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it aint so..it'll continue expanding forever

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/cosmic_darknrg_020115-1.html

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/hubble_expansion_030410.html



"dark energy and the accelerating universe"

http://snap.lbl.gov/brochure/foreword.html




size of the universe...156 billion light yrs across..no multiple galaxy images..ie light has not looped it...ie its still expanding
and the expansion is accelerating :-)
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_040524.html

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Re: Religion says the univers is gnna end one day: NOT so says science!
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2006, 01:54:49 PM »
Why would "religion" care if the universe will end?  And how would it know?

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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2006, 07:50:51 AM »
Why would "religion" care if the universe will end?  And how would it know?


Ever read Revelation? ::)

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Re: Religion says the univers is gnna end one day: NOT so says science!
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2006, 02:43:43 PM »
Revelation is the destruction of people and goverments that have not brought their lives into harmony with GOD.     The earth will not be destroyed nor the heavens.  God promised this to Noah after the flood.     The earth represents alot of the inhabitants and man made governments and pagan churches................ .....It will not be pretty. ;)

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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2006, 03:22:18 PM »
Revelation is the destruction of people and goverments that have not brought their lives into harmony with GOD.     The earth will not be destroyed nor the heavens.  God promised this to Noah after the flood.     The earth represents alot of the inhabitants and man made governments and pagan churches................ .....It will not be pretty. ;)


Actually God said to Noah that he would never "flood" the world again, Not never destroy it. He said the next time he'd destroy the world it would be with fire not water.

Secondly Revelation was talking about the Roman empire and the Nero Caesar, Not modern times. People have been predicting the "end times" for thousands of years and have always been wrong. Revelation thought the "end times" would occur within the lifetime of the apostles.

Thirdly it's common christian belief the WORLD will end during end times. Not just governments. It's common christian belief that the "choosen" will be taken from earth and the sinners "left behind" on earth to live through the end times. Of course revelation itself doesn't say any such thing but that's what they believe.

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Re: Religion says the univers is gnna end one day: NOT so says science!
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2006, 04:28:16 PM »

Actually God said to Noah that he would never "flood" the world again, Not never destroy it. He said the next time he'd destroy the world it would be with fire not water.

Secondly Revelation was talking about the Roman empire and the Nero Caesar, Not modern times. People have been predicting the "end times" for thousands of years and have always been wrong. Revelation thought the "end times" would occur within the lifetime of the apostles.

Thirdly it's common christian belief the WORLD will end during end times. Not just governments. It's common christian belief that the "choosen" will be taken from earth and the sinners "left behind" on earth to live through the end times. Of course revelation itself doesn't say any such thing but that's what they believe.

The ter m fire is used to emphasize permanent destruction.  For instance in jerusalem the garbage and waste was consumed by fire and this was used even by the bible as an example of completeness.

Yes. Jerusalum was destroyed in 70 c.e.  this was the earthly representation of Gods home and his covenant with the jews.   However as fortold they would slay Gods son and a new way of religion would come.

You are confusing the book of daniel with revelation as to world powers that would be destoyed thru time.

Most dont know that their not going to heaven....only 144,000 chosen ones to rule over the new earths inhabitants.  They disregard Isiah 65:17 and Psalms 37:11.   I dont see the earth inhabited with "meek" ones do you?    It must be the second fullfillment of revelation.   However this new earths conditons will be like heaven. See revelation 21:4.  This is heaven like, so its something to look forward too.    Its not here yet , obviously.

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Re: Religion says the univers is gnna end one day: NOT so says science!
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2006, 08:09:10 PM »
Revelation is the destruction of people and goverments that have not brought their lives into harmony with GOD.     The earth will not be destroyed nor the heavens.  God promised this to Noah after the flood.     The earth represents alot of the inhabitants and man made governments and pagan churches................ .....It will not be pretty. ;)

if the earth is destroyed and not the universe you'r implying that god exists inside the universe..which means he's bound by the same laws of physics and time we r  ;)
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2006, 08:51:27 PM »
if the earth is destroyed and not the universe you'r implying that god exists inside the universe..which means he's bound by the same laws of physics and time we r  ;)

LOL.  Spirit creatures do not live by the physic's we do.  BTW, the physical earth will not be destroyed, it is the govermental system and many occupants.   The bible uses symbolic language to describe some events.  But if used with the whole bible one can see that the truth comes out. ;)

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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2006, 09:03:11 PM »
LOL.  Spirit creatures do not live by the physic's we do. 

 :-\   i dont believe in ghosts either btw...


