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Re: Send your kids to trade school
« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2019, 02:43:38 PM »
What morons like you fail to understand is not everyone wants or can be a doctor, nurse, social worker etc. Some humans have talents for working with their hands and others are good with numbers or abstract concepts, writings etc. It is absolutely moronic to think everyone can go to college.

We actually need  more plumbers, electricians, carpenters, factory workers etc. People that know how to make shit and fix shit.

Fact is "Universities" are breeding grounds for anti-white, self hating regressive left professors. They are useless. White kids will be better off skipping that brainwashing hatred of themselves completely. I know lots of guys that never went to college that are financially much better off than their friends that went to college to obtain a useless degree. They have homes, pensions, earn a good salary, get health care etc. Many people with fancy degrees don't have pensions.

Factory workers are becoming obsolete. I'm not sure we need more of them standing in the unemployment line. Many people don't have pensions regardless of their occupation.  building trades people are often subcontractors and as such, it is unlikely they have pensions. Just curious, are you college educated? You talk like you know how things work in a college environment. This usually requires first hand experience.

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« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2019, 04:53:42 PM »
Prime,

Distribution and warehousing are today's equivalent to manufacturing jobs.  There's plenty of them.  Don't pay as much as unionized machine workers would/do make, but there's plenty of them.

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Re: Send your kids to trade school
« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2019, 04:58:13 PM »
you cant expect jay cutler to run his warehouse by himself (eventhough it looks like he is a lot of the time on youtube)


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« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2019, 05:39:50 PM »
you cant expect jay cutler to run his warehouse by himself (eventhough it looks like he is a lot of the time on youtube)



I love when he talks about the "expansion" of his company.  He moved it outta his garage, and rented what looks to be a former auto repair garage business.  Expansion and re-location are not the same.

Are you as shocked as I am that all his vids seem to have 10k+ views?  The only ones I've ever watched thru are with that Dr. from Cali.  Really good info. I actually inquired about being a patient, but IIRC it's $800 just for initial consultation and then like $400 just to have him monitor bloodwork every 6 months....no meds included.  Fuck that! Other than that it's click....."oh, he's just gonna talk about himself again...nevermind"...exit. :(

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« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2019, 05:48:35 PM »
We still need roofers, electricians, plumbers, HVAC, framers, ironworkers, Ditch diggers, contractors, heavy equipment operators, farmers, etc etc etc. careers like this need to be pushed more not less and not demeaned by the left and looked down on.

We have illegals to do all that

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Re: Send your kids to trade school
« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2019, 09:18:22 PM »
We have illegals to do all that

Oh I see. So you’re saying others besides Illegals are too good for blue collar work?

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Re: Send your kids to trade school
« Reply #56 on: February 10, 2019, 09:56:27 PM »
Prime,

Distribution and warehousing are today's equivalent to manufacturing jobs.  There's plenty of them.  Don't pay as much as unionized machine workers would/do make, but there's plenty of them.

Aren't many Amazon distribution people sub-contracting?

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« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2019, 01:26:18 PM »
Aren't many Amazon distribution people sub-contracting?

I asked the guy that delivered my last shipment of Six Star Whey, and he said he was an actual employee but he thought there were others that were 1099ers.  Working in their distribution center would absolutely be direct employees.  I think they'd have a really hard time getting people to work in their warehouse on a 1099 basis.  If a person got hurt, who would they go after for worker's comp?  Not to mention the fact it would be hard to hold anyone to a schedule.

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« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2019, 03:42:41 PM »
I asked the guy that delivered my last shipment of Six Star Whey, and he said he was an actual employee but he thought there were others that were 1099ers.  Working in their distribution center would absolutely be direct employees.  I think they'd have a really hard time getting people to work in their warehouse on a 1099 basis.  If a person got hurt, who would they go after for worker's comp?  Not to mention the fact it would be hard to hold anyone to a schedule.

Maybe I used the wrong term. By distribution personnel, I meant delivery drivers, not warehouse or distribution center employees. I'm waiting for the time when a drone delivers me a product. That would be so cool. It would need to be small enough to fit under my front porch.


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« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2019, 05:51:07 PM »
Maybe I used the wrong term. By distribution personnel, I meant delivery drivers, not warehouse or distribution center employees. I'm waiting for the time when a drone delivers me a product. That would be so cool. It would need to be small enough to fit under my front porch.



