Any MGTOW guys here?

[visualizeperfection]

I've known of MGTOW since it's beginning. While I believe in many of its principles, ultimately you can end up spiritually empty because you're satisfying your carnal needs and not bonding spiritually. Random acts of sex don't count.

This is why you must find a woman that understands order and you are her head and she must love and embrace her role as a wife. Theyre out there for sure. Go MGTOW on your average American skank. Not righteous women. One problem for most, is you have to be righteous man to get and keep a righteous woman...Shalom

The only sort of woman that could understand you is likely some crackpot psychiatrist or another dumb brew.

[Matt]

I was MGTOW without even realizing it.  I only attempted to get a girlfriend twice in my life - both rejected me.  Meanwhile, when I just ignore women, they come to me. 

Go figure.  I don't even want to try to figure it out.  All that I know is that the less I care about women, the more interest they have in me.  It's probably about wanting what they can't have or something.  I don't care too much to figure out the female brain.  I guess any man not caring about women signals he has a lot of options or something.  That could be it.  Or, you know, maybe women are just extremely annoying to figure out, and I wanted nothing to do with trying to.  But if that's what got me short-term relationships with women over the years, I won't complain.  Supposedly, women don't want men with extremely masculine faces as long-term boyfriends.  So I have come to accept that women want me in the short-term, not in the long-term.  It is what it is, so I am ok with that.

[Purge_WTF]

 I took the Red Pill when I was 13. MGTOW before there was MGTOW.

[Humble Narcissist]

I was MGTOW without even realizing it.  I only attempted to get a girlfriend twice in my life - both rejected me.  Meanwhile, when I just ignore women, they come to me. 

Go figure.  I don't even want to try to figure it out.  All that I know is that the less I care about women, the more interest they have in me.  It's probably about wanting what they can't have or something.  I don't care too much to figure out the female brain.  I guess any man not caring about women signals he has a lot of options or something.  That could be it.  Or, you know, maybe women are just extremely annoying to figure out, and I wanted nothing to do with trying to.  But if that's what got me short-term relationships with women over the years, I won't complain.  Supposedly, women don't want men with extremely masculine faces as long-term boyfriends.  So I have come to accept that women want me in the short-term, not in the long-term.  It is what it is, so I am ok with that.

Women are obsessed with powerful men.  When you chase them you lack power.

[denarii]

doesnt MGTOW involve clapping as many cheeks as you can and not getting tied down?

[Parker]

I was MGTOW without even realizing it.  I only attempted to get a girlfriend twice in my life - both rejected me.  Meanwhile, when I just ignore women, they come to me. 

Go figure.  I don't even want to try to figure it out.  All that I know is that the less I care about women, the more interest they have in me.  It's probably about wanting what they can't have or something.  I don't care too much to figure out the female brain.  I guess any man not caring about women signals he has a lot of options or something.  That could be it.  Or, you know, maybe women are just extremely annoying to figure out, and I wanted nothing to do with trying to.  But if that's what got me short-term relationships with women over the years, I won't complain.  Supposedly, women don't want men with extremely masculine faces as long-term boyfriends.  So I have come to accept that women want me in the short-term, not in the long-term.  It is what it is, so I am ok with that.

1) you assume that you are extremely masculine in the face. 2) this has been studied. 3) square jawed or diamond shaped face men, women find sexually attractive. But, this facial structure suggest that they sleep around (aka have options or are untrustworthy—-will not stick around). Round face men suggest that they are nuturers and providers and will stick around for a child.

[The Scott]

The only sort of woman that could understand you is likely some crackpot psychiatrist or another dumb brew.

 

[ProudVirgin69]

doesnt MGTOW involve clapping as many cheeks as you can and not getting tied down?

My limited understanding of it is that it involves not getting involved with any women at all .. like as in not even having sex with them, as the effort/time/money involved isn't worth it.  Seems pretty extreme to me.

[SF1900]

My limited understanding of it is that it involves not getting involved with any women at all .. like as in not even having sex with them, as the effort/time/money involved isn't worth it.  Seems pretty extreme to me.

Rory and I decided not to get married.

Makes it easier.

[The_Punisher]

oh yeah?, well, all these Instagram Bitches and Hoes are just looking for your money, if you have any......

[OlympiaGym]

MGTOW = loser

[Fortress]

Chicks are loopy.