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BTW, the physical earth will not be destroyed,


our sun will one day turn into a red giant star..when it does its diameter will cover the orbit of earth..Earth will basicaly evaporate

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/astronomy/stars/lifecycle/
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Re: Religion says the univers is gnna end one day: NOT so says science!
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2006, 09:14:44 PM »
Interesting. ;D

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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2006, 09:20:45 PM »
Interesting. ;D

if someone can explain god thru science to me and no wishy washy stuff..i'd be religious...

n thats no lie.. :)
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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2006, 09:30:24 PM »
if someone can explain god thru science to me and no wishy washy stuff..i'd be religious...

n thats no lie.. :)

Science exists because of GOD, therefore he is in science. ;D

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Re: Religion says the univers is gnna end one day: NOT so says science!
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2006, 09:43:43 PM »
Science exists because of GOD, therefore he is in science. ;D

can god make a stone that he himself cannot lift?   ::)
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2006, 10:40:26 PM »
if someone can explain god thru science to me and no wishy washy stuff..i'd be religious...

n thats no lie.. :)

http://www.khouse.org/articles/1998/62/

All the things I post are the reason I became a Christian, I've always believed in God, but like you wanted proof. I read alot of books that related to the existance of "God" and that includes subjects on apologetics. The author of this site (Chuck Missler) is about as technical as you're going to get when it comes to this subject.

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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2006, 12:18:17 AM »
thanx for the link bro..i'll read it tomorrow ..well later today and reply!  8)
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Re: Religion says the univers is gnna end one day: NOT so says science!
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2006, 04:59:13 AM »
"The startling discovery of modern science is that our physical universe is actually finite. Scientists now acknowledge that the universe had a beginning. They call the singularity from which it all began the "Big Bang.""

I beg to differ, the big bang was not the beginning.  There is no such thing as a beginning.  For that to be true there would have to exist a moment where there was nothing which of course is a load of nonsense as in the realm of nothing there is no such thing.   Not a single thing can come from nothing.  Therefore, there has always been something.

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« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2006, 05:50:50 AM »
"The startling discovery of modern science is that our physical universe is actually finite. Scientists now acknowledge that the universe had a beginning. They call the singularity from which it all began the "Big Bang.""

I beg to differ, the big bang was not the beginning.  There is no such thing as a beginning.  For that to be true there would have to exist a moment where there was nothing which of course is a load of nonsense as in the realm of nothing there is no such thing.   Not a single thing can come from nothing.  Therefore, there has always been something.

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True. That "Khouse" site is nonsense. The "Big bang" occured after the Planck epoch. The "Big bang" wasn't the beginning at all.
Mr.Intenseone keeps posting that bullshit site without ever actually researching what it claims. He takes it for face value and doesn't even get what it's explaining. He post it instead of presenting an argument himself.

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Re: Religion says the univers is gnna end one day: NOT so says science!
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2006, 06:09:29 AM »
http://www.khouse.org/articles/1998/62/

All the things I post are the reason I became a Christian, I've always believed in God, but like you wanted proof. I read alot of books that related to the existance of "God" and that includes subjects on apologetics. The author of this site (Chuck Missler) is about as technical as you're going to get when it comes to this subject.

Thanks for the link, Intense. :)


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« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2006, 06:10:28 AM »

True. That "Khouse" site is nonsense. The "Big bang" occured after the Planck epoch. The "Big bang" wasn't the beginning at all.
Mr.Intenseone keeps posting that bullshit site without ever actually researching what it claims. He takes it for face value and doesn't even get what it's explaining. He post it instead of presenting an argument himself.

Do you think you can maybe STFU for about 2min? No wait, let me guess. All sites are useless but yours!!

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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2006, 06:28:52 AM »
Do you think you can maybe STFU for about 2min? No wait, let me guess. All sites are useless but yours!!


That site isn't "useless". It's very useful...For a good laugh!

You're using a fundamentalist christian site opposed to secular science sites to argue scientific facts!

The author of that site doesn't know a Gluon from  Fermion. He thinks the "big bang" was the beginning and as Rocket and I pointed out..that's complely false.

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Re: Religion says the univers is gnna end one day: NOT so says science!
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2006, 08:52:31 PM »
can god make a stone that he himself cannot lift?   ::)

I know he can make one you cant lift. ;D

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Re: Religion says the univers is gnna end one day: NOT so says science!
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2006, 09:13:06 PM »
I know he can make one you cant lift. ;D

so can i


i must be god!
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« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2006, 09:31:28 PM »
so can i


i must be god!

Yes, you are godlike....lower case "g".lol   You can make a rock from substances he created. 8)

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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2006, 10:04:30 PM »
from substances he created. 8)

nope..i created em..prove i didn;t
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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2006, 07:32:17 PM »
nope..i created em..prove i didn;t

Ahhh, chicken or the egg???  LOL