High reps for muscle hypertrophy?

[SF1900]

My doctor has not said this to me. But then, it's pretty obvious he doesn't lift. So, I wouldn't believe him if he did. 

What's more, I don't follow directions all that well.

Clearly, exercising in any capacity where you tax the muscle, whether 2-5 reps or 20-30 reps, will be healthy and positive for the individual. Obviously, if done correctly. But, as stated, this applies to middle aged men or older, who just want to stay fit and healthy.

Obviously, a world class athlete (e.g., powerlifter, WSM, olympic lifter) is going to train totally different.

[Vince B]

You don't have to an expert to know that at 60, you shouldn't lift heavy poundage like you did when you were 20 (even in relative terms).

Again, the amount of powerlifters with joint problems, proves it.

Now, does EVERY powerlifter have joint problems? Of course not. But, as we age, our body inevitably changes, thus our workouts need to change as well.

The words of someone who knows bugger all about training or ageing.

[Primemuscle]

U grow from the heart outwards, trying to grow from your dick or your bicept wont work

There is burning the muscle like leg extension n theres growing the body with sqwats

One thing I know for sure is I've been completely unsuccessful at growing my dick. -Any advice?

[SF1900]

The words of someone who knows bugger all about training or ageing.

And, yet, I still have better looking arms than you, even when you did drugs in your early days. 

Funny how that works out, huh? 

[Marty Champions]

One thing I know for sure is I've been completely unsuccessful at growing my dick. -Any advice?

are you trying to grow out your wang?

[SF1900]

The one thing that I will say, is that its really all about genetics. Rep range doesn't matter.

Shoulders are my best bodypart. No matter what I do for them, high rep, low reps, moderate reps, they grow.

Chest is my weak area, and no matter what I do for them, high rep, low reps, moderate reps, they are extremely stubborn to grow.

Really, I don't think rep range really matters if the genetic potential is there to grow, the bodypart will grow. The same with machines vs free weights--does not matter.

[Primemuscle]

What is the test of truth for theories re hypertrophy? I doubt any science has been done that we would benefit from...that is, long term hypertrophy on advanced bodybuilders.

In the vacuum resulting from the lack of research exist all manner of gurus and experts. Broscience has evolved to the absurd. Eg., Do what works! It is all genetics and drugs.

Clearly everyone here is an expert. No doubt about that whatsoever.

Excuse me, but you come across as someone who believes they are an expert when it comes to bodybuilding. Broscience has been around forever. Most of us have listened to it and even tried what was suggested. Eventually, we figure out what works for ourselves at any given time.

[SF1900]

Excuse me, but you come across as someone who believe they are an expert when it comes to bodybuilding. Broscience has been around forever. Most of us have listened to it and even tried what was suggested. Eventually, we figure out what works for ourselves at any given time.

He is the furthest thing from an expert.

He won Mr. Canada because he rigged his own contest by picking the judges.

[Primemuscle]

are you trying to grow out your wang?

Yes...ever since I learned how to use it and that was an extremely longtime ago. Bigger balls would be great too. I'm thinking this will happen in my next life or I'll be a girl and have big tits and ass.   

[robcguns]

Yes...ever since I learned how to use it and that was an extremely longtime ago. Bigger balls would be great too. I'm thinking this will happen in my next life or I'll be a girl and have big tits and ass.   

The fuck you want bigger balls for?

[Primemuscle]

The fuck you want bigger balls for?

Why not? I'm a visual person. So are a lot of other folks. Filling out a 'thong' is ego boosting and it gets you noticed. Hey, were all bodybuilders here...right?  Isn't bigger always better? 

[Primemuscle]

He is the furthest thing from an expert.

He won Mr. Canada because he rigged his own contest by picking the judges.

You didn't catch the hint of sarcasm in my response to Vince? -Guess it was just too subtle. In my experience, people who act like their an expert usually aren't, including me.

[robcguns]

Why not? I'm a visual person. So are a lot of other folks. Filling out a 'thong' is ego boosting and it gets you noticed. Hey, were all bodybuilders here...right?  Isn't bigger always better? 

I don’t know,my balls always get in the way and sometimes I sit on them.Bigger would be very annoying I think.

[Vince B]

Excuse me, but you come across as someone who believes they are an expert when it comes to bodybuilding. Broscience has been around forever. Most of us have listened to it and even tried what was suggested. Eventually, we figure out what works for ourselves at any given time.

You are 100% wrong here. Very few individuals 'figure out what works'. That is why very few get huge. They blame the lack of genetics or drug use or both. Truth is no one here knows anything about anyone's genetics including their own.

After decades lifting weights most have no clue what works. Read this thread and see for yourself. Broscience = ignorance.

[Hypertrophy]

You are 100% wrong here. Very few individuals 'figure out what works'. That is why very few get huge. They blame the lack of genetics or drug use or both. Truth is no one here knows anything about anyone's genetics including their own.

After decades lifting weights most have no clue what works. Read this thread and see for yourself. Broscience = ignorance.

