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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #475 on: September 30, 2018, 04:14:18 AM »
for 3 reasons. 1. He is picked for a lifetime position on the Supreme court. I don't know about you, but I want someone with at least a modem of ethics and integrity in that position. So if he is accused by more than one person of doing something inappropriate, and he denies it, that is a potential credibility issue. If it takes a week to resolve, its a week out of a lifetime appointment. Shouldn't be that big of a deal.  

2. Republicans are supposed to pretend they are the morally superior party.  would think it would be in their best interest to at least pretend they care if this guy is lying.

And 3. FBI is tasked with background investigations. At any point, new info comes to light about a nominee, it stands to reason they should look into it. If not, what's the point of the background investigations?  

When I hear you complain about Trumps golfing, I will take your taxpayer concern a little more seriously

The appointments shouldn't be for life there should be
An upper age limit
A max of 10/ 15yrs
And a check on their decision making / mental soundness every few years

Ahhhh & I thought it was the democraps & leftist that were the moralists with
All their protesting & liberal rights Bollocks.

Oh and Trumps Golfing appears to have worked wonders on the economy / employment
His Presidency rating & many other things... I must admit I never Though Golfing would've
had such a dramatic Favourable impact on so many things.  ;D

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #476 on: September 30, 2018, 04:17:40 AM »
for 3 reasons. 1. He is picked for a lifetime position on the Supreme court. I don't know about you, but I want someone with at least a modem of ethics and integrity in that position. So if he is accused by more than one person of doing something inappropriate, and he denies it, that is a potential credibility issue. If it takes a week to resolve, its a week out of a lifetime appointment. Shouldn't be that big of a deal.  

2. Republicans are supposed to pretend they are the morally superior party.  would think it would be in their best interest to at least pretend they care if this guy is lying.

And 3. FBI is tasked with background investigations. At any point, new info comes to light about a nominee, it stands to reason they should look into it. If not, what's the point of the background investigations?  

When I hear you complain about Trumps golfing, I will take your taxpayer concern a little more seriously


It should be obvious at this point who the unhinged nuts are.











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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #477 on: September 30, 2018, 07:53:02 AM »
The appointments shouldn't be for life there should be
An upper age limit
A max of 10/ 15yrs
And a check on their decision making / mental soundness every few years

Ahhhh & I thought it was the democraps & leftist that were the moralists with
All their protesting & liberal rights Bollocks.

Oh and Trumps Golfing appears to have worked wonders on the economy / employment
His Presidency rating & many other things... I must admit I never Though Golfing would've
had such a dramatic Favourable impact on so many things
;D

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #478 on: September 30, 2018, 08:41:23 AM »
for 3 reasons. 1. He is picked for a lifetime position on the Supreme court. I don't know about you, but I want someone with at least a modem of ethics and integrity in that position. So if he is accused by more than one person of doing something inappropriate, and he denies it, that is a potential credibility issue. If it takes a week to resolve, its a week out of a lifetime appointment. Shouldn't be that big of a deal.  

2. Republicans are supposed to pretend they are the morally superior party.  would think it would be in their best interest to at least pretend they care if this guy is lying.

And 3. FBI is tasked with background investigations. At any point, new info comes to light about a nominee, it stands to reason they should look into it. If not, what's the point of the background investigations?  

When I hear you complain about Trumps golfing, I will take your taxpayer concern a little more seriously
#1 It should never be a lifetime appointment. Have ALL accusations towards nominees been investigated by the FBI?
#2 Really? Cause if you see 99% of media sources, they seem to portray the dems as some sort of saints that are battling the evil repubs.
#3  FBI should be used to investigate crimes the have some sort of evidence attached, this accusation has nothing, zero, zilch, nada, nil

As far as you dragging Trumps golf time in as a show of wasted taxpayer dollars, that's just you trying to deflect from the fact that deep down inside you agree this chick is a liar and this whole charade is just bullshit to push out the confirmation until after midterms.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #479 on: October 01, 2018, 04:04:06 AM »
Sex-Crimes Prosecutor: Claims From Ford Against Judge Kavanaugh Lack Sufficient Evidence

Rachel Mitchell said in a memo to senators, ‘I do not think that a reasonable prosecutor would bring this case.’



Oct. 1, 2018

The sex-crimes prosecutor hired by the Senate Judiciary Committee to question Christine Blasey Ford about her allegations of assault against Brett Kavanaugh told the panel she wouldn’t have prosecuted the case, according to documents viewed by The Wall Street Journal.

