Which is More Important For Losing Weight, Diet, or Exercise?

[Al Doggity]

I don't think anything you wrote there is true, as it's consistently absent of any corroboration or substantiation that isn't opinion- or perception-based. In other words, you haven't brought anything new, original, or factual to the table. You're basically in an echo chamber, agreeing with your own posts and glad-handing your gimmick friend Stan who's unfortunately averse to posting on his real account, as is the norm on here.

Yeah, well, you've claimed quoting your own posts is twisting your words, so you'll have to understand if I take this with a grain of salt.

[Kwon3]

Yeah, well, you've claimed quoting your own posts is twisting your words, so you'll have to understand if I take this with a grain of salt.

No, Al, I didn't claim that, either. I claimed you don't know how to read because you misquote me, which you often do when things don't go your way. I think you'd be a lot more successful and convincing if you'd just stick to the facts, rather than writing your own. The childish name-calling doesn't really help your case, either.

[oldtimer1]

I believe intense exercise burns calories for way past the activity duration. Call it a hyped metabolism but I lose weight doing intense cardio. If you take a guy who never runs and have him run hard for 5 miles a day he will lose weight  at a faster rate than what the calorie count is for the 5 mile run. The old rule of thought was a pound of fat is 3500 calories. I don't know if that holds true today.  I just know from prior experience when I was younger I could lose fat and not alter diet at a fast rate through hard cardio. Now I drink too much beer and at my age I can't reproduce what I did at a younger age. Having said that I'm not saying diet is not important.

[Al Doggity]

No, Al, I didn't claim that, either. I claimed you don't know how to read because you misquote me, which you often do when things don't go your way. I think you'd be a lot more successful and convincing if you'd just stick to the facts, rather than writing your own. The childish name-calling doesn't really help your case, either.

Yes, the childish name-calling, which you don't do, except when you do do it,because then you have a good reason. And sticking to the facts, which you don't want to address because you're too busy to address facts even though you've posted in this thread  about a dozen times refusing to address them. And the misquotes, which are direct quotes from you that I've asked you to clarify if I'm actually misquoting, but that's beneath you. 

[Kwon3]

Yes, the childish name-calling, which you don't do, except when you do do it,because then you have a good reason. And sticking to the facts, which you don't want to address because you're too busy to address facts even though you've posted in this thread  about a dozen times refusing to address them. And the misquotes, which are direct quotes from you that I've asked you to clarify if I'm actually misquoting, but that's beneath you. 

See, now you get it. Why do you have to be so dogged, doggity al? There's always an easy and a hard way of doing things. It took four pages but I think we're finally getting somewhere.

[Al Doggity]

If you take a guy who never runs and have him run hard for 5 miles a day he will lose weight in at a faster rate than what the calorie count is for the 5 mile run.

That's actually one of the points made in the video. Activity is only a small portion of the calories you burn and even when you increase your activity, your body regulates your metabolism. If the runner is not on a calorie restricted diet, then his appetite will likely increase significantly.

[Al Doggity]

See, now you get it. Why do you have to be so dogged, doggity al? There's always an easy and a hard way of doing things. It took four pages but I think we're finally getting somewhere.

  I said it pages ago, though. You're a liar and a moron.

[Kwon3]

That's actually one of the points made in the video. Activity is only a small portion of the calories you burn and even when you increase your activity, your body regulates your metabolism. If the runner is not on a calorie restricted diet, then his appetite will likely increase significantly.

See? That's a good point you made. You mentioned BMR, activity level, the relationship between calorie deprivation and a corresponding increase in hunger, and how exercise in general isn't the only factor in weight loss. No insults, childish name-calling, misquotations, references to unrelated threads from weeks earlier, obsessive clinging to discredited statements, or personal invective anywhere. Now, had you done that on page 1, we could've had a nice conversation. But, as usual, you prefer the confrontational approach, as it suits your agenda when replying to me. Proof you're only insane when you want to be.

[Kwon3]

I said it pages ago, though. You're a liar and a moron.

Yeah, I saw. It wasn't true then, either. I guess you're not familiar with sarcasm.

[Al Doggity]

Yeah, I saw. It wasn't true then, either. I guess you're not familiar with sarcasm.

Which would at least be minimally clever if it wasn't a follow up to you not recognizing sarcasm. 

[Al Doggity]

See? That's a good point you made. You mentioned BMR, activity level, the relationship between calorie deprivation and a corresponding increase in hunger, and how exercise in general isn't the only factor in weight loss. No insults, childish name-calling, misquotations, references to unrelated threads from weeks earlier, obsessive clinging to discredited statements, or personal invective anywhere. Now, had you done that on page 1, we could've had a nice conversation. But, as usual, you prefer the confrontational approach, as it suits your agenda when replying to me. Proof you're only insane when you want to be.

All of my points have been good. Yours are the ones that have been poor.  In the middle of the thread, I offered a mulligan just to get you to clarify your points, but you refused. You were too busy posting in this thread, responding to me. 

