History repeats itself. Innocent people will die.

[falco]

Relax lads. Trump knows best. He his avoiding the hassle of having americans killed, while still selling tons of guns to the Curd militia who fight there.
Win win situation.

[B_B_C]

Dear God, what a miserable human being you are. Good people can differ on foreign policy but instead of making an argument this is how you speak.

Do you have children?

one should only argue with the blott if one has the same level of intelligence

[Yamcha]

I can't seem to wrap my mind around people who think it would be wise to take out Assad.

It would be Hussein/Iraq 2.0; except Russia/Iran/Turkey, etc. would all be involved in the vacuum that would occur.

Also, what would the US win/gain from such a "victory'? We can't even decide who can use which bathroom in our own country - let alone occupy one post-war.

[SuperTed]

Trump is right to pull American troops out.

[IroNat]

What's all this about General Motors leaving the Trump administration?

[The Scott]

So basically your only defense is "shut up queer".   LOL what an idiot you sound, reading your post just makes me feel more retarded for having read it lol

"Defense"?  You are a child.  Go to your room, little boy.  I merely state what I hold true.  I'm not here to change the diaper that is your mind. 

I know...You'll need to ponder that and maybe even ax yo' mammy.  Later, lib.

[The Scott]

Wow, a post where you didn't use the word "cuck".

Any objective person can read my posts and compare them to yours and easily determine who goes through each day in abject misery.

But don't worry, I'm usually am up for a good forum battle but with you, I've already won because you're you and I'm me.

This ain't the Matrix kid and you can't even bend a spoon.  You know only that which is told you.  You on the other hand, blab about yourself, post photos and the like.  Foolish, child.  I don't dislike you and as with other adults here I sometimes agree with what you have to say and will state as much when that is so.

I don't debate.   In cases such as this I simply post what I hold true  Fuck turd-world lands.

Like Hawaii.

[fredrollon]

Yes. Do you remember what happened when we left Vietnam? Twice the amount of people were murdered in two years than in our entire ten-year involvement.

After the détente with Mao's China,it wasn't really vital for the US to have a strong military presence in Indo-China.

America's big foreign policy objective ,in the decades following World War II, essentially was to break-up the formidable alliance between the Soviet Union and China.





This they did in Asia through anti-Communist military actions on China's doorstep, designed to contain Chinese communist expansion and weaken or destabilise China's allies in Asia. These operations started with Korean War in the east and swept out to the west ,through Vietnam,Laos, Cambodia , Indonesia in the 60's and East Pakistan(present-day Bangladesh). I believe the name of this policy was the "Domino Theory".


And it seems like ,on its own terms,it was a smashing success.








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The best thing for a small country to do is to be pliant with the great powers and  keep out of their disputes. But that doesn't necessarily guarantee survival(look at Gaddafi).

[loco]

The USA must defend its borders...on very distant foreign soil?

[Dokey111]

Unwinnable? The Soviet Union fell. Look at the difference between North and South Korea. Eastern Europe versus Western Europe. If we didn't fight Communist expansion that would have been us.

We are the world police and we should be. The world needs a police just like your neighborhood needs a police. If we step down who do you think will step up? Russia, China, North Korea will do what they want because there will be nothing to stop them.

We take our freedoms and way of life so much for granted.  Remember Cuba and Lebanon use to be resort towns? Fighting Communist was a great thing. We went into Vietnam for virtually the exact same reason we went into Korea.
You may not care about the slaughter that followed and the Pol Pot regime. You may not care about the eternal suffering the people of North Korea have to go through. You may not care about the women and children that are going to be murdered in Syria. But many do. All our military leaders do.

That's NATO's job?

[Humble Narcissist]

Unwinnable? The Soviet Union fell. Look at the difference between North and South Korea. Eastern Europe versus Western Europe. If we didn't fight Communist expansion that would have been us.

We are the world police and we should be. The world needs a police just like your neighborhood needs a police. If we step down who do you think will step up? Russia, China, North Korea will do what they want because there will be nothing to stop them.

We take our freedoms and way of life so much for granted.  Remember Cuba and Lebanon use to be resort towns? Fighting Communist was a great thing. We went into Vietnam for virtually the exact same reason we went into Korea.
You may not care about the slaughter that followed and the Pol Pot regime. You may not care about the eternal suffering the people of North Korea have to go through. You may not care about the women and children that are going to be murdered in Syria. But many do. All our military leaders do.