Rachel Mitchell, an Arizona prosecutor for more than two decades whom Republicans hired for last Thursday’s hearing with Dr. Ford and the Supreme Court nominee, told senators on the panel in a memo Sunday that a reasonable prosecutor wouldn’t proceed because of a lack of sufficient evidence.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/sex-crimes-prosecutor-claims-from-ford-against-judge-kavanaugh-lack-sufficient-evidence-1538369619


READ THE MEMO:
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/politics/rachel-mitchells-analysis/3221/

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #480 on: October 01, 2018, 04:22:53 AM »
Lacks any evidence at all. 

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #481 on: October 01, 2018, 02:10:39 PM »
Lacks any evidence at all.  

you're an attorney. Is testimony from a plaintiff considered direct evidence? Yes or no


Would documents supporting an excessive drinking lifestyle that supported the plaintiffs claim the defendant was staggeringly intoxicated at the time of the assault be considered circumstantial evidence? Yes or no

So while you may consider the evidence to be weak, to say there is no evidence at all is simply a lie.   

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #482 on: October 01, 2018, 02:40:32 PM »
Sex-Crimes Prosecutor: Claims From Ford Against Judge Kavanaugh Lack Sufficient Evidence

Rachel Mitchell said in a memo to senators, ‘I do not think that a reasonable prosecutor would bring this case.’



Oct. 1, 2018

The sex-crimes prosecutor hired by the Senate Judiciary Committee to question Christine Blasey Ford about her allegations of assault against Brett Kavanaugh told the panel she wouldn’t have prosecuted the case, according to documents viewed by The Wall Street Journal.

Rachel Mitchell, an Arizona prosecutor for more than two decades whom Republicans hired for last Thursday’s hearing with Dr. Ford and the Supreme Court nominee, told senators on the panel in a memo Sunday that a reasonable prosecutor wouldn’t proceed because of a lack of sufficient evidence.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/sex-crimes-prosecutor-claims-from-ford-against-judge-kavanaugh-lack-sufficient-evidence-1538369619


READ THE MEMO:
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/politics/rachel-mitchells-analysis/3221/

Right between the eyes.  Don't believe an allegation just because it comes from a female.  Believe evidence, regardless of gender. 

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #483 on: October 01, 2018, 02:50:17 PM »
Republicans Are Planning To Vote On Brett Kavanaugh By The End Of The Week
An additional FBI investigation into accusations against the Supreme Court nominee is supposed to be completed Friday.
Paul McLeod
BuzzFeed News Reporter
Posted on October 1, 2018

Senate Republicans are planning to vote on confirming Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court by the end of the week, right after the FBI investigation into his past is set to conclude.

Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Monday on the Senate floor that “we’ll be voting this week” on Kavanaugh’s confirmation. He had initially planned to have the nomination wrapped up early this week, but that was delayed when Sen. Jeff Flake called for, and won, a one-week delay during which the FBI is investigating sexual harassment complaints against Kavanaugh.

Flake’s stand took place last Friday. The FBI was given a maximum of one week to investigate, meaning the background check could be made available to senators as late as this Friday.

Confirmation will require two votes in total. McConnell could schedule a cloture vote Friday or Saturday, which signals the end of debate. From that point on there will be up to 30 hours of debate before a final confirmation vote. Kavanaugh will need 51 votes on each of those to move forward.

Republicans have a thin 51-seat majority in the Senate and Vice President Mike Pence to break a tie. If all Democrats oppose Kavanaugh, it would take just two Republicans to sink the nomination.

Flake had actually announced he would support the Kavanaugh nomination Friday morning before saying the process needed to be slowed down. Even after winning a one-week FBI investigation, Flake told reporters that he is a conservative, like Kavanaugh, and hopes to vote yes on the nomination. But Flake said over the weekend that if Kavanaugh is found to have lied under oath he should not be confirmed. On Monday he said the FBI should investigate all “credible” allegations thoroughly.

“It does no good to have an investigation that gives us more cover,” he said at an event in Boston.

Only two other Republicans — Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins — have not declared their stance.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/paulmcleod/republicans-kavanaugh-vote-fbi-investigation

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #484 on: October 01, 2018, 02:52:44 PM »
you're an attorney. Is testimony from a plaintiff considered direct evidence? Yes or no


Would documents supporting an excessive drinking lifestyle that supported the plaintiffs claim the defendant was staggeringly intoxicated at the time of the assault be considered circumstantial evidence? Yes or no

So while you may consider the evidence to be weak, to say there is no evidence at all is simply a lie.   

