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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #75 on: January 04, 2019, 03:56:01 PM »


This thread is all the proof that we need that you are a dummy who has never figured out how to train.

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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #76 on: January 04, 2019, 04:07:59 PM »
This thread is all the proof that we need that you are a dummy who has never figured out how to train.

You cracked it!!
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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #77 on: January 04, 2019, 06:52:40 PM »
4th page, has anyone explained to sf that free weights > machines?
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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #78 on: January 04, 2019, 06:54:36 PM »
4th page, has anyone explained to sf that free weights > machines?

Maybe that’s why he didn’t squat with us...lol


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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #79 on: January 04, 2019, 06:57:43 PM »
Maybe that’s why he didn’t squat with us...lol


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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #80 on: January 04, 2019, 07:31:01 PM »
Maybe that’s why he didn’t squat with us...lol


J/k

ZING!!!  ;D ;D

I actually stopped squatting because of a previous double hernia.

But, yeah, I wouldn't squat these days anyway.
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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #81 on: January 04, 2019, 08:35:19 PM »
ZING!!!  ;D ;D

I actually stopped squatting because of a previous double hernia.

But, yeah, I wouldn't squat these days anyway.

You don't need to train legs.  You're asian.  You guys all are bottom heavy. 

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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #82 on: January 04, 2019, 10:18:21 PM »
You don't need to train legs.  You're asian.  You guys all are bottom heavy. 

He pretended to be Asian. He is a white guy in his 40’s.

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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #83 on: January 04, 2019, 10:19:52 PM »
He pretended to be Asian. He is a white guy in his 40’s.


Bullshit.  Ask Coach.  I heard he brought Coach homemade Sushi after they trained together.

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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #84 on: January 05, 2019, 05:48:44 AM »
There isn't an IFBB pro who doesn't work out nearly exclusively on machines.
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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #85 on: January 05, 2019, 05:55:56 AM »
Bullshit.  Ask Coach.  I heard he brought Coach homemade Sushi after they trained together.

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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #86 on: January 05, 2019, 07:09:40 AM »
You don't need to train legs.  You're asian.  You guys all are bottom heavy. 

wtf? since when does getbig allow asians on here? with the exception of mr taiwan

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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #87 on: January 05, 2019, 08:54:59 AM »
;D

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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #88 on: January 05, 2019, 09:46:50 AM »
Lets see:

I'm Asian, I'm White, I'm in my 30's, I'm also in my 40's. I lift weights, but I also don't lift weights.

I also have multiple gimmicks (Nether Animal, DaAnimal77, El Diablo Blanco, etc).

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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #89 on: January 05, 2019, 09:55:12 AM »
Phil Heath using mostly machines and hes 7x Mr. Olympia

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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #90 on: January 05, 2019, 10:56:04 AM »
Phil Heath using mostly machines and hes 7x Mr. Olympia



Already addressed this

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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #91 on: January 05, 2019, 01:06:50 PM »
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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #92 on: January 05, 2019, 04:34:32 PM »
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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #93 on: January 05, 2019, 04:47:00 PM »
Locked away in Aussie area 51 warehouse near military airport  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Google : Richmond airport ,Sydney ........................ .. ;)


Im assembling a team to go get that machine as we speak now that you have located for me.

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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #94 on: January 06, 2019, 01:41:38 AM »
Lets see:

I'm Asian, I'm White, I'm in my 30's, I'm also in my 40's. I lift weights, but I also don't lift weights.

I also have multiple gimmicks (Nether Animal, DaAnimal77, El Diablo Blanco, etc).

 ;D ;D ;D

Yes, you are all of these and so much more.  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #95 on: January 06, 2019, 03:14:38 AM »
You guys might remember David Feathers who use to post as "Ergo" on this board. He now has a youtube thing going where he features all the machines he owns, which is quite extensive. He's a collector of various equipment and his gym on Kauai (a side business, he's in the oil business and is loaded) isn't big enough to house all the machines he has so he also has quite a collection at his home and also some he donated to a YMCA in another state that he travels to a lot of business. He even imported a whole line of "David" equipment from Germany. Really state of the art stuff and very high end. I can only imagine what he paid for the line of machines not to mention the shipping and trucking costs. Some guys collect guns, he collects high-end exercise machines. I've even considered moving to Kauai just to train at his gym (also Kauai is beautiful and I have family there).