The delivery guy I asked = Amazon delivery driver (Amazon company vans)

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« Reply #60 on: February 13, 2019, 04:56:40 AM »
College is rapidly becoming a waste of time. When everyone has a degree, nobody does. It's becoming the new high school diploma. Many places won't even hire you if don't have a college diploma because they prize their worthless major diploma so dearly. Too many kids are graduating with no means of employment with their degree in serious debt from student loans. I told my kids to if their college degree doesn't have their occupation printed on the diploma then they wasted their time. Two of them are doing amazing following my advice. One didn't. He let the drummer of his band decide his major but while he started on the bottom rung he is rapidly advancing and none of it is due to college.

We have welders, electricians, plumbers and many other trades like counter top guys making well over 100K with no student loan debt. The Vietnam nail salon guy in town drives to work in a 7 series BMW when he doesn't take his new Acura MDX SUV. The pizza store owner lives on the water in a very expensive house. Meanwhile the car rental place near my house won't employ you to rent cars unless you have a college degree. A college degree to work the cash register?  

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« Reply #61 on: February 13, 2019, 04:59:58 AM »
Factory workers are becoming obsolete. I'm not sure we need more of them standing in the unemployment line. Many people don't have pensions regardless of their occupation.  building trades people are often subcontractors and as such, it is unlikely they have pensions. Just curious, are you college educated? You talk like you know how things work in a college environment. This usually requires first hand experience.

Factory workers are obsolete? Tell that to China. Because of their slave wage labor and our horrific trade deals China is stealing our wealth and building a massive military off the theft. Hopefully these trade deals will be rectified and manufacturing will come back to the US. When I was a kid the factory next to me employed men who owned a house and took care of a family on their factory jobs.

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Re: Send your kids to trade school
« Reply #62 on: February 13, 2019, 09:42:11 AM »
Factory workers are obsolete? Tell that to China. Because of their slave wage labor and our horrific trade deals China is stealing our wealth and building a massive military off the theft. Hopefully these trade deals will be rectified and manufacturing will come back to the US. When I was a kid the factory next to me employed men who owned a house and took care of a family on their factory jobs.

you've answered your own question.. slave labor. Hell even china is outsourcing their manufacturing jobs to africa

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« Reply #63 on: February 13, 2019, 11:34:41 AM »
College is rapidly becoming a waste of time. When everyone has a degree, nobody does. It's becoming the new high school diploma. Many places won't even hire you if don't have a college diploma because they prize their worthless major diploma so dearly. Too many kids are graduating with no means of employment with their degree in serious debt from student loans. I told my kids to if their college degree doesn't have their occupation printed on the diploma then they wasted their time. Two of them are doing amazing following my advice. One didn't. He let the drummer of his band decide his major but while he started on the bottom rung he is rapidly advancing and none of it is due to college.

We have welders, electricians, plumbers and many other trades like counter top guys making well over 100K with no student loan debt. The Vietnam nail salon guy in town drives to work in a 7 series BMW when he doesn't take his new Acura MDX SUV. The pizza store owner lives on the water in a very expensive house. Meanwhile the car rental place near my house won't employ you to rent cars unless you have a college degree. A college degree to work the cash register?  
I agree with you on these companies that require college degrees for work that could be given to high school kids. All of these new graduates with worthless degrees walk around with puffed out chests because they just graduated with their Gender Studies degree.  It's sad that smart kids who want to get right to work can't get in these companies or ever get promoted because they don't have a worthless degree.

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Re: Send your kids to trade school
« Reply #64 on: February 13, 2019, 02:50:33 PM »
Mr. Vince Goodrum, CSN, MFT, HPP, CEO, is a testament of the success one could obtain with a college degree.
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« Reply #65 on: February 13, 2019, 03:15:59 PM »
The delivery guy I asked = Amazon delivery driver (Amazon company vans)
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Hmm, maybe they do things differently in different locations. I've received items from Amazon via USPS and Amazon delivery partners, as well as Amazon van drivers.

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Re: Send your kids to trade school
« Reply #66 on: February 13, 2019, 03:20:34 PM »
In practical terms, I agree with you 100%.

The problem really comes down to an old adage.
Everyone wants to be a chief and nobody wants to be an indian.

For example, my dear old buddy Bix ( posts here sometimes) is a master electrician.
Had his own business and made a decent living...when he worked hard.
As he got older, he dreaded crawling under houses and climbing on  roofs.

Jobs , even skilled ones that include manual labor are tough, tedious work.
Like old Rocky told the guy in the employment office who advised him to keep prize fighting ;

"You ever get punched in the face 100x ? It starts to sting after awhile.
I'd like to make aliving sitting down now, ya know, like you over there."

Telling someone to do a tough labor intensive job is like telling 'em to go fight in a war.
It sounds good...as long as the OTHER guy is doing it.




The point is to get to a supervisory position by the time you get older so you don’t have to do the dirty work anymore.