Other than her accusation & testimony there is NO Evidence.
She can’t / couldnt remember when it was
Where it was
How she got to the party
How she got home
Her 4 “witness's Don’t confirm her story
And She hasn’t previously named him when having counselling
Only now he’s nominated & about to be appointed
She knows it was Him...  ::) yeah right of course she does,
And I have a Lovely Bridge for Sale.  ;D

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #485 on: October 01, 2018, 03:37:29 PM »
So now that these sexual assault allegations have blown up, the issue is whether Kavanaugh drank too much in high school.  Democrats have turned this process into a partisan national disgrace.

Byron York: In Kavanaugh fight, Democrats move goalposts far, far away
by Byron York
September 30, 2018
 
Ask any casual observer what the Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court confirmation fight is about, and the answer will be the allegation that at a high-school party 36 years ago, when Kavanaugh was 17, he drunkenly forced then-15-year-old Christine Ford onto a bed, tried to undress her, and, when she tried to scream, covered her mouth with his hand.

That is now old news. In the last 48 hours, immediately after Senate Republicans and President Trump agreed to Democratic demands that the FBI investigate the 1982 incident, the Kavanaugh goalposts have moved dramatically. Now, a key issue is Kavanaugh's teenage drinking, and whether he testified truthfully to Congress about the amount of beer he consumed in high school and college more than three decades ago, and the effect it had on him.

Just look at the headlines:

 
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"Yale Classmate Accuses Kavanaugh of 'Blatant Mischaracterization' of His Drinking." (New York Times)

"Another Yale classmate breaks silence: Kavanaugh lied." (CNN)

"Brett Kavanaugh's College Friends Say He Lied Under Oath About Drinking." (NBC)

And many others. The allegation is that at last Thursday's hearing, Kavanaugh lied to the Senate Judiciary Committee when he was asked about his drinking practices both in high school and at Yale University. Kavanaugh was under oath at the time.

"Lying to Congress is a federal crime," Sen. Bernie Sanders noted in a letter to Judiciary Committee chairman Charles Grassley. "Kavanaugh's truthfulness with the Senate goes to the very heart of whether he should be confirmed to the court."

The new developments raised two questions. One, did Kavanaugh actually lie to the Senate about his drinking? And two, why are Democrats, now that they have finally won the FBI investigation they wanted into the sexual misconduct allegations against Kavanaugh, suddenly making a bigger deal of his drinking?

On the first, Kavanaugh clearly told the Senate he drank in high school and college. He told the Senate he sometimes drank to excess. But he said he did not black out, nor did he drink so much that he could not remember events that took place while he was drinking.

"I drank beer with my friends," Kavanaugh testified. "Almost everyone did. Sometimes I had too many beers. Sometimes others did. I liked beer. I still like beer. But I did not drink beer to the point of blacking out, and I never sexually assaulted anyone."

That was pretty clear. Kavanaugh repeated it all when the Republican-appointed prosecutor, Rachel Mitchell, questioned him.

"Yes, we drank beer," he said. "My friends and I, the boys and girls. Yes, we drank beer. I liked beer. Still like beer. We drank beer. The drinking age, as I noted, was 18, so the seniors were legal, senior year in high school, people were legal to drink, and we — yeah, we drank beer, and I said sometimes — sometimes probably had too many beers, and sometimes other people had too many beers."

Mitchell pressed Kavanaugh on whether he sometimes drank so much that he forgot what he did when he was drinking.

"Have you ever passed out from drinking?"

"I — passed out would be — no, but I've gone to sleep, but — but I've never blacked out," Kavanaugh said. "That's the — that's the — the allegation, and that — that — that's wrong."

"So let's talk about your time in high school," Mitchell said. "In high school, after drinking, did you ever wake up in a different location than you remembered passing out or going to sleep?"

"No, no."

"Did you ever wake up with your clothes in a different condition, or fewer clothes on than you remembered when you went to sleep or passed out?"

"No, no."

"Did you ever tell — did anyone ever tell you about something that happened in your presence that you didn't remember during a time that you had been drinking?"

"No..."

"During the time in high school when you would be drinking, did anyone ever tell you about something that you did not remember?"

"No."

Later in the hearing, Democratic Sen. Amy Klobuchar picked up the questioning. "Drinking is one thing, but the concern is about truthfulness, and in your written testimony, you said sometimes you had too many drinks. Was there ever a time when you drank so much that you couldn't remember what happened, or part of what happened the night before?"