He was a serious competitor in his twenties and through his early forties. As all bbers from his generation, he cut his teeth exclusively on free weights with the calf, leg extension and leg curl --and maybe the Smith machine being exceptions. There are some movements that simply can't be done effectively using just free weights.

While in his early fifties he decided to turn it up again and see if he could improve on an already advanced competition level physique. Using only machines and following a modified HIT program, high intensity/low volume, he added an additional twenty-five pounds of muscle. Again this was on an already advanced physique, using only machines, and in his fifties.

Although I believe that good machines based on the designs of Arthur Jones are superior to free weights, I am not as extreme as Basile and Ergo who both seem to be anti-free weights. Even Jones recognized the usefulness of free weights. Ergo has stated that, despite decades of squatting, he now believes it is the worse compound movement anybody can do.

Agree or disagree, the results are there. Again, this guy is in his mid fifties when these pics were taken. Machine only training on an already advance physique.



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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #96 on: January 06, 2019, 03:27:25 AM »
no reason to avoid free weights altogether, throw in a couple of sets of dumbbell curls in there

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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #97 on: January 06, 2019, 03:29:33 AM »
You guys might remember David Feathers who use to post as "Ergo" on this board. He now has a youtube thing going where he features all the machines he owns, which is quite extensive. He's a collector of various equipment and his gym on Kauai (a side business, he's in the oil business and is loaded) isn't big enough to house all the machines he has so he also has quite a collection at his home and also some he donated to a YMCA in another state that he travels to a lot of business. He even imported a whole line of "David" equipment from Germany. Really state of the art stuff and very high end. I can only imagine what he paid for the line of machines not to mention the shipping and trucking costs. Some guys collect guns, he collects high-end exercise machines. I've even considered moving to Kauai just to train at his gym (also Kauai is beautiful and I have family there).

He was a serious competitor in his twenties and through his early forties. As all bbers from his generation, he cut his teeth exclusively on free weights with the calf, leg extension and leg curl --and maybe the Smith machine being exceptions. There are some movements that simply can't be done effectively using just free weights.

While in his early fifties he decided to turn it up again and see if he could improve on an already advanced competition level physique. Using only machines and following a modified HIT program, high intensity/low volume, he added an additional twenty-five pounds of muscle. Again this was on an already advanced physique, using only machines, and in his fifties.

Although I believe that good machines based on the designs of Arthur Jones are superior to free weights, I am not as extreme as Basile and Ergo who both seem to be anti-free weights. Even Jones recognized the usefulness of free weights. Ergo has stated that, despite decades of squatting, he now believes it is the worse compound movement anybody can do.

Agree or disagree, the results are there. Again, this guy is in his mid fifties when these pics were taken. Machine only training on an already advance physique.



That guy is juiced to the gills plus built his mass originally with free weights.

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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #98 on: January 06, 2019, 03:39:57 AM »
That guy is juiced to the gills plus built his mass originally with free weights.

I knew someone would say this and just ignore what I tried so clearly to articulate so I'll repeat: he was a competitive bber so he was always juiced. Yes, he built a lot of mass originally with free weights, that's why I was very specific in stating that he put on an ADDITIONAL twenty five pounds of muscle on an ALREADY advance physique while in his early fifties using just machines.

It's like when people claim that Mentzer built his mass originally with free weights when it is blindingly clear that he got bigger when he started training with Arthur Jones.

And if you want to make the argument that Ergo simply took more drugs in his fifties than when he was competing, the point is was that he stopped using free weights completely for various reasons (injuries and joints being some of them) and added additional muscle mass training exclusively on machines. You can add muscle using just machines and max out your potential using just machines.

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Re: Machines vs. Free Weights
« Reply #99 on: January 06, 2019, 03:47:01 AM »
no reason to avoid free weights altogether, throw in a couple of sets of dumbbell curls in there

Dumbbell curls would definitely be one of the movements I would not do for biceps as machines provide full range rotary style resistance which is how your joints move. With the dumbbell curl, you only get direct bicep resistance when your forearm is parallel to the floor as free weights provide resistance only in a downward plane. Same with dumbbell laterals. The Nautilus-style side delt machine is vastly superior. Something like a dumbbell/barbell shoulder presses would provide full range resistance and is worth doing with free weights. Also, Romanian style deadlift is a very practical movement as picking up things is something you do in real life.