[BBSSchlemiel]

Every man should be a MGTOW until they have established themselves and become independently wealthy.

By 30, if you have a solid financial foundation......then you should get married, with a prenup, and have children.  Any young man who doesn't follow these instructions is going to get fucked over royally. 

Chasing these worthless sluts in your teens and 20s is the patch to destruction.  You'll end up with at least one STD, an empty bank account, and her new boyfriend raising your kids.

Speak for yourself. Many men will never be independently wealthy but managed to find decent women who have no intention of fucking their man over. And if some dude found a woman who wants to fuck him over, then he apparently married a bad woman.

If the majority of men waited til they were wealthy, they would never have kids.

Many men I know married in their 20's and their women aren't and were never worthless sluts.

Hard to believe for some, I know.

[Brian Poulos]

Speak for yourself. Many men will never be independently wealthy but managed to find decent women who have no intention of fucking their man over. And if some dude found a woman who wants to fuck him over, then he apparently married a bad woman.

If the majority of men waited til they were wealthy, they would never have kids.

Many men I know married in their 20's and their women aren't and were never worthless sluts.

Hard to believe for some, I know.

Keep dreamin'....

[BBSSchlemiel]

Keep dreamin'....

Sorry. Not everyone's marriage and families are miseries.

 No need to dream. Happily married with a kid (trying for more), a home, and great in-laws. My friends and cousins aren't dreaming either. Things work out with two people who are well-adjusted and have normal expectations, unselfish, care for kids, and attend work.

[BBSSchlemiel]

MGTOW = loser

For many yes. Very few men choose to go womanless. The majority of men who go MGTOW did so because they simply gave up after being rejected or unable to find a woman or.... in many cases simply couldn't get a date with a beautiful women.

Some of the delusional ones think it is they who are rejecting women or doing without them by choice.

Many men drastically overestimate their sexual market value and can't snap into the reality that they won't be getting dates with Heidi Klum look-alikes. Either that, or they believe the meme that men age like fine wine and that after a small fortune is accrued and they go womanless in the process, that in the end beautiful women will be banging on their door to caress their pot bellies and gray hairs.  

[chaos]

Faggotry

[B_B_C]

the more queers and the more of these celibate nutters that are around the more hot chicks there will for every other guy

[Matt]

For many yes. Very few men choose to go womanless. The majority of men who go MGTOW did so because they simply gave up after being rejected or unable to find a woman or.... in many cases simply couldn't get a date with a beautiful women.

Some of the delusional ones think it is they who are rejecting women or doing without them by choice.

Many men drastically overestimate their sexual market value and can't snap into the reality that they won't be getting dates with Heidi Klum look-alikes. Either that, or they believe the meme that men age like fine wine and that after a small fortune is accrued and they go womanless in the process, that in the end beautiful women will be banging on their door to caress their pot bellies and gray hairs.  

We joke here that I have 7 kids with 12 Baby Mommies.  

In reality, I tried to knock up four women, and was successful with two.  So I have three kids - with the first two from the same mother, and the baby [17 months] being with the new mom [she is a 5'11 ginger, and I got lucky with the baby - who has red hair and blue eyes].

I have two degrees in university [psychology/math - it's embarrassing for me to admit to the psych degree], and have two minor degrees, spent four years in the army, and I am within 20-lb of my top shape for pound-for-pound strength.

I do believe it is me who actively stays out of relationships.  In fact, the hottest girl I know asked me to be her boyfriend just last month...and at 36 now, it might be time for me to settle down and have children...uh...I mean, have a nuclear family.  I was with my first two children's mother for the early years of their life, and I believe the first five years are the most important for children/development.

The new baby's mom lives five houses down from me, so it works well...but as a man, I think it is a huge liability to be a husband - essentially everything gets blamed on the man.  A man's assets are on the line...

Not to mention the expression [even though I am a chauvinist, I HATE anything that compares women to farm animals, but...] "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"

I offered one of the hottest girls I know money for sex.  She said she didn't want to accept money.  I told her that I would pay money on the condition it is unprotected sex [we both trust each other].

She then said it would be fine to have unprotected sex and not pay.

To that I said no.

As Charlie Sheen, you aren't paying escorts for sex - you're paying them to leave.  If a woman sticks around, she will cost you far more money in the long run.