"No, I — no," Kavanaugh answered. "I remember what happened, and I think you've probably had beers, senator, and — and so I..."

"So you're saying there's never been a case where you drank so much that you didn't remember what happened the night before, or part of what happened?"

"It's — you're asking about, you know, blackout," Kavanaugh said. "I don't know. Have you?"

"Could you answer the question, judge? I just — so you — that's not happened. Is that your answer?"

"Yeah, and I'm curious if you have," Kavanaugh said.

"I have no drinking problem, judge."

"Yeah, nor do I."

Some Democrats and their allies in the press suggested Kavanaugh lied in his exchanges with Mitchell and the Democratic senators. But how? Kavanaugh was quite open about the fact that he drank in high school and in college, and also about the fact that he sometimes drank too much. He denied having alcohol-related blackouts, but said he had "gone to sleep" after drinking. On another occasion, responding to Klobuchar, he said "I don't know" when asked if he had ever drunk so much that he didn't remember what happened the night before. It's hard to see where the "federal crime," as Sen. Sanders put it, is in that testimony.

But by Sunday night, the Washington Post reported that "many Democrats have called for the FBI to take a broader look at whether Kavanaugh may have misled senators by minimizing his carousing behavior in high school and college."

Both the Post and the New York Times featured statements by a man named Charles Ludington, who was a classmate of Kavanaugh's at Yale and is now a professor at North Carolina State University. (He has written an academic history of wine.) Ludington said that in college Kavanaugh was "a frequent drinker, and a heavy drinker." Ludington said he had heard Kavanaugh "slur his words" and saw him "staggering from alcohol consumption." (Ludington said he knew that because "I often drank with him.")

"When Brett got drunk, he was often belligerent and aggressive," Ludington continued. "On one of the last occasions I purposely socialized with Brett, I witnessed him respond to a semi-hostile remark, not by defusing the situation, but by throwing his beer in the man's face and starting a fight that ended with one of our mutual friends in jail."

Ludington said he was going to take his tale of a 35-year-old scuffle to the FBI for further investigation, to show that Kavanaugh lied under oath to the Senate. "I can unequivocally say that in denying the possibility that he ever blacked out from drinking, and in downplaying the degree and frequency of his drinking, Brett has not told the truth," Ludington said.

The problem is, there is nothing in Ludington's statement that actually contradicts Kavanaugh's testimony. As noted, Kavanaugh testified that he drank plenty. And Ludington did not say that he, Ludington, ever witnessed Kavanaugh blacked out or passed out from alcohol. It is unclear what, if anything, the FBI would do with such a presentation from Ludington. But such stories are causing great excitement in Democratic Washington at the moment.

Why? The answer is the theory behind the Democratic attacks on Kavanaugh.

The most serious allegation against Kavanaugh is, of course, Christine Ford's. (To a lesser extent, there is also accuser Deborah Ramirez's claim that Kavanaugh exposed himself to her in a college drinking session, and to an even lesser extent, there is the gang rape allegation of Michael Avenatti client Julie Swetnick, which is not taken very seriously by either Democrats or Republicans.)

Kavanaugh has strongly and unequivocally denied the Ford allegation. The problem for Democrats is that there is no contemporaneous evidence to support Ford's claim. By her own account, Ford told no one of what happened at the time. She told no one in the next few years. No one in the next few decades. No one for 30 years, until, in 2012, when Ford says she told her therapist what had happened to her long ago.

The people Ford claims were at the home where she says Kavanaugh attacked her, including one close friend of Ford's, have said they have no memories that support her account.

So the Ford case is quite hard to make. And that is where, for Democrats, Kavanaugh's supposed blackouts come in. With no contemporaneous evidence that the Ford attack happened, Democrats are trying to make the case that it could have happened. What if Kavanaugh got drunk, attacked Ford, and later didn't remember that he did it?

That is the theory behind some Democratic senators' questioning of Kavanaugh last week. The idea was to get Kavanaugh to admit alcohol-induced memory loss and thus undermine his firm contention that he did not do what Ford alleged. How could he really know? He himself admitted that he sometimes drank so much he couldn't remember what happened the night before. He could have attacked Christine Ford in an alcoholic blackout and never remember that he did it.