You should send your kids to trade school if they have an aptitude for the trade and like it. Most of your soft liberal types would not last a day as an assistant plumber or on a construction site.

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Re: Send your kids to trade school
« Reply #67 on: February 13, 2019, 03:42:58 PM »
College is rapidly becoming a waste of time. When everyone has a degree, nobody does. It's becoming the new high school diploma. Many places won't even hire you if don't have a college diploma because they prize their worthless major diploma so dearly. Too many kids are graduating with no means of employment with their degree in serious debt from student loans. I told my kids to if their college degree doesn't have their occupation printed on the diploma then they wasted their time. Two of them are doing amazing following my advice. One didn't. He let the drummer of his band decide his major but while he started on the bottom rung he is rapidly advancing and none of it is due to college.

We have welders, electricians, plumbers and many other trades like counter top guys making well over 100K with no student loan debt. The Vietnam nail salon guy in town drives to work in a 7 series BMW when he doesn't take his new Acura MDX SUV. The pizza store owner lives on the water in a very expensive house. Meanwhile the car rental place near my house won't employ you to rent cars unless you have a college degree. A college degree to work the cash register?  

If some employers won't hire anyone who doesn't have a bachelor's degree, college isn't a waste of time, it's a pretty much a necessity unless you plan on self-employment only. This is too bad since getting a four year degree is expensive. Teachers are expected to get a master's degree and yet they aren't particularly well paid. Many of the trades people I've worked with have college degrees, although I'm not sure why they need them. Do you know for sure that the pizza store owner and the fellow who works as a manicurist do not have college degrees?

How do you know none of your son's success in his work has nothing to do with his having a degree?

Without a doubt there are better school systems in other countries such a Germany which offers many different options most of them at no tuition costs. http://www.ukgermanconnection.org/german-school-system

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« Reply #68 on: February 13, 2019, 03:47:35 PM »
The liberal arts part of college is a waste of time and money. If you want to read English literature, just read English literature. Why do you have to go to college to do this?

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« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2019, 03:54:00 PM »
I really disliked taking all the prerequisites, as I did not find many of them useful for my degree. I eventually graduated with a Media degree with a minor in Archaeology.

Granted, I work at Auto Zone now, but I am still glad I got the degree.
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« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2019, 03:56:24 PM »
Factory workers are obsolete? Tell that to China. Because of their slave wage labor and our horrific trade deals China is stealing our wealth and building a massive military off the theft. Hopefully these trade deals will be rectified and manufacturing will come back to the US. When I was a kid the factory next to me employed men who owned a house and took care of a family on their factory jobs.

Some believe that automation has negatively impacted the amount manpower needed to produce the products.

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« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2019, 04:00:11 PM »
I agree with you on these companies that require college degrees for work that could be given to high school kids. All of these new graduates with worthless degrees walk around with puffed out chests because they just graduated with their Gender Studies degree.  It's sad that smart kids who want to get right to work can't get in these companies or ever get promoted because they don't have a worthless degree.

Anyone who walks around with a puffed out chest just because they have a college degree, has a problem.

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Re: Send your kids to trade school
« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2019, 04:04:38 PM »
The point is to get to a supervisory position by the time you get older so you don’t have to do the dirty work anymore.



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« Reply #73 on: February 13, 2019, 04:04:48 PM »
The point is to get to a supervisory position by the time you get older so you don’t have to do the dirty work anymore.

You should send your kids to trade school if they have an aptitude for the trade and like it. Most of your soft liberal types would not last a day as an assistant plumber or on a construction site.

Nonsense. Becoming a successful journeyman trades person has nothing to do with one's politics or views. It has everything to do with their innate skills and ambition.

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« Reply #74 on: February 13, 2019, 04:09:28 PM »
The liberal arts part of college is a waste of time and money. If you want to read English literature, just read English literature. Why do you have to go to college to do this?

The Top Highest Paying Liberal Arts Degree Jobs - based on 2015 figures.

1. Economist
Of the liberal arts disciplines, the field with the most potential for compensation close to the better paid professions like finance, law, medicine, or technology, Economics is the highest performer. Graduates with an undergraduate degree in the subject will find hiring on the traditional job market easier. Economics majors have opportunity for advancement in corporate, government, or nonprofit accounting, finance, sales and analyst functions. Graduate degree holders in economics, generally find the same opportunities for hire as a Master of Business Administration. Economists with a PhD are also highly valued in the policy and research fields, and as consultants to the insurance and legal fields where econometric modeling is required to evaluate liability. Annual salary: $40,000 to $200,000.