Vince- with all your knowledge and decades of experience, why do you look below average in muscle mass and above average in body fat? Is it because 1) You don’t train anymore 2) Your body doesn’t respond to training or 3) Your theories are wrong?

[SF1900]

Vince- with all your knowledge and decades of experience, why do you look below average in muscle mass and above average in body fat? Is it because 1) You don’t train anymore 2) Your body doesn’t respond to training or 3) Your theories are wrong?

It is likely all 3.

[Primemuscle]

You are 100% wrong here. Very few individuals 'figure out what works'. That is why very few get huge. They blame the lack of genetics or drug use or both. Truth is no one here knows anything about anyone's genetics including their own.

After decades lifting weights most have no clue what works. Read this thread and see for yourself. Broscience = ignorance.

Knowing one's genetic limitations is different from blaming them for something you're not and can never be. I say do the best you can with what you have to work with, accepting that which you cannot change. Otherwise, you are destined to be disappointed in yourself.

No matter how much I wanted, I am never going to be 6'2" tall unless I employ stilts. I did manage to get my weight up to 225 lbs for a minute from a onetime adult low of 140. I did it with my then doctor's recommendation for and provision of weekly testosterone injections and daily D-bol doses plus working out. No doubt, I was carrying around some (too much fat). Today I weighed 170 lbs. and I gladly accept this because I am very likely healthier than I would have been had I continued with the fantasy of looking like my friend who was a big muscular, inspirational dude and workout partner/trainer.

As I see it, broscience is little more than sharing what works for ourselves and may not work for others because everyone responses differently to various stimuli. It is neither good nor is it bad and the intentions of those telling us what works for them is usually honorable.  

[oldtimer1]

Even though the discussion is high reps vs low reps this has all the ear marks of a volume vs HIT debate.  One thing for sure. We have a lot of training theories and few facts. I don't discount bro science. Empirical knowledge gained through a life time of training is not to be dismissed. One thing for sure. I rarely take advice from steroid users. If you expertise is so great why do you look like crap off the assist? 

My experience with high reps has to do with muscle memory. I have found that in those times in my life where I have gotten out of shape high reps seems to reactivate muscle memory than diving into sets of 4 or 6.  A couple of weeks or a  month of high reps seems to be the best method of getting my poundage up as a break in period before going to lower reps. Track athletes follow a somewhat similar model. A miler might do 100 mile weeks of distance in the off season but as the season approaches it becomes more intense. Then it's all intervals like 10 x 400 meters  or 8 x 800 meters.

[LurkerNoMore]

There was just a thread on here couple weeks ago regarding Rory and his 100 rep method. 

You really won't know if it (or any other kind of training program) will work if you don't make an honest go at it and stick with it for a couple of months.

[Vince B]

There was just a thread on here couple weeks ago regarding Rory and his 100 rep method. 

You really won't know if it (or any other kind of training program) will work if you don't make an honest go at it and stick with it for a couple of months.

Why are people still trying different things? That means they don't know how to keep the muscles growing.

This discussion isn't specific enough to get anything useful from it. The reps are only one part of the hypertrophy process.

The number of reps isn't a sufficient condition for hypertrophy.

Many things work for average to poor results....few work for maximum growth. That is what should be discussed.

[The Scott]

Why are people still trying different things? That means they don't know how to keep the muscles growing.

This discussion isn't specific enough to get anything useful from it. The reps are only one part of the hypertrophy process.

The number of reps isn't a sufficient condition for hypertrophy.

Many things work for average to poor results....few work for maximum growth. That is what should be discussed.

Train with whatever manner that proves productive to you until for whatever reason it no longer is.  Then switch to something else that does the trick and stay with that until, you guessed it, it no longer proves productive.    Life is a never ending sticking  point and what goes around eventually comes back around. 

Consistency is key and one can employ H.I.T. with high reps.  When I train that way I simply work one set per exercise with a weight that serves not only as a warm up but given enough reps it will become the working set.  Maybe two or three exercises done this way (i.e., a single set each) per body part.  With the reps going from 20 to 100 and sometimes less.

It's not broscience, it's exercise and unlike being bitter over a needlessly complicated machine and a theory on hypertrophy,  it can be productive.

[Vince B]

Train with whatever manner that proves productive to you until for whatever reason it no longer is.  Then switch to something else that does the trick and stay with that until, you guessed it, it no longer proves productive.    Life is a never ending sticking  point and what goes around eventually comes back around. 

Consistency is key and one can employ H.I.T. with high reps.  When I train that way I simply work one set per exercise with a weight that serves not only as a warm up but given enough reps it will become the working set.  Maybe two or three exercises done this way (i.e., a single set each) per body part.  With the reps going from 20 to 100 and sometimes less.

It's not broscience, it's exercise and unlike being bitter over a needlessly complicated machine and a theory on hypertrophy,  it can be productive.

Broscience personified. Well done.

[Coach is Back!]

Welcome to the Vince Basile family hour

[SF1900]

Vince B is the biggest dolt on this forum.

[tres_taco_combo]

do you wanna add size to arms? do feeders everyday and for 3 months and report bacK - Everyday