Great points.  If we didn't defend the world the Soviet Union would have steam rolled all of Europe, Central America and any other place they could.  Cuba was a great resort island with great writers, actors, artists and singers living or vacationing there and since the communists took over just another communist country.

[beakdoctor]

We did it in Vietnam. We did it in Iraq. And now we are doing it in Syria.

Thousand of innocent people were slaughtered then. Thousands will be slaughtered now. And under a Republican President no less.

I just don't get it.

General James Mattis just announced his retirement.

I understand this is a personal issue for you but why should Americans die trying to help people that won't help themselves? The slaughter began before our involvement,  continued during our involvement and will continue until the underlying issues resolve themselves as has been the case in most other historical tragedies of this scale..

Can't be solved by force.

It's a change that has to do with education, wealth, agriculture,  technology,  class system and it will happen over time. It's going to follow a course, us leaving will speed up that course us staying will only slow it down, prolong it.

[Kazan]

I can't seem to wrap my mind around people who think it would be wise to take out Assad.

It would be Hussein/Iraq 2.0; except Russia/Iran/Turkey, etc. would all be involved in the vacuum that would occur.

Also, what would the US win/gain from such a "victory'? We can't even decide who can use which bathroom in our own country - let alone occupy one post-war.

Isn't it interesting that we had what a 2 year investigation into alleged Russian interference in our election, but no one bats an eye at this

[funk51]

Gotta love the people who eat up Trumps "love" for the military. 

he's a real american hero. he survived the sexual revolution intact.

[pellius]

This ain't the Matrix kid and you can't even bend a spoon.  You know only that which is told you.  You on the other hand, blab about yourself, post photos and the like.  Foolish, child.  I don't dislike you and as with other adults here I sometimes agree with what you have to say and will state as much when that is so.

I don't debate.   In cases such as this I simply post what I hold true  Fuck turd-world lands.

Like Hawaii.

We all know what information we've been told or read about. It's up to us to determine what is the truth.

And, of course, you don't debate, this implies that you have a closed mind and think you know all the answers. Therefore, wisdom is impossible. You are the same now, as you were ten years ago and as you will be ten years from now. I don't know everything and therefore welcome being proven wrong as though I lost a debate I've gained wisdom. Truth to you is just your truth and some of the greatest evil in this world has been done by those who felt that they knew the truth and knew what's right and therefore will justify anything to achieve their agenda and worldview. Whether it be Communist or Leftist social engineers.

[pellius]

I can't seem to wrap my mind around people who think it would be wise to take out Assad.

It would be Hussein/Iraq 2.0; except Russia/Iran/Turkey, etc. would all be involved in the vacuum that would occur.

Also, what would the US win/gain from such a "victory'? We can't even decide who can use which bathroom in our own country - let alone occupy one post-war.

We did the absolute right thing in taking out Hussein. If we didn't, due to his expansionist policies and attacking every one of his neighbors, we would be living in a different world today and not just because of high gas prices.

Erdogan has vowed to destroy the Kurds. We have just given him the green light. I know some people don't care about the wholesale slaughter of innocent men, women, and children. You should thank God that you live in this country and not have to worry, or even care, about the suffering of others, a blessing you did nothing to earn or deserve. You just won one of life's lottery.

I care, and so do many others, about all people, not just Americans. If we can save innocent lives then we should.
We have an all-volunteer Army. Everyone who joins the military understands, or should understand, that despite all the other benefits they get, their primary duty is to defend and fight for this country for its interest. And if we are going to be a force for good in this world, and we are, then that also means defending those who are innocent and can't defend themselves.

 

[pellius]

That's NATO's job?

Brah, we are NATO.

[Griffith]

Unwinnable.

We've been in Afghanistan for 17 years.  If you can't decisively win a war in 17 years............you fucked up.  All the shit you are saying now, I was saying 10 or so years ago.  It doesn't work and the price is too steep.

You and I fundamentally disagree on the world police issue.  I don't think we have the money or the manpower to be flexing our nuts all over the world for causes that don't directly benefit us.