I'm at a point in my life where I would rather select a few female friends, and just pay them for sex with no commitment - and little to no overlap.  Even as a single man, I prefer being a one-woman man.

[Brian Poulos]

We joke here that I have 7 kids with 12 Baby Mommies.  

In reality, I tried to knock up four women, and was successful with two.  So I have three kids - with the first two from the same mother, and the baby [17 months] being with the new mom [she is a 5'11 ginger, and I got lucky with the baby - who has red hair and blue eyes].

I have two degrees in university [psychology/math - it's embarrassing for me to admit to the psych degree], and have two minor degrees, spent four years in the army, and I am within 20-lb of my top shape for pound-for-pound strength.

I do believe it is me who actively stays out of relationships.  In fact, the hottest girl I know asked me to be her boyfriend just last month...and at 36 now, it might be time for me to settle down and have children...uh...I mean, have a nuclear family.  I was with my first two children's mother for the early years of their life, and I believe the first five years are the most important for children/development.

The new baby's mom lives five houses down from me, so it works well...but as a man, I think it is a huge liability to be a husband - essentially everything gets blamed on the man.  A man's assets are on the line...

Not to mention the expression [even though I am a chauvinist, I HATE anything that compares women to farm animals, but...] "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"

I offered one of the hottest girls I know money for sex.  She said she didn't want to accept money.  I told her that I would pay money on the condition it is unprotected sex [we both trust each other].

She then said it would be fine to have unprotected sex and not pay.

To that I said no.

As Charlie Sheen, you aren't paying escorts for sex - you're paying them to leave.  If a woman sticks around, she will cost you far more money in the long run.

I'm at a point in my life where I would rather select a few female friends, and just pay them for sex with no commitment - and little to no overlap.  Even as a single man, I prefer being a one-woman man.

You're not MGTOW. You're a chump.

[BBSSchlemiel]

You're not MGTOW. You're a chump.

He's a chump for being attractive enough that numerous women want to have sex with him and having his children? Interesting.

[BBSSchlemiel]

We joke here that I have 7 kids with 12 Baby Mommies.  

In reality, I tried to knock up four women, and was successful with two.  So I have three kids - with the first two from the same mother, and the baby [17 months] being with the new mom [she is a 5'11 ginger, and I got lucky with the baby - who has red hair and blue eyes].

I have two degrees in university [psychology/math - it's embarrassing for me to admit to the psych degree], and have two minor degrees, spent four years in the army, and I am within 20-lb of my top shape for pound-for-pound strength.

I do believe it is me who actively stays out of relationships.  In fact, the hottest girl I know asked me to be her boyfriend just last month...and at 36 now, it might be time for me to settle down and have children...uh...I mean, have a nuclear family.  I was with my first two children's mother for the early years of their life, and I believe the first five years are the most important for children/development.

The new baby's mom lives five houses down from me, so it works well...but as a man, I think it is a huge liability to be a husband - essentially everything gets blamed on the man.  A man's assets are on the line...

Not to mention the expression [even though I am a chauvinist, I HATE anything that compares women to farm animals, but...] "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"

I offered one of the hottest girls I know money for sex.  She said she didn't want to accept money.  I told her that I would pay money on the condition it is unprotected sex [we both trust each other].

She then said it would be fine to have unprotected sex and not pay.

To that I said no.

As Charlie Sheen, you aren't paying escorts for sex - you're paying them to leave.  If a woman sticks around, she will cost you far more money in the long run.

I'm at a point in my life where I would rather select a few female friends, and just pay them for sex with no commitment - and little to no overlap.  Even as a single man, I prefer being a one-woman man.

You are an exception. Unfortunately we live in a globo-gayplex in which men have to state, "no homo" before or after being complimentary or congratulating to other men, but I do mean the following sincerely.

You're an exception; you're not ordinary. You're a physically attractive guy.

And let's go through the list here:
1. Military service.
2. Financially solvent and self-employed.
3. Highly intelligent.
4. Used to bop around interviewing top names in bodybuilding at fitness expos and had own website.
5. Has kids with previous partners which makes him further attractive to other women.

Does that sound like a guy who struggles to get female attention and has no options?

This is not the case of some ordinary dude wishing women would notice him.

I love my family and I want more kids. You stated that one should be there for the first five years of life especially. Me, I want to be living with my children in a closed family unit.