[oldtimer1]

That's actually one of the points made in the video. Activity is only a small portion of the calories you burn and even when you increase your activity, your body regulates your metabolism. If the runner is not on a calorie restricted diet, then his appetite will likely increase significantly.

When I go to a recreational 5k road race I see the builds on the guys with good times. They are all thin and they all put in the miles every week. I know one guy who can break 18 minutes for a 5k any day of the week and he eats like a horse. Competitive swimmers are known for their appetites and their bodies are tight. I would say diet and exercise are both important to lose weight. People that diet hard without exercise lose a lot of muscle in the weight loss.

Clarence Bass has a lot of research in his many books on this very topic. He always wrote when he dieted hard and lifted he always had to sacrifice some muscle getting to his extreme low fat levels.

[Kwon3]

Which would at least be minimally clever if it wasn't a follow up to you not recognizing sarcasm.  

You sounded awfully serious there, buddy. I didn't detect any irony or sarcasm at all. In fact, all I've picked up from all your posts is wanton aggression, morbid megalomania, obsessive time-stamp tracking, post counting (of mine), and a need to get the last word even though you're not particularly good at explaining what you're trying to say and end up resorting to ad hominems when you're repeatedly frustrated on here. I think what you're engaging in is called a rearguard action.

[Kwon3]

All of my points have been good. Yours are the ones that have been poor.  In the middle of the thread, I offered a mulligan just to get you to clarify your points, but you refused. You were too busy posting in this thread, responding to me. 

You've yet to make a point, Al. For over 90 minutes of arguing, that's a pretty low return on investment. I wouldn't want to be a shareholder in your business if that was your typical daily output.

[Al Doggity]

You've yet to make a point, Al. For over 90 minutes of arguing, that's a pretty low return on investment. I wouldn't want to be a shareholder in your business if that was your typical daily output.

Unlike you, I don't consider posting on getbig a job. However, you literally just congratulated me on making a good point a few posts ago. But I'm probably twisting your words. 

[Al Doggity]

You sounded awfully serious there, buddy.

Yes, that's why I said liar and moron.

[Kwon3]

Unlike you, I don't consider posting on getbig a job. However, you literally just congratulated me on making a good point a few posts ago. But I'm probably twisting your words. 

I don't consider it a job. There you go, making up your own facts when you have none of your own. Same old Al Doggity, writing his own script and delighting in reading it back to himself.

[Kwon3]

Yes, that's why I said liar and moron.

Right, but you've failed to prove either one. As usual.

You're like a guy who can't rap or sing, but he wants to do both.

[Al Doggity]

I don't consider it a job. There you go, making up your own facts when you have none of your own. Same old Al Doggity, writing his own script and delighting in reading it back to himself.

 You're the one who spends all of his time on this site and seems to think posting can somehow garner a return on investment.

Right, but you've failed to prove either one. As usual.

I dont have to. You  just did. You can't detect sarcasm.

[Kwon3]

You're the one who spends all of his time on this site and seems to think posting can somehow garner a return on investment.

I dont have to. You  just did. You can't detect sarcasm.

Oh, we're just making stuff up now? Well, why didn't you say so. I'll just do the classic replying to you with your own posts, then. That's always fun.

You're the one who spends all of his time on this site and seems to think posting can somehow garner a return on investment.

I dont have to. You  just did. You can't detect sarcasm.

[Al Doggity]

When I go to a recreational 5k road race I see the builds on the guys with good times. They are all thin and they all put in the miles every week. I know one guy who can break 18 minutes for a 5k any day of the week and he eats like a horse. Competitive swimmers are known for their appetites and their bodies are tight. I would say diet and exercise are both important to lose weight. People that diet hard without exercise lose a lot of muscle in the weight loss.

Clarence Bass has a lot of research in his many books on this very topic. He always wrote when he dieted hard and lifted he always had to sacrifice some muscle getting to his extreme low fat levels.

I don't think theses are apples to apples comparisons. This is like saying bodybuilders eat tons of calories and they all have abs. Yeah, you can find plenty of examples that fall into these general categories, but when you get into specifics, it really just goes back to what a lot of people have been saying: diet is most important in losing weight. Everyone loses muscle when they diet down. People are always shocked by how big they're not when they do their first real cut.

[Al Doggity]

Oh, we're just making stuff up now? Well, why didn't you say so.

You've been making stuff up. It wouldn't have made any difference to what you're posting.

[Kwon3]

You've been making stuff up. It wouldn't have made any difference to what you're posting.

You've been making stuff up. It wouldn't have made any difference to what you're posting.

[Al Doggity]

You've been making stuff up. It wouldn't have made any difference to what you're posting.

Oh  shit! It appears as though we've reached the pinnacle of adult conversation- you're rubber and I'm glue??? Hahaha!!

[Kwon3]

Oh  shit! It appears as though we've reached the pinnacle of adult conversation- you're rubber and I'm glue??? Hahaha!!

Oh  shit! It appears as though we've reached the pinnacle of adult conversation- you're rubber and I'm glue??? Hahaha!!