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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #50 on: October 04, 2018, 02:17:05 AM »
The reality of this Bezos move is that 1) He eliminated stock and bonuses from the employees pay, 2) He is giving the employees who currently make $15/hour a very small raise so essentially those who worked their way up are now no different than entry level people (fcking stupid move)3) He is investing in warehouse automation at a lightning fast clip and won't need a lot of employees anyways and 4) He is worried about antitrust action so he tried to placate the liberal Democrats in Congress and get them on his side.

OK, I get it. He's an evil, evil man and if given the opportunity would enslave us all in work camps and is doing this to cover up his sinister plans. But do you think the employees are better off now at $15/hour or at the $7.50/hour?

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2018, 03:37:34 AM »
All business owners are evil cretins who screw over their employees.  Only government officials are good and then only if they are socialists.  If we could just change the U.S. to pure socialism we would be so much better off like Venezuela, Cuba and the old Soviet Union.

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #52 on: October 04, 2018, 03:49:58 AM »
OK, I get it. He's an evil, evil man and if given the opportunity would enslave us all in work camps and is doing this to cover up his sinister plans. But do you think the employees are better off now at $15/hour or at the $7.50/hour?
Its not about that. It’s about the long term. And that is with the pay raises many industries are lost king towards automation. Like the fast food industry, those companies that raise their min wage to 15/hour, hire less people and focus on automation. And like Thomas Sowell has said, raising of the min wage has hurt employable certain segments of the population.

http://www.aei.org/publication/thomas-sowell-on-the-cruelty-of-minimum-wage-laws/

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2018, 03:55:56 AM »
Its not about that. It’s about the long term. And that is with the pay raises many industries are lost king towards automation. Like the fast food industry, those companies that raise their min wage to 15/hour, hire less people and focus on automation. And like Thomas Sowell has said, raising of the min wage has hurt employable certain segments of the population.

http://www.aei.org/publication/thomas-sowell-on-the-cruelty-of-minimum-wage-laws/

Automation has its limits. Humans are still being used for the overwhelming majority of physically-demanding jobs in retail, logistics, and customer service. Layoffs are inevitable, but the same thing happened 100 years ago when industry started moving towards machine-based labor. It'll never get to a place where no one without an advanced degree or skill has a job because it would lead to economic stagnation and possible civil unrest. There's far more jobs open than people looking and that will continue for a long time.

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2018, 06:32:42 AM »
OK, I get it. He's an evil, evil man and if given the opportunity would enslave us all in work camps and is doing this to cover up his sinister plans. But do you think the employees are better off now at $15/hour or at the $7.50/hour?

You aren’t the sharpest pencil in the box pellius. Do some research on what the existing employees are saying about this “raise”. 

The bulk of your comments are truly ignorant.

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2018, 06:52:07 AM »
Its not about that. It’s about the long term. And that is with the pay raises many industries are lost king towards automation. Like the fast food industry, those companies that raise their min wage to 15/hour, hire less people and focus on automation. And like Thomas Sowell has said, raising of the min wage has hurt employable certain segments of the population.

http://www.aei.org/publication/thomas-sowell-on-the-cruelty-of-minimum-wage-laws/

Huge, huge, huge difference between the government raising the minimum wage and an employer raising their base pay.

As Thomas Sowell's number one student, Walter Williams, would say, "Move to the back of the class."

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2018, 07:04:27 AM »
You aren’t the sharpest pencil in the box pellius. Do some research on what the existing employees are saying about this “raise”. 

The bulk of your comments are truly ignorant.

Why don't you point out and explain my "ignorance" as I majored in math/science and minored in Economics at UCLA.

I know several people that work for Amazon, two are relatives. Those that were making 7.50 are ecstatic that their pay has doubled.

Why don't you answer the question instead of hurling personal insults.  If you were working at Amazon making 7.50 and it was raised to 15 would you consider yourself better off or would you decline the increase?

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #57 on: October 04, 2018, 09:03:58 AM »
Good on Amazon but $15/hour is about $30,000 yearly.  That's enough to get by in some places but it's not a comfortable lifestyle. 

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #58 on: October 04, 2018, 12:13:39 PM »
Valid point. It's interesting that there hasnt been government intervention yet.



There has....just that's it's the Chinese govt not the USA:


https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-apple-hacked-by-china-through-microchip-2018-10

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #59 on: October 04, 2018, 12:15:35 PM »
Good on Amazon but $15/hour is about $30,000 yearly.  That's enough to get by in some places but it's not a comfortable lifestyle.  
You realize those people wear headsets that tells them to pick items off a shelf and put it on a push cart on wheels, right? They don't deserve $15. Not even $13. If you want a comfortable life, go to school or learn something that not everyone else can do after 4 hours of group training.

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #60 on: October 04, 2018, 12:24:19 PM »
Good on Amazon but $15/hour is about $30,000 yearly.  That's enough to get by in some places but it's not a comfortable lifestyle. 

No one is forcing anyone to take the job.  Or make it a career. It's a means to an end.

You realize those people wear headsets that tells them to pick items off a shelf and put it on a push cart on wheels, right? They don't deserve $15. Not even $13. If you want a comfortable life, go to school or learn something that not everyone else can do after 4 hours of group training.

Kwon, after reading your description of the skill set, do you think I can use you as a reference for this Amazon job?


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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #61 on: October 04, 2018, 12:32:59 PM »
You realize those people wear headsets that tells them to pick items off a shelf and put it on a push cart on wheels, right? They don't deserve $15. Not even $13. If you want a comfortable life, go to school or learn something that not everyone else can do after 4 hours of group training.

All I said is that $15/hour isn't much for an adult, and that was in response to some posters in this thread that act like this is a livable wage.  Since you mention it though, how much do these workers "deserve" and how did you arrive at your figure?  