There are innocent people taking it up the ass all over the world.  We can't save them all.  We don't wield the God-like power that Neocons like to pretend we do.  We need to pick our Wars more carefully.

Not 'unwinnable'.

Simply lack of will.

If the enemy are repeatedly bombed until there is no one left to bomb, then there will be victory.

The United States seems to wage half-hearted methods until their electorate and media eventually get fed up and then force the government to abandon everything. Their enemies know this, they just have to wait them out.

Democracies are not made for offensive campaigns, where the way only for victory is complete annihilation of the enemy at any cost.

[pellius]

I understand this is a personal issue for you but why should Americans die trying to help people that won't help themselves? The slaughter began before our involvement,  continued during our involvement and will continue until the underlying issues resolve themselves as has been the case in most other historical tragedies of this scale..

Can't be solved by force.

It's a change that has to do with education, wealth, agriculture,  technology,  class system and it will happen over time. It's going to follow a course, us leaving will speed up that course us staying will only slow it down, prolong it.

Won't? It's can't. The Kurds are fierce fighters but they have neither the numbers or resources to win. It's always like that when it's a totalitarian regime versus the people.

And, the truth of the matter is, that force, or the threat of force, solves everything. Or rather wins everything. You can debate and discuss all you want but if you can't back it by a threat of force then you lose. Economic sanctions, essentially starving someone, is a form of force.

And change for good absolutely does not happen over time. Look at the world. American, a relatively peaceful, safe, free and prosperous nation is an anomaly. And it didn't just happen over time. A lot of brave and selfless men spilled their blood so that both of us can sit here in our climate controlled environment, sipping a beverage, typing of a computer.

[Griffith]

I understand this is a personal issue for you but why should Americans die trying to help people that won't help themselves? The slaughter began before our involvement,  continued during our involvement and will continue until the underlying issues resolve themselves as has been the case in most other historical tragedies of this scale..

Can't be solved by force.

It's a change that has to do with education, wealth, agriculture,  technology,  class system and it will happen over time. It's going to follow a course, us leaving will speed up that course us staying will only slow it down, prolong it.

How do you think countries and nations are formed?

[pellius]

Not 'unwinnable'.

Simply lack of will.

If the enemy are repeatedly bombed until there is no one left to bomb, then there will be victory.

The United States seems to wage half-hearted methods until their electorate and media eventually get fed up and then force the government to abandon everything. Their enemies know this, they just have to wait them out.

Democracies are not made for offensive campaigns, where the way only for victory is complete annihilation of the enemy at any cost.

Yes, but now the argument has changed from do we fight to how we fight. The reasons, really since Vietnam when for the first time everything was televised and the media worked against you, we don't fight to win. That is a separate issue and probably the biggest obstacle in modern warfare for us.

You're so right and I don't have an answer. I just shake my head. How much do people have to suffer before we finally accept that we are dealing with monsters that masquerade as human beings and are just not civilized people and we take the gloves off and do some slaughtering ourselves? Hiroshima and Dresden saved lives in the long run and made for a better world.

[pellius]

How do you think countries and nations are formed?

LOL. People forget, or more likely, never knew, that virtually every inch of this planet has been conquered and re-conquered over the centuries. All by the strong. All by force or threat of force (as in the case of Hawaii).

I only wish the Left understood how important it is to have a strong military. It's one of the few things that government is authorized to do and not all these social programs that the Left wants the money to go to.

[Conker]

Isn't it interesting that we had what a 2 year investigation into alleged Russian interference in our election, but no one bats an eye at this

that;s because the general public are too stupid to see the glaring hypocrisy staring them in the face. the US and co can go around the globe trying to instigate or directly bring about "regime change" in as many sovereign nations as they see fit.

yet if russia gets involved in a conflict on it's own doorstep(ukraine) the "west" is up in arms that russia should involve itself in the internal affairs of another  sovereign nation.

you only have to the read the OP's drivel and the majority of responses in this thread to see how dumbed down and easily hoodwinked the general population are. same thing in the UK.

[Hapax legomenon]

Uncle Pellius:
clueless servant of power
Pitiful 'thinker'

[IroNat]

I'd find it hard to say the US military is underfunded.

Regarding Saddam Hussein (who the US put in power...he was our Assad) do you really believe the Middle East is more stable today with him gone?