices of tickets and the income of the players.  Notice this huge drop in both?  Oh

[Disco187]

Are you going to wear a big foam finger while watching football.

Hahahahahah,


I’m not going to b.s but the whole not standing thing Is not cool

[Desolate]

Like I've said before...

If they couldn't play football, 99% of them would be in prison for one crime or another.

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Like I've said before...

If they couldn't play football, 99% of them would be in prison for one crime or another.

Does this matter?

[stuntmovie]

I have officially made my fist anti-NFL statement which is rare because I am never anti anything.

I went down to the temporary Raider's "sho'/"headquaters"  ay Town Square here in Las Vegas and asked, "What the hell will the Raiders do about this standing/kneeling situation"?

But I could not get through the front door due to some minor meeting going on inside but the valet guys and one valet girl (no male cheerleaders)  heard me loud and clear and nodded their heads in some sort of agreement.

I think that was for season ticket holders so there was probably no person of importance inside .... but I will return to ask again.

Having been in the military for a good number of years, this kneeling stuff bothers me somewhat.

This whole situation is something like the nuts taking over the nut-house and the NFL cannot control it.

[Kwon3]

Can you truly not understand any point I've made or are you just pretending not to be able to?

yeah, exactly.

I think we both know you standing for a song is about as close to useless as you can get.  It is a tradition you like to do because you think it means you are respectful.  It is a symbol of something  but not actually anything.  It is like going to a funeral.  People say it is to show their respects.  Are you fucking kidding me?  You've waited until I died to come see me?  How's that respectful?  The time was any day I was alive.  After, at least to me, is useless.

Tradition is also why close to 7 billion people pray every day. Are they all crazy, too?

You can assume I didn't finish college but the degrees on the wall in my office would prove otherwise.

Vince G has his diplomas on the wall of his office, too. He shares it openly. Can we see yours?

Why are you finding it increasingly difficult to stick with the topic?

There isn't much to say about the topic, we're on page 4. Some of us get bored using the same talking points and try to diversify our conversations here to keep them interesting and active. I'll show you how to do it when you wake up and log on.

Once again you are making assumptions because things don't fit into holes you are used to.  You'll continue to be lost if you know how everyone should act or think.  Let's assume that I'm wrong and you can't donate your time and effort to different groups that aid in helping inner city youth or the military, then standing or kneeling for the anthem still doesn't actually do anything for either.

There's probably like 60% of the country on my side with this issue, and then there' the radical left, which you clearly belong to. I'm good with this deal.

During a flight I move around.  I get up as often as I can to make sure I don't get a clot.  I don't fit well in seats.  After a while I can't wait to stand up.  This is a reason to stand.  This is a way to benefit a person by standing.  I know that must be a novel concept in a world where people only stand to make it look like they are respectful.

I don't get up at all during flights and I'm fine, so I guess my genetics just don't require getting up to avoid my blood vessels blocking up like yours do. That sucks, man. Maybe consult a cardiologist?

So you don't really understand what kinesiology or nutrition is?  Cool.  You could have just typed that.

I don't know anyone in your field making six figures, so my interest in it is pretty much nonexistent. Same as I don't know what a garbage man does once he returns his trash to the sorting plant or how a receptionist switches calls while on a headset.

I'm not even sure who you're addressing here but all you have to do is interact with people to find out how they feel about this subject.  Hell the reason you posted anything in the first place was because your panties were in a  wad.

 

So you're not going to go to a stadium and ask people how they actually feel about these protests by the black players. Didn't think so.

Once again you are avoiding the question and finding it increasingly difficult to stay on task.

That sounds a lot like what a college professor would say. Are you sure you're not underselling yourself with that degree you mention? I think you occupy a much higher station in life than just kinesiology.

You idiots who are protesting all of the NFL players are protesting against most of the players who are doing exactly as you wish they would in an attempt punish those few you've chosen to be offended by

There we go. That's what I was waiting for - the attack on anyone who doesn't agree with you or likes tradition. Yeah, you're far left.

You don't have to take my word for it.

No worries, I don't intend to.  

Look at the prices of tickets and the income of the players.  Notice this huge drop in both?  Oh

Not sure what this is implying but how's the weather over there? We're mixed clouds today, no sun.

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Tradition is also why close to 7 billion people pray every day. Are they all crazy, too?

Is it logical to believe asking someone who doesn't exist to change my life?  I guess it doesn't mean they are 100% crazy but that aspect of them is

Vince G has his diplomas on the wall of his office, too. He shares it openly. Can we see yours?

I have no real desire to take pictures of my diplomas and send them to you.  Would make one of the many points I've made less or more valid?

There isn't much to say about the topic, we're on page 4. Some of us get bored using the same talking points and try to diversify our conversations here to keep them interesting and active. I'll show you how to do it when you wake up and log on.

All of your points have been shot down and mine have pretty much been avoided.  It would seem you want to change the topic for a different reason.