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #62 on: October 04, 2018, 12:34:18 PM »
No one is forcing anyone to take the job.  Or make it a career. It's a means to an end.


And yet plenty of people make a career out of similar low-paying, dead-end jobs.  Why do you think that is?

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #63 on: October 04, 2018, 12:50:27 PM »
And yet plenty of people make a career out of similar low-paying, dead-end jobs.  Why do you think that is?

Opportunity. Lack of education. Low motivation and self esteem.  Low intelligence. Poor work ethic. Living expenses play a role as does debt to income ratio.

There's a large portion of society that looks for the path of least resistance when living life. There's another portion that likes stability, consistency and routine even if they don't like the job.

Familiarity with an occupation for many is better than starting over somewhere new. There's a reason a large portion of the (American) population lives within 60 miles of where they grew up (another study says the average American lives 18 miles away from their mother).

What was the answer you were looking for and what do you think Amazon should pay as a starting wage?

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #65 on: October 04, 2018, 01:39:55 PM »
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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #66 on: October 04, 2018, 01:59:48 PM »
Huge, huge, huge difference between the government raising the minimum wage and an employer raising their base pay.

As Thomas Sowell's number one student, Walter Williams, would say, "Move to the back of the class."
Read on. I said the fast food industry. I believe in some places Wendy’s or McDonalds has raised their min wage to $15/hour, but with that has come more automation. So, less people are being hired.
Also, one must ask does this make the cost of fries, Big Mac, or a Wendy’s Chicken sandwich go up.

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #67 on: October 04, 2018, 02:09:41 PM »
McDonalds' hiring rates have actually been trending upward in conjunction with more automation. If you go into an automated Mcdonald's (or home depot or cvs) it's not like any of those stores are being operated by one or two employees.

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #68 on: October 04, 2018, 02:37:55 PM »
There's a large portion of society that looks for the path of least resistance when living life.

Wouldn't the path of least resistance be immediate suicide?

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #69 on: October 04, 2018, 04:01:20 PM »
Read on. I said the fast food industry. I believe in some places Wendy’s or McDonalds has raised their min wage to $15/hour, but with that has come more automation. So, less people are being hired.
Also, one must ask does this make the cost of fries, Big Mac, or a Wendy’s Chicken sandwich go up.

Thomas Sowell would be shaking his head. I jest but Sowell has been my idol since my days taking econ classes at UCLA and I have read every one of his books and articles which seems like forever. I wish he would run this world.

No business will do anything willingly if it did not increase profits. And, of course, raising labor cost increases the cost of doing business. They will only raise base pay due to competition and if they are able to compensate elsewhere. This could be by raising the cost to the consumer but this is always the last resort. That is the option most often done when it is the government that mandates that they pay more. If they do it from a business standpoint then raising consumer cost is the last desperate option that most choose not to do. That leaves automation as a viable option. Have machines replace people so you don't have to hire as many employees.

I remember Sowell's response when posed this question about automation/technology replacing human labor. "So what?" You never, ever want to put restrictions on technology to spare human jobs. Never. If you did we'd still be having blocks of ice delivered to our homes on horse and carriage.

As technology advances and jobs are lost, new jobs are created that more than compensates for less efficient human labor. Anytime you can reduce the cost of doing business and increase the profit margin only then can expand and grow, not only your own business but the economy as a whole.

Say you own a fast food drive in and you employ ten workers. Now you have some machine that can flip the burgers at the exact time you want them every time and put them on a bun ten patties at a time. It could be anything really but say it cuts the need for labor down to five employees so you get rid of the other five. But now you are making more money. Now you can save and invest, which grows the economy. Maybe that savings can be translated into opening up another drive in with five employees. So instead of having one drive in with ten employees, you have two with five each.

Again, the basic economic principle is to never to reject the advances in technology, to do things better and cheaper, because you want to save an individual job. New, better and more jobs are always the result. And it also increases the standard of living for the consumer because they get better products for less cost. I remember when the VHS was being replace by the DVDs. All the talk of loss jobs. All those VCR machines, VHS rental stores going out of business. And they did. And we are better off for it.

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #70 on: October 04, 2018, 04:06:46 PM »
New, better and more jobs are always the result.

Do you actually believe this ???

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #71 on: October 04, 2018, 04:13:16 PM »
Opportunity. Lack of education. Low motivation and self esteem.  Low intelligence. Poor work ethic. Living expenses play a role as does debt to income ratio.

There's a large portion of society that looks for the path of least resistance when living life. There's another portion that likes stability, consistency and routine even if they don't like the job.

Familiarity with an occupation for many is better than starting over somewhere new. There's a reason a large portion of the (American) population lives within 60 miles of where they grew up (another study says the average American lives 18 miles away from their mother).

What was the answer you were looking for and what do you think Amazon should pay as a starting wage?

18 miles away from mother,close 23 miles.

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #72 on: October 04, 2018, 04:17:08 PM »
Do you actually believe this ???

Instead of I that I go through all this trouble writing this and not meaning it. That I just make it up for fun . Why don't you address the argument and debate and offer a counter point? Give an example where it's not true. And just to be clear, I mean advances that made it to the market. There are many ideas that are tried and failed but those technology advances that actually did produce always resulted in more and better jobs producing better and cheaper products.

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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2018, 04:37:07 PM »
If you really think of it, Vince Goodrum, CSN, MFT, HPP, CEO, is more successful than Jeff Bezos:

Vince Goodrum, CSN, MFT, HPP, CEO: Over 200 online businesses.

Jeff Bezo: One online business.

The numbers speak for themselves.
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Re: Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 an hour
« Reply #74 on: October 04, 2018, 05:07:46 PM »
18 miles away from mother,close 23 miles.

I hear you bro. I live in my moms basement.