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Re: Boy Scouts Possibly Filing for Bankruptcy
« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2018, 05:59:14 PM »
As long as the IFBB isn’t filing from bankruptcy we should be fine



No, they dodged that bullet:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/23/politics/david-pecker-immunity-cohen/index.html

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Re: Boy Scouts Possibly Filing for Bankruptcy
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2018, 08:54:07 PM »
Also, it's  not so much the right wanting to "seize power" to promote their value system but rather to preserve, or conserve if you will, tradition value systems that has withstood the test of time like marriage and family being run by a mother and father.
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Re: Boy Scouts Possibly Filing for Bankruptcy
« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2018, 12:37:38 AM »
I am talking about civilians. If the average republican conservative (civilian) could turn it into a theocracy, they would in a heartbeat.

But the religious types are just a small amount of Republicans.

Libertarians and those favouring a free-market, non-socialist system with less state intervention will vote for the Republicans.

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« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2018, 12:49:41 AM »
I am talking about civilians. If the average republican conservative (civilian) could turn it into a theocracy, they would in a heartbeat.

I'm an average Republican Conservative and so is Coach. Neither of us want to turn this society into a theocracy. If anything, Republic Conservatives are Constitutionalist. We believe in the Constitution.

Why do you feel you can speak for Republican Conservatives.

(BTW, I'm glad that you make a clear distinction between Republican Conservatives and Republicans._

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« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2018, 01:15:48 AM »
You're making up excuses. It's to hold onto power. Humans are extremely motivated by power. When your worldview is the dominant one, of course one feels a sense of power. A fundamental attribute of human nature is to preserve one's culture because it offers a sense of dominance and power over others.

Further, I don't care about traditional value systems, except within the context of good evidence. Something could be a traditional value but not align with good evidence. Many "traditional values" have gone by the way side because it's been proven to be wrong. Again, I don't care how old or new the stance is. I care whether it stands up to the scrutiny of good evidence. That should be the only
parameters in which a value system should be examined--not because "well, it was done in the past."

Holy cow! I didn't realize you had such an adversarial view towards those that don't share your beliefs. Is it possible that you can leave open the possibility that I, as well as others, hold the views that we do because we actually believe in them? That it's not to assert dominance and power over others. That we actually believe that having a mother and a father is the best situation for raising a child. That we believe in clear distinctions between men and women: how they act, how they dress, the role they play in society and family. That marriage is between a man and a woman...

And, of course, you; and many, many others, dismiss traditional values and shake your head and turn your nose up at them. Old fogies. That's why we fight. That's the eternal battle.

But you claim you do care if it stands up to scrutiny and evidence.

Well, how has that worked out? Now that the government has assumed the role of the provider, men no longer feel that sense of responsibility when deciding to have children than when I was a kid. How has the single parent family worked out? How has the blurring of the roles and behavior between men and women worked out for society? How has the more "fluid" nature of sexuality worked out for our children?

What kind of role models are boys taught to aspire to? This was something that was inculcated in my generation. I remember my father was wise to the fact that I always looked up to strong, kick-ass type of men: Bruce Lee, Clint Eastwood, Charles Bronson, so he tried to teach me that there's more to strength than just muscles, fists and guns. That there is strength in character. He made me read books like "To Kill a Mocking Bird" and pay close attention to how the character Atticus Finch conducted himself. Always with dignity, respect, fighting for he believed in regardless of the outcome.

“Atticus, you must be wrong…,” said Scout.

“How’s that?”

“Well, most folks seem to think they’re right and you’re wrong…”

“They’re certainly entitled to think that, and they’re entitled to full respect for their opinions,” said Atticus, “but before I can live with other folks I’ve got to live with myself. The one thing that doesn’t abide by majority rule is a person’s conscience.”


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Re: Boy Scouts Possibly Filing for Bankruptcy
« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2018, 03:20:19 AM »
Not for centuries. After Vatican 2.

There will always be bad seeds in any organization. The litmus test is not that there are bad people doing bad things but how the organization handles it. Some Americans commit war crimes as do Muslims. We punish our war criminals. The Muslims celebrate them.

I believed when this was first brought to light in the Catholic church that it was just a small minority of bad seeds. With the recent allegations it has become apparent that it is an institutional moral sin that is covered up and therefore tacitly tolerated. As if it's just part of the church. Sort of like sports and steroids. People know everyone uses them but it's openly considered wrong and discourage but in private vials and pill changes hands.

Despite being a life long Catholic and promising my dying father that I will always remain true to my faith, I could no longer be part of the Catholic church and left some months ago.
What do you practice now?  Orthodox church, protestant or just believe on your own?

