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Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« on: December 20, 2018, 07:29:57 PM »
I've been saying this for a while. Today's guys have small chests because they use MACHINES today. Old school guys used free weights and benched heavy. Good listen:


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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2018, 07:57:39 PM »
Arnold and Lou had huge chests that would be impressive even today. Not anybody else stands out. I think the pecs don't look as big because the delts and arms are so huge. Also, the quads are way more massive on more bbers than ever before and less bbers squat than ever before. Platz-like quads are pretty common now.

How come this free weight theory doesn't hold for arms, delts and quads?

I don't know why tension from a barbell would be more effective than tension from a Hammer strength.

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2018, 08:34:30 PM »
i feel kevin had a good plan of attack wth bbing

take lots of time off/breaks and then go back at it hard core 100%

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2018, 09:08:15 PM »
i feel kevin had a good plan of attack wth bbing

take lots of time off/breaks and then go back at it hard core 100%


Most of the guys did this back in the old days, nothing new

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2018, 09:10:02 PM »
I've been saying this for a while. Today's guys have small chests because they use MACHINES today. Old school guys used free weights and benched heavy. Good listen:



Today’s guys don’t have small chests, it’s the overdevelopment of arms and delts, the ones that have small chests are genetics like everything else


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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2018, 09:14:17 PM »
Arnold and Lou had huge chests that would be impressive even today. Not anybody else stands out. I think the pecs don't look as big because the delts and arms are so huge. Also, the quads are way more massive on more bbers than ever before and less bbers squat than ever before. Platz-like quads are pretty common now.

How come this free weight theory doesn't hold for arms, delts and quads?

I don't know why tension from a barbell would be more effective than tension from a Hammer strength.
No machine can mimic the natural path of resistance of a barbell or db's.
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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2018, 09:23:27 PM »
No machine can mimic the natural path of resistance of a barbell or db's.

Bobert chick built an amazing physique with just cable cross overs, hammer strength machines and light stretching

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2018, 09:32:23 PM »
Kevin is talking horseshit.

I came up in the same era and gyms essentially had the same equipment they do now.

It’s the prevalence of drugs and the variety ... and willingness of so many to actually do them. And in insane amounts. This, in turn, has killed the mystique of ball-busting workouts. The actual training is an afterthought.

On a side note, is Levrone gonna try for an even lower placing at next year’s Olympia?

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2018, 09:58:32 PM »
No machine can mimic the natural path of resistance of a barbell or db's.


It is always refreshing to hear the opinion of a real expert!

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2018, 10:01:40 PM »

It is always refreshing to hear the opinion of a real expert!
Good to see you are opening your mind and taking the opinion of the real experts. 8)
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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2018, 10:05:56 PM »
Good to see you are opening your mind and taking the opinion of the real experts. 8)


Coach is the resident broscience expert and I guess that makes you the noscience expert. Congratulations.

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2018, 10:11:18 PM »
Great interview. I agree. I see it everyday

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2018, 10:25:56 PM »
No machine can mimic the natural path of resistance of a barbell or db's.

No barbell or dumbbell can mimic the path of resistance of, say the Hammer or Nautilus bicep machine. The difference is that the machine provides a full range of motion in a rotary fashion which is how your joints move. The cam also provides variable resistance to mimic the strength curve of your muscle as it is stronger in some positions and weaker in others. Free weight just provides resistance in an up and down fashion so you only get the full resistance, in the case of the barbell/dumbbell curl, when your forearm is parallel to the ground. You are also limited to the weight you can use when your joints are in the weakest position. 

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2018, 10:29:05 PM »

Coach is the resident broscience expert and I guess that makes you the noscience expert. Congratulations.

Ok, let’s debate.

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2018, 10:42:34 PM »
Ok, let’s debate.


What exactly would the topic be? How about broscience?

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2018, 10:47:56 PM »
Kevin is full of shit

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2018, 10:49:46 PM »

What exactly would the topic be? How about broscience?

Go.

Every time we’ve tried this you’ve got your ass handed to you EVERY...FUCKING....TIME
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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2018, 10:51:17 PM »
Ok, let’s debate.

Remember the original Nautilus leg press machine? Jones, through the use of the cam, tried to mimic the natural strength curve of the pressing movement of the legs, i.e. how you are so much weaker in the full squat position and the resistance started to increase as you pushed forward allowing maximum load, or as close to it, during the full range of motion through the use of the cam.

With the barbell squat, you are limited to the amount of weight you can use when you are at the weakest position, in the bucket, the full squat position. So in practice, it is very hard getting out of the bucket and then it becomes relatively easy to lock out as you get so much stronger, or rather in a much stronger position, as you get closer to the top.

Furthermore, in the squat, the resistance is placed on the top of the spine, and has to travel down the very weak and unstable path of the spine and vertebrates which are designed more for mobility than stability, going to the lower back, then finally the strong heavy bones of the hips and legs.

With the leg press the resistance starts at your strongest foundation only having to travel past the large and strongest bones and joints of your femor and hips.

This is not to mention the instability inherent in balancing and moving with a heavy bar across your shoulders and spine and trying to maintain proper posture as you start to fatigue. With the leg press your body is naturally held in a stable position.  

Exercise should enhance strength and functional ability and I don't think it is a coincidence that many, if not most, have to quit doing barbell squats as they get older because of the damage and unnatural strain it puts on the body. There's a lady in our gym in a wheelchair that is still able to do the Hammer or Hoist leg press.

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2018, 11:15:11 PM »
I like how dave doesn’t attribute injuries to the way he trains heavy and says genetics, like most bbers they never admit that training heavy or using massive amounts of steriods do attribute to their body breaking down or health issues. It’s not entirely genetics like Dave makes it seem

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2018, 11:32:36 PM »
Bobert chick built an amazing physique with just cable cross overs, hammer strength machines and light stretching


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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2018, 06:40:00 AM »
Go.

Every time we’ve tried this you’ve got your ass handed to you EVERY...FUCKING....TIME
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Bump for debate.

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2018, 06:55:57 AM »
They were both over 6 feet tall with large rib cages. Of course their pecs are going to be more massive than those of today’s midget bber.

Back in the day, I was a trainer in a gym where Arnold used to occasionally train. I personally saw him using the Cybex machine for chest.

Phil has shitty pecs for the same reason he has great arms: genetics.

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2018, 07:26:23 AM »
Imagine saying that today's bodybuilders look like shit , you provide the news that X rays are in and your knees are in the shape of a 22 year old man .... Then you proceed to announce the biggest comeback in bodybuilding history!!!  battle of the eras    and place dead last ....




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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2018, 08:31:43 AM »
Vince Basil is a fat old man and an expert in absolutely fuck all, he’s been in shape about 2 times in his life but never again in the 70 years since the handful of contests he did, no man who is an expert in anything spends 50 years of his life working on a pile of scrap that is of absolutely zero use or value to anyone, within minutes of him dying those around him will be phoning up the local scrap yard to pick up the monstrosity that the fat old fuck wasted his life working on

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Re: Kevin speaks the truth why todays guys look like shit
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2018, 08:40:08 AM »
Vince Basil is a fat old man and an expert in absolutely fuck all, he’s been in shape about 2 times in his life but never again in the 70 years since the handful of contests he did, no man who is an expert in anything spends 50 years of his life working on a pile of scrapyard is of absolutely zero use or value to anyone, within minutes of him dying those around him will be phoning up the local scrap yard to pick up the monstrosity that the fat old fuck wasted his life working on

How dare you talk of the biceps supinator machine like that.It is a technological marvel.