2. Archeologist
Qualifications as an Archaeologist represent a unique set of skills, making demand high for professionals with geological and traditional archeological training. Scientific testing of archeological sites is critical to the commission of energy projects, as well as land developer compliance audit with environmental and soil regulations in instances of burial ground or other substantial archeological site. Forensic archeologists conduct the recovery, testing and cataloging of artifacts and human remains for storage or transport. Traditional archeologists may also work on behalf of a museum or university in the reconstruction of a history of a people or environmental event. Professional archaeologists require a graduate degree to advance as professionals. Annual salary: $40,000 to $171,000.

3. Sociologist
The study of social groups, their cultures, institutions, and organizations is the provenance of the Sociologist. The field is acknowledged as a Renaissance discipline, so that when sociologists conduct research ethnographies, they may examine the origins, behaviors and interactions of a social group for in-depth analysis of economic, political or religious insights. Sociological research often contributes to social policy formation. The dual focus on qualitative and quantitative or statistical analysis in the discipline, makes this sociology good preparation for a role as a faculty, or in service to government or nonprofit agencies, as well as market research. Annual salary: $55,000 to $97,000.

4. Psychologist
Liberal arts training in psychology is offered a most university institutions at the PhD level. Psychologists may also be employed as faculty or professional researchers engaged in studying behavioral patterns, through testing, procedures and analysis of scientific outcomes toward development of evidence based practice models of treatment. Professionals desiring to work as licensed counselors, clinical, or research psychologists must complete a graduate degree in the subject. Annual salary: $67,000 to $90,000.

5. Public Relations Specialist
Responsible for the brand identity or celebrity of a clients, Public Relations Specialists work on behalf of a corporation or public figure in coordination with reporters to increase visibility and performance of a communications strategy. Critical to the sustained confidence of investor support Public Relations Specialists, promote a client’s image by way of multi-scale marketing strategies and professional public relations campaigns. Public Relations Specialist require Bachelor of Arts degree in advertising, communications, journalism, or public relations. Those desiring managerial positions should pursue a graduate degree. Annual salary: $ 40,000 to $73,000.

6. Human Resources Specialists
Organizational performance begins with human assets. The innovation of human resource management (HRM) systems approaches to the recruitment, training, motivation, and retention of company’s top talent requires sophisticated training in the field of Human Resources. A degree in human resources also prepares a candidate for leadership in an organization. Working in coordination with executive management, Human Resource Directors are responsible for the development of strategic compensation and benefit plans, procedures, policies, and training. Human resources specialists require a Bachelor of Arts or Master of Arts degree in human resources, or related field such as business administration, labor relations, personnel administration, or behavioral sciences. Annual salary: $42,000 to $72,000.

7. Graphic Designer or Artist
The commercial demand for Graphic Design has expanded the opportunity for students graduating from Graphic Arts degree programs. Engaged in the design, analysis, and production of visual images for advertising, marketing, products and services collateral, Graphic Designers and Artists use software applications or hand drawn sketches for a range of promotional materials and other aesthetic purposes. Animation, illustration, photographs, prints, and text incorporation of images created by Graphic Designers and Artists add value to any publication. Professionals entering the job market from an undergraduate degree program will find a variety of opportunities available, including digital game design. Graduates with a degree will have more opportunity as executives in related fields such as museum curatorial. Annual salary: $33,000 to $65,000.

8. Writer
Preparation of manuscripts, articles, books, and stories, for journals, magazines, newspapers, radio, television, and we content by professional writers illustrates the breadth of expertise in information and knowledge development that English majors and other liberal arts scholars offer. Some writers work as reporters, conducting research, holding interviews, report facts, and develop concepts for application of findings. Writers may also generate content for advertisements, websites and a host of other new media channels of information. Technical writers are in hot demand, writing for scientific and technology organizations in the creation of instructional manuals. Master of Fine Arts, and those with a degree in Communications, Journalism will be the most sought after. Annual salary: $57,000 to $65,000.

9. Social Worker
The front line case managers locating resources to help individuals, families or groups of people to access assistance programs, counseling, career training, housing, or substance abuse treatment, Social Workers have an important obligation to clients. Social Workers require a Bachelor degree. Graduates with a Master degree in human services, psychology, or sociology and National Association of Social Workers certification are qualified for managerial roles in the field. Annual salary: $37,000 to $56,000.

10. Teacher
Education in the arts, language, sciences, and social sciences is required for a professional career as a teacher. Liberal arts programs offer teachers in training the knowledge they require to pass subject matter exams. Teaching requires a Bachelor degree. Graduate level teachers candidates receive higher compensation due to institutional ranking. Annual salary: $47,000 to $52,000.