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« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2018, 05:44:21 AM »
The truth is that there simply is no connection between homosexuality and pedophilia: The idea that gay men are attracted to young boys at rates any higher than the general population is a scientifically demonstrable lie.

Most men who molest little boys are not gay. Only 21 percent of the child molesters studied who assault little boys were exclusively homosexual. Nearly 80 percent of the men who molested little boys were heterosexual or bisexual and most of these men were married and had children of their own.

You've contradicted yourself. Gay men clearly are attracted to young boys at a higher rate then the general population since homosexuals make up far less then 21% of the overall male population.  

Homosexuality itself may often be the result of childhood molestation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11501300

Also, pro-pedophilia advocacy groups were founded and led by homosexuals.

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« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2018, 02:19:10 PM »
Prime where are you getting these stats?

Bisexuals are as homosexual as they heterosexual. They would not be categorized with heterosexual stats in these findings


Are you saying this to troll?

I apologize for not citing the sources. Suffice it to say, I didn't make this up. Truthfully, stats to support a variety of opposing positions can easily be found.

I don't troll. You are correct in that bisexual means "one swings both ways." Also, like you indicate, bisexuals should probably be in a separate category and not included in either the heterosexual or homosexual percentiles.

By definition, pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children whether male or female. This often is confused with an attraction to teenagers and young adults, which is a different issue where sexual preference is more likely to be involved. Largely depending on laws that define age of consent, it can be child sexual abuse. IMO, it is wrong and possibly illegal. Here is one source that explains this much better than I can: https://blogs.bmj.com/medical-ethics/2017/11/11/pedophilia-and-child-sexual-abuse-are-two-different-things-confusing-them-is-harmful-to-children/

I believe all legally sexual acts should be mutually agreed upon without coercion. Anything else is rape.

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Re: Boy Scouts Possibly Filing for Bankruptcy
« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2018, 04:46:19 PM »
What do you practice now?  Orthodox church, protestant or just believe on your own?

Nondenominational Christian Church similar to New Hope. It's one my cousin goes to. Not completely comfortable. Little to informal for my taste. Lots of guitar and singing and the Pastor wears jeans and an Aloha shirt. It's not even in a church but a movie theatre.

I like to see candles, statues, stained glass, pews robes, and the crucifix.

If a stranger pokes his head in during a Mass there's no doubt a religious service is going on. With this service, it could be a motivational seminar with Tony Robbins.

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Re: Boy Scouts Possibly Filing for Bankruptcy
« Reply #59 on: December 17, 2018, 05:00:08 PM »
I apologize for not citing the sources. Suffice it to say, I didn't make this up. Truthfully, stats to support a variety of opposing positions can easily be found.

I don't troll. You are correct in that bisexual means "one swings both ways." Also, like you indicate, bisexuals should probably be in a separate category and not included in either the heterosexual or homosexual percentiles.

By definition, pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children whether male or female. This often is confused with an attraction to teenagers and young adults, which is a different issue where sexual preference is more likely to be involved. Largely depending on laws that define the age of consent, it can be child sexual abuse. IMO, it is wrong and possibly illegal. Here is one source that explains this much better than I can: https://blogs.bmj.com/medical-ethics/2017/11/11/pedophilia-and-child-sexual-abuse-are-two-different-things-confusing-them-is-harmful-to-children/

I believe all legally sexual acts should be mutually agreed upon without coercion. Anything else is rape.

A man being sexually attracted to another male, whatever the age, is gay. If the male is a prepubescent boy then he is a gay pedophile.

Why do you dispute this other then you think it makes gays look worse as your instinct is always to stick up for homosexuals?

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Re: Boy Scouts Possibly Filing for Bankruptcy
« Reply #60 on: December 17, 2018, 05:07:57 PM »
A man being sexually attracted to another male, whatever the age, is gay. If the male is a prepubescent boy then he is a gay pedophile.

Why do you dispute this other then you think it makes gays look worse as your instinct is always to stick up for homosexuals?



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« Reply #61 on: December 17, 2018, 05:13:47 PM »
A man being sexually attracted to another male, whatever the age, is gay. If the male is a prepubescent boy then he is a gay pedophile.

Why do you dispute this other then you think it makes gays look worse as your instinct is always to stick up for homosexuals?



not true.  gay or straight people are those attracted to individuals that are sexually developed. paedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children that by definition are not sexually developed.

classing a pedo "gay" or "straight" is an insult to both groups. only a pedo or possibly someone asexual would think otherwise.