The problem, of course, is that is all anti-Kavanaugh theorizing. There's no evidence to support it, just as there is no evidence beyond Christine Ford's word to support the original attack allegation. But it's what Democrats have to work with right now, and it's why they are trying to change the subject from alleged sexual misconduct to Kavanaugh's teenage drinking.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/byron-york-in-kavanaugh-fight-democrats-move-goalposts-far-far-away

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #486 on: October 01, 2018, 05:50:44 PM »
So now they are delaying the vote for one week for an FBI investigation. 

My prediction:  the FBI will get statements that repeat what the witnesses have already said.  Not a single Democrat will change his or her vote.  Ford will file a criminal complaint with the state of Maryland.  Democrats will demand a delay until after the state completes its investigation. 

And Kavanaugh will be confirmed week after next. 

Not sure Ford could file a criminal complaint. The statute of limitations in Maryland for a felony is 5 years. Misdemeanors punishable by imprisonment has no statute of limitations. It's best to have criminal trials as soon after an incident as possible. She might be able to file a civil suit, but her chance of prevailing is almost no chance whatsoever.

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #487 on: October 01, 2018, 06:01:24 PM »
This pretty much sums up the common sense interpretation of these events:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1046554824895066112

And, before anyone comments on the source, I got it via twitter, and it doesn't matter, it's the man's words I'm referring to.
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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #488 on: October 01, 2018, 06:16:25 PM »
Not sure Ford could file a criminal complaint. The statute of limitations in Maryland for a felony is 5 years. Misdemeanors punishable by imprisonment has no statute of limitations. It's best to have criminal trials as soon after an incident as possible. She might be able to file a civil suit, but her chance of prevailing is almost no chance whatsoever.



denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance...  ;D

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #489 on: October 01, 2018, 06:19:44 PM »
" Third Kavanaugh accuser Julie Swetnick just validated claims that she should be criminally prosecuted for lying in her initial sworn account alleging that Trump SCOTUS pick Brett Kavanaugh participated in "gang rapes" with his high school buddies back in the early 1980s.

In an interview with NBC news, Swetnick said that while she saw Kavanaugh aggressively hit on women at parties, she denied that she actually witnessed him participate in the rapes. She also said Kavanaugh wasn't a member of a group of boys who assaulted her during one of these parties.

    "I cannot specifically say that he was one of the ones who assaulted me," Swetnick told Snow. "But, before this happened to me, at that party, I saw Brett Kavanaugh there, I saw Mark Judge, and they were hanging out about where I started to feel disoriented and where the room was and where the other boys were hanging out and laughing."

    She added that Kavanaugh is an "admitted blackout drunk and drug addict."

    Swetnick did not confirm that she saw Kavanaugh spike punch, one of the claims from her affidavit, she instead said that she merely "saw him around punch containers," and that she wouldn't have accepted a glass of punch if he were to hand it to her.

    "I don’t know what he did," she added.

NBC was unable to corroborate Swetnick's claims after she provided four names to NBC News of people whom she said would confirm her accounts of the parties in the 1980s. After contacting all four, NBC reported that one said they did not remember Swetnick, one was dead and two did not respond. "


LOCK. HER. UP.

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #490 on: October 01, 2018, 06:28:15 PM »


denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance...  ;D

denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance... Not sure it's acceptance so much as logic, but I thought I should give you one point. :) The other points don't apply to me since I never gave a shit about all this crap or Kavanaugh. If I've learned nothing else in 74 years, I've learned what I can control and what I can't and that most things have a way of working out in the long run despite what any of us thinks, does or says.  

Note: The amount of things any of us can control is negligible.

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #491 on: October 01, 2018, 07:01:55 PM »


So while you may consider the evidence to be weak, to say there is no evidence at all is simply a lie.   
And what exactly is this weak evidence?
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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #492 on: October 01, 2018, 07:54:25 PM »
Demoncrats
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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #493 on: October 01, 2018, 07:59:26 PM »
Right between the eyes.  Don't believe an allegation just because it comes from a female.  Believe evidence, regardless of gender. 

I agree, at this time, it is not prosecutable. Don't misinterpret that from it didn't happen

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #494 on: October 01, 2018, 08:00:42 PM »
Other than her accusation & testimony there is NO Evidence.
She can’t / couldnt remember when it was
Where it was
How she got to the party
How she got home
Her 4 “witness's Don’t confirm her story
And She hasn’t previously named him when having counselling
Only now he’s nominated & about to be appointed
She knows it was Him...  ::) yeah right of course she does,
And I have a Lovely Bridge for Sale.  ;D

Your first sentence disproves Souls statement

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #495 on: October 01, 2018, 08:01:27 PM »
Not sure Ford could file a criminal complaint. The statute of limitations in Maryland for a felony is 5 years. Misdemeanors punishable by imprisonment has no statute of limitations. It's best to have criminal trials as soon after an incident as possible. She might be able to file a civil suit, but her chance of prevailing is almost no chance whatsoever.