There's probably like 60% of the country on my side with this issue, and then there' the radical left, which you clearly belong to. I'm good with this deal.

There are roughly 134,000 mensa members.  It is ok to not be in the majority.  It says nothing about accuracy.  It is obvious you want to side with the masses if for no other reason than to side for the masses.  I look for truth.  I know that's weird but that's what I do.

I don't get up at all during flights and I'm fine, so I guess my genetics just don't require getting up to avoid my blood vessels blocking up like yours do. That sucks, man. Maybe consult a cardiologist?

You mean you don't have genetics of a national level bodybuilder or Serena Williams?  Shocking.  I understand the human body.  Do some research if you don't believe me.

I don't know anyone in your field making six figures, so my interest in it is pretty much nonexistent. Same as I don't know what a garbage man does once he returns his trash to the sorting plant or how a receptionist switches calls while on a headset.

When you tear your rotator cuff, rupture a disk or are diagnosed with type 2 diabetes you'll meet someone that has one of my degrees.  They will explain to you what you don't know.

So you're not going to go to a stadium and ask people how they actually feel about these protests by the black players. Didn't think so.

I don't need to go to a stadium and ask people how they feel.  They said how they felt when they paid to get in the stadium.

That sounds a lot like what a college professor would say. Are you sure you're not underselling yourself with that degree you mention? I think you occupy a much higher station in life than just kinesiology.

I didn't get the degrees to sell myself.  I got them to learn more about the human body to help me with my own endeavors.  It just so happened I could parlay them into money and help for others.  There are brilliant people and idiots in all walks of life.  I'd be a fool to discount people due to the profession or degree they chose.  I'd also be an idiot to hold someone in high esteem based only on the degree or profession he chose.



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You idiots who are protesting all of the NFL players are protesting against most of the players who are doing exactly as you wish they would in an attempt punish those few you've chosen to be offended by

There we go. That's what I was waiting for - the attack on anyone who doesn't agree with you or likes tradition. Yeah, you're far left.

Where is the attack?  I have no anger placed on people who stand or kneel.  What message are you sending to the guys who are doing exactly what you want?  What are you telling the J.J. Watt's of the world?  He needs to retire?  Is there something more he could do to please you?  I realize Marshawn Lynch upsets you but your stance against him is also a stance against J.J.  I will not prevent you from being an idiot nor could I probably.  If you want to stand, if you want to pray, if you want to never go to another game that's your deal but you are the one who is saying he's protesting because he doesn't like what a few do.  I said they are all idiots but will continue to watch.  I'm not offended by either stance.  It is their bodies and their lives to do with what they choose.  It seems odd that I would have a problem with their body positioning during a song.  If that was the case just how great must everything be in my life to worry about something so trivial?

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Look at the prices of tickets and the income of the players.  Notice this huge drop in both?  Oh

Not sure what this is implying but how's the weather over there? We're mixed clouds today, no sun.

You're not sure how the league is financially doing disproves your theory that the masses are done with the sport?  Where do you think this money is coming from?  People vote with their dollars and their votes are displayed in the huge amount of money in the sport.  If you need me to explain any more just let me know.

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I have no real desire to take pictures of my diplomas and send them to you.

I don't need to go to a stadium and ask people how they feel.  They said how they felt when they paid to get in the stadium.

I didn't get the degrees to sell myself.  I got them to learn more about the human body to help me with my own endeavors.

Where is the attack?  I have no anger placed on people who stand or kneel.  What message are you sending to the guys who are doing exactly what you want?  What are you telling the J.J. Watt's of the world?  He needs to retire?  Is there something more he could do to please you?  I realize Marshawn Lynch upsets you but your stance against him is also a stance against J.J.  I will not prevent you from being an idiot nor could I probably.  If you want to stand, if you want to pray, if you want to never go to another game that's your deal but you are the one who is saying he's protesting because he doesn't like what a few do.  I said they are all idiots but will continue to watch.  I'm not offended by either stance.  It is their bodies and their lives to do with what they choose.  It seems odd that I would have a problem with their body positioning during a song.  If that was the case just how great must everything be in my life to worry about something so trivial?

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So 1st you angered by what other people do that isn't effecting you in any way and now you've come to the point where you no longer see why you should care.  My job here is done

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So 1st you angered by what other people do that isn't effecting you in any way and now you've come to the point where you no longer see why you should care.  My job here is done

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I think most who choose to ignore it, just dont like whiny/spoiled/thug kuntzz. And were probably never huge fans to begin with.
Makes it easy to ignore again.

I dont see the NHL (and other leagues I guess, I only pay attention to NHL) doing this gay stuff. White and brought up right.

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I dont see the NHL (and other leagues I guess, I only pay attention to NHL) doing this gay stuff. White and brought up right.

They assault each other outside of the game and people act like it is just part of the game.  Fight in the NBA, NFL or MLB and you get way greater suspensions and fines.  If this is the result of people being brought up right then there is no hope for civilization.