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« Reply #62 on: December 17, 2018, 06:41:56 PM »

not true.  gay or straight people are those attracted to individuals that are sexually developed. paedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children that by definition are not sexually developed.

classing a pedo "gay" or "straight" is an insult to both groups. only a pedo or possibly someone asexual would think otherwise.

It is always an invalid argument, , even if true, to say that if someone believes such and such then they are a this or that. That's not an argument. I can just as easily say that anybody that doesn't think a male having sex with another male regardless of age isn't gay is either gay himself or a pedo.

And for the record:

'Homosexual Pedophiles': A Clinical Term

The fact is, however, that the terms "homosexual" and "pedophile" are not mutually exclusive: they describe two intersecting types of sexual attraction. Webster's Dictionary defines "homosexual" as someone who is sexually attracted to persons of the same sex. "Pedophile" is defined as "an adult who is sexually attracted to young children." The former definition refers to the gender of the desired sexual object, while the latter refers to the age of the desired sexual object.


http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/DaileyHomosexualAbuse.php?%2Farticles%2FDaileyHomosexualAbuse.htm


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« Reply #63 on: December 17, 2018, 07:14:47 PM »

not true.  gay or straight people are those attracted to individuals that are sexually developed. paedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children that by definition are not sexually developed.




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« Reply #64 on: December 17, 2018, 07:28:53 PM »
Nondenominational Christian Church similar to New Hope. It's one my cousin goes to. Not completely comfortable. Little to informal for my taste. Lots of guitar and singing and the Pastor wears jeans and an Aloha shirt. It's not even in a church but a movie theatre.

I like to see candles, statues, stained glass, pews robes, and the crucifix.

If a stranger pokes his head in during a Mass there's no doubt a religious service is going on. With this service, it could be a motivational seminar with Tony Robbins.


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Re: Boy Scouts Possibly Filing for Bankruptcy
« Reply #65 on: December 18, 2018, 01:55:15 AM »
It is always an invalid argument, , even if true, to say that if someone believes such and such then they are a this or that. That's not an argument. I can just as easily say that anybody that doesn't think a male having sex with another male regardless of age isn't gay is either gay himself or a pedo.

And for the record:

'Homosexual Pedophiles': A Clinical Term

The fact is, however, that the terms "homosexual" and "pedophile" are not mutually exclusive: they describe two intersecting types of sexual attraction. Webster's Dictionary defines "homosexual" as someone who is sexually attracted to persons of the same sex. "Pedophile" is defined as "an adult who is sexually attracted to young children." The former definition refers to the gender of the desired sexual object, while the latter refers to the age of the desired sexual object.


http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/DaileyHomosexualAbuse.php?%2Farticles%2FDaileyHomosexualAbuse.htm



"orthodoxy today"?

do you really think it's surprising that an organisation involved or related to the church would attempt to normalise the desire to have sex with children by classifying it as hetro or homosexual?

prepubescent children are not sexual beings. example, having sex with a 2 year old girl is not in any way a heterosexual act. it's just paedophilic depravity.

would you class someone who wants to have sex with female dogs as a heterosexual? what if it was a puppy too?  


to qualify what i said earlier. there are only two logical reasons that someone would describe paedophilia as hetro or homo...one you are trying to in some way normalise/ make it sound more acceptable (as per your article). or 2) you don't have any normal understanding of sexuality because you're most likely asexual.

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Re: Boy Scouts Possibly Filing for Bankruptcy
« Reply #66 on: December 18, 2018, 03:03:06 AM »
"orthodoxy today"?

do you really think it's surprising that an organisation involved or related to the church would attempt to normalise the desire to have sex with children by classifying it as hetro or homosexual?

prepubescent children are not sexual beings. example, having sex with a 2 year old girl is not in any way a heterosexual act. it's just paedophilic depravity.

would you class someone who wants to have sex with female dogs as a heterosexual? what if it was a puppy too?  


to qualify what i said earlier. there are only two logical reasons that someone would describe paedophilia as hetro or homo...one you are trying to in some way normalise/ make it sound more acceptable (as per your article). or 2) you don't have any normal understanding of sexuality because you're most likely asexual.

Because you disagree with a conclusion you simply dismiss the source. Typical from the way you argue points on this board and very Basile-like.

You try to make an analogy between homosexuality and pedophilia, with bestiality. Not even close. Just grasping for straws.

Again you try to claim the mantle of logic with absolute nonsense. The idea that one distinguishes between sex between a male and a female vis-a-vis pedophilia, therefore, means you are trying to make it acceptable. WHAT?

The idea that one distinguishes between sex between a male and a female vis-a-vis pedophilia means one is asexual. WHAT?

One of the reasons you have so much trouble on this board is that you are from a different culture and religion that many in the Western world consider anathema to a decent and civilized society.

