Which is More Important For Losing Weight, Diet, or Exercise?

[Kwon3]

It takes over an hour of running to burn 1000 cal which is about a pint of Ben & Jerry’s that I can knock off in less than 10 minutes.

That's real running, as in, 80-95% of your VO2 max, not jogging, not speed walking, not strolling, and not flat surfaces the entire way.

Know a lot of people who do that? Yeah, me neither.

[Al Doggity]

A BMI of 30 or greater is clinical obesity. Granted, that’s not designed for bodybuilders or pro sportsmen but it’s what doctors in the US use to establish baseline risk factors.

Which doesn't change what the other poster was saying. There's a difference between clinical and morbid obesity, and you don't really see people in the latter group living into their 70s and 80s. And the simple fact of the matter is that the further up the clinical scale someone goes, the more likely they are to exhibit the risk factors you talked about.

[Kwon3]

Which doesn't change what the other poster was saying. There's a difference between clinical and morbid obesity, and you don't really see people in the latter group living into their 70s and 80s. And the simple fact of the matter is that the further up the clinical scale someone goes, the more likely they are to exhibit the risk factors you talked about.

No, it definitely does change what he said because he never said anything about morbid obesity and implied old people who are obese don't really exist. Both of which are untrue. Also, the heavier you are, doesn't make your life any shorter. It's far from a direct correlation given how many factors go into dying early: genetics, drug/alcohol abuse, smoking, stress, sleep.

[IroNat]

Carrying excessive bodyweight, even if it's muscle, lowers your life expectancy.

[Desolate]

Diet without exercise could cause one to lose lean tissue.

If you are going to diet (i.e. lower your overall calories), then replace some of your carbohydrate calories with more protein.

[Kwon3]

Carrying excessive bodyweight, even if it's muscle, lowers your life expectancy.

Not in a perfect curve. Plenty of thin/skinny/normal people die ahead of schedule, too. You could make the case that heavier people on average live less, but that's still very much on a case-by-case basis and requires taking other factors into account. With modern pharmaceuticals, even people who should've died 20 years ago are still alive (unfortunately).

[Al Doggity]

No, it definitely does change what he said because he never said anything about morbid obesity and implied old people who are obese don't really exist. Both of which are untrue. Also, the heavier you are, doesn't make your life any shorter. It's far from a direct correlation given how many factors go into dying early: genetics, drug/alcohol abuse, smoking, stress, sleep.

Not really, because he was replying to you who claimed that weight is irrelevant in regards to lifespan (which is not true) and he specifically said 300 lbs in his post.  

[Kwon3]

Not really, because he was replying to you who claimed that weight is irrelevant in regards to long life (which is not true) and he specifically said 300 lbs in his post.  

I never said weight is irrelevant, I said losing weight is irrelevant. You're twisting what I said because you don't have a case here.

300lbs, so what? Is that obese to a 6'8" man, too? What about a football player who's mostly muscle?

You're not making a very strong argument when your entire premise is based on false statements.

[Al Doggity]

I never said weight is irrelevant, I said losing weight is irrelevant. You're twisting what I said because you don't have a case here.

300lbs, so what? Is that obese to a 6'8" man, too? What about a football player who's mostly muscle?

You're not making a very strong argument when your entire premise is based on false statements.

LOL more of your psychotic backpedaling.   Obviously 300 lbs was shorthand for morbid obesity. And in your followup post you said you knew several 300lb 70 year olds. But sure, I' m twisting your words. 

That's not true at all.  Most of the obese die young. When was the last time you saw a three hundred pound 80 year old.  

I know several and have seen many who were 70+.

[Kwon3]

LOL more of your psychotic backpedaling.   Obviously 300 lbs was shorthand for morbid obesity. And in your followup post you said you knew several 300lb 70 year olds. But sure, I' m twisting your words.  

Where's the backpedaling? You quoted back something I wrote that's true - there's plenty of obese people over 80. Do you live under a rock or something? You misquoted me, I pointed that out, and now you've dropped that angle and melted into ad hominems like liberals do when cornered.

You're not making a case here. Nothing you've said disproves what I said. There's nothing about 300 being shorthand for morbid obesity without more information about the person of that alleged size. What are you, 12?

[Al Doggity]

Where's the backpedaling? You quoted back something I wrote that's true - there's plenty of obese people over 80. Do you live under a rock or something? You misquoted me, I pointed that out, and now you've dropped that angle and melted into ad hominems like liberals do when cornered.

You're not making a case here. Nothing you've said disproves what I said. There's nothing about 300 being shorthand for morbid obesity without more information about the person of that alleged size. What are you, 12?

Seek help.

[Kwon3]

Seek help.

I'm set.