I think you are incorrect. But from what I read, a felony sexual assault has no time limit. but I suspect her incident would fall under the 1 year misdemeanor statute. But I could be wrong. I do agree with your assessment that after so long, it is unlikely anyone could reach a conclusion in a court proceeding. But this is really about his fitness for a Supreme Court position. 

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #496 on: October 01, 2018, 08:03:46 PM »
And what exactly is this weak evidence?

Her testimony is considered evidence. He is a lawyer from what people on here say, so he should be aware of that. The yearbook, with its entries, notations is also considered evidence. My issue is that a lawyer who should know better, says it lacks any evidence. That simply is not true

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #497 on: October 01, 2018, 08:07:51 PM »
Minds are pretty much made up. I will attempt to refrain from commenting further until the Senate votes. I have said about all I can say. Anything more will devolve into a tit for tat and I'd rather not go there. Its a politically divisive issue and emotions can be strong. Again, I am just giving an opinion. I wasn't there. I try to evaluate the information as much as possible and determine what likely is the truth. And Illuminati, I agree 100% a lifetime appointment is ludicrous. I also think there should be a cap on age in Congress.

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #498 on: October 01, 2018, 08:14:58 PM »
Not sure Ford could file a criminal complaint. The statute of limitations in Maryland for a felony is 5 years. Misdemeanors punishable by imprisonment has no statute of limitations. It's best to have criminal trials as soon after an incident as possible. She might be able to file a civil suit, but her chance of prevailing is almost no chance whatsoever.

There's this interpretation of Maryland law:

Back on September 19th, the Washington Post ran an article written by Thiru Vignarajah, the former Deputy Attorney General of Maryland. You can’t be much more of an expert on Maryland state law than this guy is. Here’s part of what he wrote:

"Attempting a sexual assault with the aid of another person counts as attempted first-degree rape, just as restricting a victim’s breathing to stop her from shouting for help could fairly qualify as first-degree assault. Both are felonies with no statute of limitations in Maryland. Likewise, under Maryland law, using force to move a victim a short distance, even from one room to another, can amount to kidnapping, a crime that similarly has no limitations period. There are examples across the country where convictions for kidnapping have been upheld in cases where rapists took the victim just to a separate room to commit the crime."

https://www.palmerreport.com/factcheck/statute-limitations-maryland-brett-kavanaugh/13135/

We just have to wait and see how far they take the statute of humiliation.

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Re: Kavanaugh's accuser from 38 years ago goes public
« Reply #499 on: October 01, 2018, 08:23:43 PM »
There's this interpretation of Maryland law:

Back on September 19th, the Washington Post ran an article written by Thiru Vignarajah, the former Deputy Attorney General of Maryland. You can’t be much more of an expert on Maryland state law than this guy is. Here’s part of what he wrote:

"Attempting a sexual assault with the aid of another person counts as attempted first-degree rape, just as restricting a victim’s breathing to stop her from shouting for help could fairly qualify as first-degree assault. Both are felonies with no statute of limitations in Maryland. Likewise, under Maryland law, using force to move a victim a short distance, even from one room to another, can amount to kidnapping, a crime that similarly has no limitations period. There are examples across the country where convictions for kidnapping have been upheld in cases where rapists took the victim just to a separate room to commit the crime."

https://www.palmerreport.com/factcheck/statute-limitations-maryland-brett-kavanaugh/13135/

We just have to wait and see how far they take the statute of humiliation.

Awesome post with great information. Thank you. I have wondered since reading the Maryland statutes what they would consider a felony sexual assault and your post explains it. The issue always is, with time, I mean the longer a victim waits, in any type case the lesser their chances of success, that after 38 years, even if he did it... it would be near impossible to meet "beyond a reasonable doubt" in a court environment

In reading the article, it says the door is wide open to Ford pressing charges. The problem then becomes, when it is staffed with the DA who would try the case, would they say insufficient evidence. No DA ever wants to take a case they might lose and this one would be a special "Ah hell no". And frankly I wouldn't blame him or her. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, just means it would be impossible to reach that "Beyond a reasonable doubt" bar at this time