Webster Dictionary is a fairly reliable source with no agenda.

"Webster's Dictionary defines "homosexual" as someone who is sexually attracted to persons of the same sex. "Pedophile" is defined as "an adult who is sexually attracted to young children." The former definition refers to the gender of the desired sexual object, while the latter refers to the age of the desired sexual object."

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« Reply #67 on: December 18, 2018, 03:27:59 AM »
lol pelius my little elfing friend.

you are a single, unemployed, broke polynesian wanna be white man(elf) from hawaii that does voluntary work just to get out of the house, and you want to talk to me about "western culture" lol . you live in a broken down shack on some sleepy holiday island. i run a business and live in a nice house in an affluent region of london. and btw i happen to be a baptised christian. i just personally want no association with the weirdos and deviants (like yourself) that have hijacked the christian religion.


back on topic. anyone that really believes they can put forward "orthodoxy today" as an authoritative source in a discussion re paedophilia has to be an idiot of towering proportions.

as previously said. if you believe sex with a 2 year old girl is a heterosexual act you're one sick and or confused fk.

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« Reply #68 on: December 18, 2018, 03:33:55 AM »
lol pelius my little elfing friend.

you are a single, unemployed, broke polynesian wanna be white man(elf) from hawaii that does voluntary work just to get out of the house, and you want to talk to me about "western culture" lol . you live in a broken down shack on some sleepy holiday island. i run a business and live in a nice house in an affluent region of london. and btw i happen to be a baptised christian. i just personally want no association with the weirdos and deviants (like yourself) that have hijacked the christian religion.


back on topic. anyone that really believes they can put forward "orthodoxy today" as an authoritative source in a discussion re paedophilia has to be an idiot of towering proportions.

as previously said. if you believe sex with a 2 year old girl is a heterosexual act you're one sick and or confused fk.

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It would be heterosexual and pedophilia only homos don't want to admit this because of the link between homosexuals and pedophilia.

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« Reply #69 on: December 18, 2018, 03:40:29 AM »
It would be heterosexual and pedophilia only homos don't want to admit this because of the link between homosexuals and pedophilia.

there is no more link between homos and pedos than there is between hetros and pedos.

pedos are creatures that want to have sex with non sexual beings that have little/no understanding of what the perpetrator is doing. not much different to someone that wants to have sex with a dog. WOOF!

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« Reply #70 on: December 18, 2018, 03:52:29 AM »
This thread turned really gross really quick. I’m glad the LDS church pulled out and is starting their own organization next year. I wonder if they’ll let non members kids in?

Pellius, why don’t you become LDS?

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« Reply #71 on: December 18, 2018, 03:59:47 AM »
there is no more link between homos and pedos than there is between hetros and pedos.

pedos are creatures that want to have sex with non sexual beings that have little/no understanding of what the perpetrator is doing. not much different to someone that wants to have sex with a dog. WOOF!
But there is a link you just don't want to accept it.

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« Reply #72 on: December 18, 2018, 04:04:08 AM »
Nondenominational Christian Church similar to New Hope. It's one my cousin goes to. Not completely comfortable. Little to informal for my taste. Lots of guitar and singing and the Pastor wears jeans and an Aloha shirt. It's not even in a church but a movie theatre.

I like to see candles, statues, stained glass, pews robes, and the crucifix.

If a stranger pokes his head in during a Mass there's no doubt a religious service is going on. With this service, it could be a motivational seminar with Tony Robbins.

My mom's parents were devout Catholics so I went to mass several times as a child so I can see where it would be weird to attend a church that doesn't have the symbolism and ceremonies.

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« Reply #73 on: December 18, 2018, 06:40:06 AM »
there is no more link between homos and pedos than there is between hetros and pedos.

pedos are creatures that want to have sex with non sexual beings that have little/no understanding of what the perpetrator is doing. not much different to someone that wants to have sex with a dog. WOOF!

So you think an adult male sexually attracted to prepubescent males is not considered homosexual? This wouldn't be considered heterosexual behavior.


You do realize you can have multiple classifications of sexual abnormalities?

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« Reply #74 on: December 18, 2018, 08:52:14 AM »
So you think an adult male sexually attracted to prepubescent males is not considered homosexual? This wouldn't be considered heterosexual behavior.


You do realize you can have multiple classifications of sexual abnormalities?

no. they may also be homosexual (or heterosexual) but i don't believe the act of having or wanting to have sex with a prepubescent child is either homosexual or heterosexual.

you think a man that has no sexual interest in a sexually developed female but wants to have sex with a small girl is heterosexual?