Learn to read, discuss like a normal adult if you want anyone to take you seriously. Protip.

[Al Doggity]

I'm set.

Learn to read, discuss like a normal adult if you want anyone to take you seriously. Protip.

Normal adult as in 6 '8", 300 lbs?    You should probably clarify what you mean by "normal"  since you seem to have a little trouble with the concept.

[IRON CROSS]

Hard to do in a country where a full meal at any fast foot outlet is like $5 and they're on every street corner. America is the hardest country in the world to stick to a diet in. I'm shocked at how disciplined BBers are...oh wait, they're not. They eat whatever they want then take industrial-strength fat burners plus 20 minutes of cardio and a train load of drugs to diet down, then put it all back after the show. 

U should visit Thailand , far more eating places & choices than in the States,Canada or Australia , + much cheaper & super tasty food.

No need to tip & allways smiling employees .............

[Kwon3]

Normal adult as in 6 '8", 300 lbs?    You should probably clarify what you mean by "normal"  since you seem to have a little trouble with the concept.

I didn't say a normal adult was 6'8". Where did you get that?

I don't have trouble with anything. You have trouble with the truth, like all Democrats do.

[Kwon3]

U should visit Thailand , far more eating places & choices than in the States,Canada or Australia , + much cheaper & super tasty food.

No need to tip & allways smiling employees .............

I don't tip much anyway, unless the service is exceptional. Not a fan of Thai food or culture, either. But saying any food is tastier than American food is kind of like saying apple juice tastes better than urine. It goes without saying. You can only eat so many hot dogs or grilled chicken wings before you want souvlaki or shawarma, or a nice Italian dish.

[Al Doggity]

I didn't say a normal adult was 6'8". Where did you get that?

I don't have trouble with anything. You have trouble with the truth, like all Democrats do.

Nah. You're just a moron.

[Kwon3]

Nah. You're just a moron.

So you're all done here. I thought so 3 posts ago as well.

[Al Doggity]

So you're all done here. I thought so 3 posts ago as well.

You are a moron, though.

If someone is talking about obesity and  mentions weight but no height, what are the chances that the example is supposed to be extraordinarily tall?  Because they're trying to undermine their point?Ya see how it wouldn't make sense? You have a lot of trouble grasping simple points.  Are the multiple 300 lb 80 year olds you know 6'8"? 

So, yeah, this is over, dum-dum.

[Kwon3]

You are a moron, though.

If someone is talking about obesity and  mentions weight but no height, what are the chances that the example is supposed to be extraordinarily tall?  Because they're trying to undermine their point?  Ya see how it wouldn't make sense? You have a lot of trouble grasping simple points.

So, yeah, this is over, dum-dum.

I guess you've never worked in the healthcare field, been a personal trainer, reviewed a medical chart, or taken a statistics course. It's alright, the world needs more average people who don't think, because we didn't have enough already. The frustrated parting shots camouflaged as righteous indignation and schoolyard insults were a nice coup de grâce, too.

[Al Doggity]

I guess you've never worked in the healthcare field, been a personal trainer, reviewed a medical chart, or taken a statistics course. It's alright, the world needs more average people who don't think, because we didn't have enough already. The frustrated parting shots camouflaged as righteous indignation and schoolyard insults were a nice coup de grâce, too.

They weren't camouflaged as anything. I flat out called you a liar and a moron.   BTW,congrats on the poor attempt at being dismissively nonchalant when you weren't able to keep your argument consistent over the course of a two page thread

[tres_taco_combo]

and keto is your answer to looose weight the most efficient way

keto is king -

[Kwon3]

They weren't camouflaged as anything. I flat out called you a liar and a moron.   BTW,congrats on the poor attempt at being dismissively nonchalant when you weren't able to keep your argument consistent over the course of a two page thread

But you didn't prove anything you said, which by definition makes you a failure, or someone who can't form a credible case against someone. That you got upset and called me names at the end only underscores that you didn't reach the objectives you set out to achieve, namely proving me wrong in any way. You are an ace at misquotations and straw men, though (not the poster).

[tres_taco_combo]

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[Al Doggity]

But you didn't prove anything you said, which by definition makes you a failure, or someone who can't form a credible case against someone. That you got upset and called me names at the end only underscores that you didn't reach the objectives you set out to achieve, namely proving me wrong in any way. You are an ace at misquotations and straw men, though (not the poster).

Ok. So, let's start at step one to see how wrong I am. When the  other poster brought up 300 lb 80-year olds, you  believe that he was likely talking about 6'8" 80 year olds? Since he didn't mention a height in his very brief post, do you think it was more likely or less likely that he was talking about average height people? For a normal adult, is it impossible to tell from the context of his post?