You know I like you and reading your posts. You did have a website right? I think I remember you posting some William Pierce lectures on it, one of them being on why marriages fail today, but had much higher success rates in the past.

I'm not sure what you mean by a woman costing money. Good married couples are a team and in some cases the guy is the sole breadwinner and the woman takes care of most household chores and raising kids. It used to be that darn near every guy, whether he was a landscaper or broom pusher or doctor or lawyer had a stay-at-home mom and that set up was not solely a rich man's game like it is now. I earn most of the money and my wife works part time. That's what I prefer. I don't want some god-awful, cosmopolitan setup in which children are raised by nannies from god knows where and the woman is working in some high-driving, male-dominated field.

[plebian]

For many yes. Very few men choose to go womanless. The majority of men who go MGTOW did so because they simply gave up after being rejected or unable to find a woman or.... in many cases simply couldn't get a date with a beautiful women.

Some of the delusional ones think it is they who are rejecting women or doing without them by choice.

Many men drastically overestimate their sexual market value and can't snap into the reality that they won't be getting dates with Heidi Klum look-alikes. Either that, or they believe the meme that men age like fine wine and that after a small fortune is accrued and they go womanless in the process, that in the end beautiful women will be banging on their door to caress their pot bellies and gray hairs.  

They wont admit this of course, and yet a cursory view of MGTOW online communities and online content creators on places like youtube et al is very revealing. Id go as far as saying the MGTOW and incel communities actually have a lot of crossover, but the latter group actively acknowledges they've been excluded out of the sexual market, while the former pretends they chose to remove themselves.

Theres also a large element of the lady doth protest too much in these communities. You definitely hit the nail on the head about men drastically overestimating where they sit in the market. That delusion and refusal to accept reality is what made the PUA scam industry massively profitable for almost 2 decades. Its funny how every guy i speak to on the internet apparently has slept with hundreds of women and hates them all, is over 6 feet tall, has a huge cock, is good looking, incredibly muscular and a successful entrepreneur. But in the meatspace, i keep running into physically unremarkable or fat men who are facially quite ugly, have had maybe 4 sexual partners and got/are gonna get married to the last one and are working in the poorly paid, overworked full time servitude of some major globohomo conglomerate company. strange huh  


 

[BBSSchlemiel]

They wont admit this of course, and yet a cursory view of MGTOW online communities and online content creators on places like youtube et al is very revealing. Id go as far as saying the MGTOW and incel communities actually have a lot of crossover, but the latter group actively acknowledges they've been excluded out of the sexual market, while the former pretends they chose to remove themselves.

Theres also a large element of the lady doth protest too much in these communities. You definitely hit the nail on the head about men drastically overestimating where they sit in the market. That delusion and refusal to accept reality is what made the PUA scam industry massively profitable for almost 2 decades. Its funny how every guy i speak to on the internet apparently has slept with hundreds of women and hates them all, is over 6 feet tall, has a huge cock, is good looking, incredibly muscular and a successful entrepreneur. But in the meatspace, i keep running into physically unremarkable or fat men who are facially quite ugly, have had maybe 4 sexual partners and got/are gonna get married to the last one and are working in the poorly paid, overworked full time servitude of some major globohomo conglomerate company. strange huh  


 

Correct on all said! Great post!

[Brian Poulos]

They wont admit this of course, and yet a cursory view of MGTOW online communities and online content creators on places like youtube et al is very revealing. Id go as far as saying the MGTOW and incel communities actually have a lot of crossover, but the latter group actively acknowledges they've been excluded out of the sexual market, while the former pretends they chose to remove themselves.

Theres also a large element of the lady doth protest too much in these communities. You definitely hit the nail on the head about men drastically overestimating where they sit in the market. That delusion and refusal to accept reality is what made the PUA scam industry massively profitable for almost 2 decades. Its funny how every guy i speak to on the internet apparently has slept with hundreds of women and hates them all, is over 6 feet tall, has a huge cock, is good looking, incredibly muscular and a successful entrepreneur. But in the meatspace, i keep running into physically unremarkable or fat men who are facially quite ugly, have had maybe 4 sexual partners and got/are gonna get married to the last one and are working in the poorly paid, overworked full time servitude of some major globohomo conglomerate company. strange huh  


 

Do you have any idea what you're even talking about?